Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Knightro]

Garland in 95 minutes against the Pacers. 12 assists, 12 turnovers, 13 PFs. He was Cole-level of bad.

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He was hurt and shouldn't have been playing. He only came back and played because they lost the first two games and were desperate.

[basketballRob]

Garland in 95 minutes against the Pacers. 12 assists, 12 turnovers, 13 PFs. He was Cole-level of bad.

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He was hurt and shouldn't have been playing. He only came back and played because they lost the first two games and were desperate.

Comparing Garland at 24 to Cole at 24. Looking at the per 36 and Bpm and Garland looks marginally better. If Cole was on the Cavs he would've shot way better.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

I keep hearing the Magic are in need of shooting...

Magic are in win now mode. Wizards are building for the future, acquiring draft picks/prospects & moving vets...

Would you consider dealing KCP + pick 25 for Corey Kispert + Sadiq Bey?

Kispert was Suggs' college teammate, and both Kispert & Bey are solid vets who know them roles & ready to contribute now & add solid 3pt shooting. Note Bey missed last season due to ACL, but has fully recovered & ready to play and played some G league games end of season, could of returned to Wizards but they were out of it and tanking so no point in him playing, but he had been a full participant in practice for a while and all accounts looked great so he's good to go.

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I would! what would it take to get AJ Johnson too? (WAS has a load of young PGs with Poole in front of them and maybe another high-level guard at #6)

AJ is the type of upside prospect they're currently trying to accumulate. Bub Carrington & AJ are PG/combo G for the future. They're much more likely to move on from Poole and/or Smart.

[Knightro]

Comparing Garland at 24 to Cole at 24. Looking at the per 36 and Bpm and Garland looks marginally better. If Cole was on the Cavs he would've shot way better.

https://stathead.com/basketball/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=perchoice&player_id1=anthoco01&p1yrfrom=2025&p1yrto=2025&player_id2=garlada01&p2yrfrom=2024&p2yrto=2024

This is just nonsense stuff, Rob.

You've picked the most ridiculous hill of all time to die on here.

Garland broke his jaw during the 23-24 season. Not only did he miss a month, but he also lost 15 lbs because his jaw was wired shut.

It negatively impacted the rest of his season.

[Knightro]

BPM is a very flawed stat and should not be cited so loosey goosey as justification for one player being better than another.

Especially when it comes to how they actually "track" defensive performance, specifically defensive rebounding.

[Idiosyncratic]

I keep hearing the Magic are in need of shooting...

Magic are in win now mode. Wizards are building for the future, acquiring draft picks/prospects & moving vets...

Would you consider dealing KCP + pick 25 for Corey Kispert + Sadiq Bey?

Kispert was Suggs' college teammate, and both Kispert & Bey are solid vets who know them roles & ready to contribute now & add solid 3pt shooting. Note Bey missed last season due to ACL, but has fully recovered & ready to play and played some G league games end of season, could of returned to Wizards but they were out of it and tanking so no point in him playing, but he had been a full participant in practice for a while and all accounts looked great so he's good to go.

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I personally would not pay 25 to turn Caldwell-Pope into two worse players. Maybe if his contract was a year longer, but it runs the same length as theirs. When I look at what shooters signed for last offseason and what they will sign for this offseason, I can't say Kispert should have much value. Bey is a decent flyer who has just been a guy for his career and is now coming off of a major injury.

I don't hate the idea of adding Kispert for very little, but a deal like this wouldn't make sense IMO.

[Knightro]

AJ is the type of upside prospect they're currently trying to accumulate. Bub Carrington & AJ are PG/combo G for the future. They're much more likely to move on from Poole and/or Smart.

I actually think the Magic would potentially have some interest in Poole. Especially if the cost in terms of picks would be minimal.

Like...

KCP, Cole, two 2nds for Poole?

Something like that?

[Knightro]

KCP and Cole for Poole would actually lower the Magic's total salary commitments for 25-26 by $2.87M

But it would increase their total salary commitments for 26-27 by $12.4M.

[Idiosyncratic]

AJ is the type of upside prospect they're currently trying to accumulate. Bub Carrington & AJ are PG/combo G for the future. They're much more likely to move on from Poole and/or Smart.

I actually think the Magic would potentially have some interest in Poole. Especially if the cost in terms of picks would be minimal.

Like...

KCP, Cole, two 2nds for Poole?

Something like that?

I would do this. I think some Wizards fans are really hoping for a 1st for Poole though, not sure that happens. This saves the Wizards money the next year and we have some interesting 2nds we could toss their way (Pelicans swaps, Bucks 2nds, I think we even have a Wizards 2nd)

[Skybox]

KCP and Cole for Poole would actually lower the Magic's total salary commitments for 25-26 by $2.87M

But it would increase their total salary commitments for 26-27 by $12.4M.

and, I presume, no picks attached?

If so, that's worth discussing...as a Plan B or C, but still worth discussing, imo. We would still have a LOT of draft equity this year and, especially, next to work with to upgrade the rest of the lineup AND maybe make some financially-motivated moves.

[Knightro]

KCP and Cole for Poole would actually lower the Magic's total salary commitments for 25-26 by $2.87M

But it would increase their total salary commitments for 26-27 by $12.4M.

and, I presume, no picks attached?

If so, that's worth discussing...as a Plan B or C, but still worth discussing, imo. We would still have a LOT of draft equity this year and, especially, next to work with to upgrade the rest of the lineup AND maybe make some financially-motivated moves.

No first round picks attached, no.

I'd be willing to kick in multiple 2nd rounders.

[Skybox]

KCP and Cole for Poole would actually lower the Magic's total salary commitments for 25-26 by $2.87M

But it would increase their total salary commitments for 26-27 by $12.4M.

and, I presume, no picks attached?

If so, that's worth discussing...as a Plan B or C, but still worth discussing, imo. We would still have a LOT of draft equity this year and, especially, next to work with to upgrade the rest of the lineup AND maybe make some financially-motivated moves.

No first round picks attached, no.

I'd be willing to kick in multiple 2nd rounders.

Call it in Let's get the Paolo/Franz "meet and greet/PnR Germany" summer camp on the books.

[89Magicfan]

Yall might love Poole’s highlights but you’re going to loathe what you don’t see.

[Idiosyncratic]

Thoughts on Poole

- Not a particularly good all-around player, but neither are Simons/Sexton. Like them, he gives us a look at something we need desperately and maybe we can hide the defense. With Poole we only have to pay him for 2 years and can reevaluate, as opposed to potentially signing those guys to bad longterm contracts.

- If he costs what he should cost, we keep our picks and can develop guards behind him to hopefully take over in two years. Look at guys like Traore, Clayton and Jase in the draft. You have one of those guys and AB on the bench and maybe one develops to be a starter in two years. If not they may be looking at big trades by that point anyway depending on how this team fares in the playoffs.

-Michigan

[Knightro]

KCP/Cole for Poole would subtly leave the Magic light at the guard spots assuming Harris and Joseph are both waived to get them under the aprons.

I guess they could resign either guy for the minimum. Plus they would have their two first round picks still.

But maybe they think a little bigger and actually use their MLE? Ty Jerome? Tyus Jones? Dennis Schroder? Nickeil Alexander-Walker?

[TGW]

Nope. As annoying as Poole is, at least he has potential to put up massive scoring numbers. KCP and Anthony are just overpaid junk at this point.

[Knightro]

Yall might love Poole’s highlights but you’re going to loathe what you don’t see.

Believe me, I'm *terrified* that Poole - who already has a history of knucklehead tendencies - has potentially gone completely off the rails playing for a pure tanking Wizards team the last two years.

But I keep going back to his last two years in Golden State where they had a team that was trying to win with veterans who could keep him in line and he was a very effective scorer.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

KCP/Cole for Poole would subtly leave the Magic light at the guard spots assuming Harris and Joseph are both waived to get them under the aprons.

I guess they could resign either guy for the minimum.

But maybe they think a little bigger and actually use their MLE? Ty Jerome? Tyus Jones? Dennis Schroder? Nickeil Alexander-Walker?

Wouldn’t hate this route either. It’s wild how many paths we have available to improve this roster.

[VFX]

KCP/Cole for Poole would subtly leave the Magic light at the guard spots assuming Harris and Joseph are both waived to get them under the aprons.

I guess they could resign either guy for the minimum.

But maybe they think a little bigger and actually use their MLE? Ty Jerome? Tyus Jones? Dennis Schroder? Nickeil Alexander-Walker?

Wouldn’t hate this route either. It’s wild how many paths we have available to improve this roster.

As much as I’ve disliked Poole’s game I genuinely think he could be had for a lot cheaper and opens up other guard spots for some interesting options.

I’d rather roll the dice on another young-ish guard rather than just going for a huge home run at a large expense. Depth matters and Orlando needs to get rid of a bunch of scrubs.

[basketballRob]

I'm not stats, but Poole's handle reminds me of Haliburton.

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