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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#601 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:52 pm

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dsg2021 wrote:I had a relatively boring Saturday, I spent too much time in-between things to imagine targets for the Magic. I looked at like 6+ bigs with even names like Moussa Diabate in the mix. In the end, I had more trouble than I cared to admit to find an upgrade over our jack of all trades, master of none Wendell Carter Jr.

My research roundabout did yield two things so far though.

1) h
I am much higher on Nic Claxton than before. Giving him a concerted look longer than 30 minutes (due to the mentions in here as well), he seems to be one of the elite bigs built for even perimeter defense switching, with gaudy rebounding and blocks at times. Like can you imagine trying to score on this Magic defense with Claxton as the starting 5 and then Isaac coming in for him. I think Claxton has had hot-head antics before, but I don't mind that fire, if he can stay on the floor.
His biggest problem is he will make the Magic's offense worse. He has zero range and he is a legitimate Hack-a-Shaq option. My reasoning for ORL still potentially chasing him is simple. Certain Playoffs series and games might dictate which of our bigs can get away with their weaknesses and should be the closer. As in, Mo Wagner was starting to get a near 23 PER this past season before his injury. He is the offensive 5. Isaac is the blend of someone who can impact defense like Claxton sometimes but not be a complete liability from any range of shooting or the FT line. Remember, if you take a pencil and scratch out JI's last season of shooting, he is still a viable shooter. But it's scary to commit a trade package to Claxton when we are already talking about games where Mo or JI might have to close over Claxton.

2)
With so many entanglements such as looking at NBA.com boxscore play-by-play videos of bigs and commentary articles on defense, NAW showed up on my computer screen again. Open this NY Times article and catch a segment on NAW.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6266788/2025/04/11/nba-all-defense-perimeter-thunder-timberwolves/
Yep, the Magic need to roll out a red carpet for him at 6:01 PM EST on June 30th, the first minute for Free Agency pitches. And Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Bane should even be there. I don't know how often the Magic will have a 14 mil MLE moving forward, so this is becoming a big deal moment for the team.


Yes, it s very hard to find a big that fit our team better than WCJ, I like Claxton but I don't think he d fit our offensive scheme

As for NAW, I m not sure management will pull the trigger on spending the full mle

However I could see us trading Jett+25 to Brooklyn for 27 (or 35) if we are 100% sure that NAW is our missing piece

Suggs, AB,cojo
Bane, NAW,harris
Franz, TDS, Houstan
P5,ji, Moe
WCJ,goga,#35 (or 27)


the LAST variable I'm considering in trade visions is preserving our existing offensive scheme. Honestly, it's not easy to find a C that can switch like WCJ, but his participation in the offense has been negligible...We've just added so much offensive "proactivity" and firepower in Bane, that I'd be more than satisfied relegating the C to offensive boards and following drivers for lobs & dropoffs. Which also means a C who is content with that...Claxton really fits, imo...and we'd have the same financial certainty for a few years that we value with our whole core now.

Mose is clearly a defense-first coach, so with respect to that, he's got his man to man defensive scheme and players with significant roles and paychecks should fit that...I think that's where Goga, for all of his ability, doesn't really work well enough. He might be much better elsewhere. I think it's also why Isaac at C is always under consideration - even if it hasn't really worked. I think Claxton is the closest thing to an Isaac who plays C (and is healthy).
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#602 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 12:54 pm

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cedric76 wrote:
dsg2021 wrote:I had a relatively boring Saturday, I spent too much time in-between things to imagine targets for the Magic. I looked at like 6+ bigs with even names like Moussa Diabate in the mix. In the end, I had more trouble than I cared to admit to find an upgrade over our jack of all trades, master of none Wendell Carter Jr.

My research roundabout did yield two things so far though.

1) h
I am much higher on Nic Claxton than before. Giving him a concerted look longer than 30 minutes (due to the mentions in here as well), he seems to be one of the elite bigs built for even perimeter defense switching, with gaudy rebounding and blocks at times. Like can you imagine trying to score on this Magic defense with Claxton as the starting 5 and then Isaac coming in for him. I think Claxton has had hot-head antics before, but I don't mind that fire, if he can stay on the floor.
His biggest problem is he will make the Magic's offense worse. He has zero range and he is a legitimate Hack-a-Shaq option. My reasoning for ORL still potentially chasing him is simple. Certain Playoffs series and games might dictate which of our bigs can get away with their weaknesses and should be the closer. As in, Mo Wagner was starting to get a near 23 PER this past season before his injury. He is the offensive 5. Isaac is the blend of someone who can impact defense like Claxton sometimes but not be a complete liability from any range of shooting or the FT line. Remember, if you take a pencil and scratch out JI's last season of shooting, he is still a viable shooter. But it's scary to commit a trade package to Claxton when we are already talking about games where Mo or JI might have to close over Claxton.

2)
With so many entanglements such as looking at NBA.com boxscore play-by-play videos of bigs and commentary articles on defense, NAW showed up on my computer screen again. Open this NY Times article and catch a segment on NAW.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6266788/2025/04/11/nba-all-defense-perimeter-thunder-timberwolves/
Yep, the Magic need to roll out a red carpet for him at 6:01 PM EST on June 30th, the first minute for Free Agency pitches. And Paolo, Franz, Suggs, and Bane should even be there. I don't know how often the Magic will have a 14 mil MLE moving forward, so this is becoming a big deal moment for the team.


Yes, it s very hard to find a big that fit our team better than WCJ, I like Claxton but I don't think he d fit our offensive scheme

As for NAW, I m not sure management will pull the trigger on spending the full mle

However I could see us trading Jett+25 to Brooklyn for 27 (or 35) if we are 100% sure that NAW is our missing piece

Suggs, AB,cojo
Bane, NAW,harris
Franz, TDS, Houstan
P5,ji, Moe
WCJ,goga,#35 (or 27)


the LAST variable I'm considering in trade visions is preserving our existing offensive scheme. Honestly, it's not easy to find a C that can switch like WCJ, but his participation in the offense has been negligible...We've just added so much offensive "proactivity" and firepower in Bane, that I'd be more than satisfied relegating the C to offensive boards and following drivers for lobs & dropoffs. Which also means a C who is content with that...Claxton really fits, imo...and we'd have the same financial certainty for a few years that we value with our whole core now.

Mose is clearly a defense-first coach, so with respect to that, he's got his man to man defensive scheme and players with significant roles and paychecks should fit that...I think that's where Goga, for all of his ability, doesn't really work well enough. He might be much better elsewhere. I think it's also why Isaac at C is always under consideration - even if it hasn't really worked. I think Claxton is the closest thing to an Isaac who plays C (and is healthy).


I guess I could catch the irony of my own comment and say "Well if all we want from the Center is switchy defense and ANY offense is a bonus - why not just roll with WCJ?"...reasonable, if he'd just show he can be relied upon for availability and consistent effort. He really did look good against BOS...and that's without Suggs or Bane.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#603 » by AdamTheGreek » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:27 pm

Claxton failed his auditions last season. He’s not worth his contact (decreasing, but still $25 mil. next season). Wendell, Mo, and Goga are all more stable and better values than him.
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Post#604 » by VFX » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:35 pm

jezzerinho wrote:Goga for Dosunmu straight up.

JI for Bogi straight up

Jett plus srp for Filipowski

Bench:

Dosunmu
Bogi
Black
TdS
Filipowski
Moe


I'd love the Dosunmu move.

Ayo is the perfect combo guard skillset to fill in at either spot and he's also the right timeframe.
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#605 » by Knightro » Sun Jun 22, 2025 3:58 pm

I think Ayo stinks

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Post#606 » by VFX » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:09 pm

Knightro wrote:I think Ayo stinks

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Who do you like as a realistic acquirable option via trade?
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Re: Official 2025-2026 Magic Trade ideas thread 

Post#607 » by Knightro » Sun Jun 22, 2025 4:55 pm

VFX wrote:
Knightro wrote:I think Ayo stinks

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Who do you like as a realistic acquirable option via trade?


For Goga specifically or just in general?

I’m probably more inclined to keep Goga and use the MLE on a guard/wing.
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Post#608 » by VFX » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:05 pm

Knightro wrote:
VFX wrote:
Knightro wrote:I think Ayo stinks

¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Who do you like as a realistic acquirable option via trade?


For Goga specifically or just in general?

I’m probably more inclined to keep Goga and use the MLE on a guard/wing.


More in general.

Yeah, Im not too into the idea of moving Goga or letting Moe walk. I think they both have very good value here in different ways.

I'd sooner move Carter or Isaac based on what the team is lacking currently. People put too much emphasis on Carter's ability to "stretch the floor" its so overtly overstated as an ability its gotten ridiculous to be honest. I just dont think they can justify spending that much on front court players with where the back court is currently.

But yeah... more generally not just MLE talk or draft talk. Trades that balance the roster.
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Post#609 » by Knightro » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:20 pm

VFX wrote:
Knightro wrote:
VFX wrote:
Who do you like as a realistic acquirable option via trade?


For Goga specifically or just in general?

I’m probably more inclined to keep Goga and use the MLE on a guard/wing.


More in general.

Yeah, Im not too into the idea of moving Goga or letting Moe walk. I think they both have very good value here in different ways.

I'd sooner move Carter or Isaac based on what the team is lacking currently. People put too much emphasis on Carter's ability to "stretch the floor" its so overtly overstated as an ability its gotten ridiculous to be honest. I just dont think they can justify spending that much on front court players with where the back court is currently.

But yeah... more generally not just MLE talk or draft talk. Trades that balance the roster.


There’s a scenario that exists to me where the only trade they “need” to make is unloading Jett’s salary to be able to retain Moritz.

BPA at 25 and 46
Decline Moritz
Use the MLE
Punt Jett
Resign Moritz for Jett’s salary

The only potential hiccup is Moritz not being on board with a salary at that level.
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Post#610 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:42 pm

#1
*Decline CoJo, Harris, Houstan, Moe to access MLE
ORL sends: #25 & #46, 2 future srps
BOS sends: Hauser (into MLE-$10m), 28 & 32…I wonder if there’s anything we could do with them…they need to trim salary.

#2
ORL sends: Goga, Jett
LAC sends: Bogdan Bogdanovic

Re-up Moe $8 x 3y, draft Fleming & Kalkbrenner & Nembhard (#57)

WCJ, Kalkbrenner, (Moe)
Paolo, Isaac, Fleming
Franz, TdS, Hauser
Suggs, AB, Hauser
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Post#611 » by VFX » Sun Jun 22, 2025 5:49 pm

Knightro wrote:
VFX wrote:
Knightro wrote:
For Goga specifically or just in general?

I’m probably more inclined to keep Goga and use the MLE on a guard/wing.


More in general.

Yeah, Im not too into the idea of moving Goga or letting Moe walk. I think they both have very good value here in different ways.

I'd sooner move Carter or Isaac based on what the team is lacking currently. People put too much emphasis on Carter's ability to "stretch the floor" its so overtly overstated as an ability its gotten ridiculous to be honest. I just dont think they can justify spending that much on front court players with where the back court is currently.

But yeah... more generally not just MLE talk or draft talk. Trades that balance the roster.


There’s a scenario that exists to me where the only trade they “need” to make is unloading Jett’s salary to be able to retain Moritz.

BPA at 25 and 46
Decline Moritz
Use the MLE
Punt Jett
Resign Moritz for Jett’s salary

The only potential hiccup is Moritz not being on board with a salary at that level.


Yeah I think I'd rather move Jett and one of Carter or Isaac for an actual player rather than either relying on the MLE, the draft, or assuming Moe takes more than a 50% paycut. That's just me though.
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Post#612 » by OnlyFranz22 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 6:33 pm

Sorry if it was already posted…..

The Magic offered Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, and two first-round picks to the Bulls for Coby White, per @LockedOnBulls

I’m guessing they wanted AB
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Post#613 » by VFX » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:36 pm

OnlyFranz22 wrote:Sorry if it was already posted…..

The Magic offered Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, and two first-round picks to the Bulls for Coby White, per @LockedOnBulls

I’m guessing they wanted AB


It’s been posted. Nobody believes it even though similar packages were offered for Fox before he chose San Antonio involving AB as well.

If anything, it tells me Isaac is on the block because he’s been mentioned in a few rumored trades now.
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Post#614 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:41 pm

VFX wrote:
OnlyFranz22 wrote:Sorry if it was already posted…..

The Magic offered Cole Anthony, Jonathan Isaac, and two first-round picks to the Bulls for Coby White, per @LockedOnBulls

I’m guessing they wanted AB


It’s been posted. Nobody believes it even though similar packages were offered for Fox before he chose San Antonio involving AB as well.

If anything, it tells me Isaac is on the block because he’s been mentioned in a few rumored trades now.


Weltman said other teams have called on Isaac (among others)...teams talk, it's only a topic here when someone posts it. ORL was (allegedly) talking to CHI at the TD about Simons (EDIT: COBY)- that was, if I recall correctly, the only actual conversation "leaked". I don't doubt they talked...I doubt it's as simple as "ORL offered this and CHI hung up"...there may have been all kinds of pick protections, conditions, extensions discussed. I would think that Coby's reluctance to sign an extension at whatever the % raise it was limited to would be the big breaking point...Weltman clearly values the fact that Bane is locked up - even at a very high rate - and Coby, Simons, Sexton, CJ, Reaves were all financial wildcards at a time when ORL can't afford to play.
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Post#615 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:42 pm

I hope Suggs and Black have good seasons. I think the future move is trading Suggs for a young prospect, a future pick, and a MLE type player.

Most of the league will have cap space next season to absord Suggs' contract. We could sign Black to an extension starting at around $15m per season.

If Minnesota has cap next year. DDV, Dillingham, and pick for Suggs.

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Post#616 » by VFX » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:49 pm

basketballRob wrote:I hope Suggs and Black have good seasons. I think the future move is trading Suggs for a young prospect, a future pick, and a MLE type player.

Most of the league will have cap space next season to absord Suggs' contract. We could sign Black to an extension starting at around $15m per season.

If Minnesota has cap next year. DDV, Dillingham, and pick for Suggs.

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This only happens if this season is an abysmal failure and the offense doesn’t improve drastically.
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Post#617 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:51 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I hope Suggs and Black have good seasons. I think the future move is trading Suggs for a young prospect, a future pick, and a MLE type player.

Most of the league will have cap space next season to absord Suggs' contract. We could sign Black to an extension starting at around $15m per season.

If Minnesota has cap next year. DDV, Dillingham, and pick for Suggs.

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This only happens if this season is an abysmal failure and the offense doesn’t improve drastically.
It could happen to stay under the second apron next season and beyond.

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Post#618 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 7:55 pm

I honestly think we could get the #10 pick from PHX if we offered WCJ/#25/future seconds but not sure what that really accomplishes.
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Post#619 » by TyMagic23 » Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:37 pm

With Phoenix having a multitude of Guards, now is time to strike. JI for Royce O'Neal. Some other pieces may need to happen for salaries, but both teams would be better with this move
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Post#620 » by axl_c_cool » Sun Jun 22, 2025 8:39 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:I honestly think we could get the #10 pick from PHX if we offered WCJ/#25/future seconds but not sure what that really accomplishes.


Could probably get it for Bitadze and keep the #25 and offer a 2nd round pick. Haven’t checked their roster though for who we’d take back
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