Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[RichCollab]

Yall might love Poole’s highlights but you’re going to loathe what you don’t see.

Believe me, I'm *terrified* that Poole - who already has a history of knucklehead tendencies - has potentially gone completely off the rails playing for a pure tanking Wizards team the last two years.

But I keep going back to his last two years in Golden State where they had a team that was trying to win with veterans who could keep him in line and he was a very effective scorer.

Golden State had Curry to keep him in check. No way we will be able to replicate that. Curry welcomes tough personalities. Green and Butler.

[OrlChamps2030]

Thoughts on Poole

- Not a particularly good all-around player, but neither are Simons/Sexton. Like them, he gives us a look at something we need desperately and maybe we can hide the defense. With Poole we only have to pay him for 2 years and can reevaluate, as opposed to potentially signing those guys to bad longterm contracts.

- If he costs what he should cost, we keep our picks and can develop guards behind him to hopefully take over in two years. Look at guys like Traore, Clayton and Jase in the draft. You have one of those guys and AB on the bench and maybe one develops to be a starter in two years. If not they may be looking at big trades by that point anyway depending on how this team fares in the playoffs.

-Michigan

Surprised it took this long lol, the Michigan connection feels like the elephant in the room

If no picks are being exchanged, Poole is an interesting pickup. I prefer Simons (much better shooter), but Poole can go off and there is no looming extension to worry about.

[basketballRob]

Thoughts on Poole

- Not a particularly good all-around player, but neither are Simons/Sexton. Like them, he gives us a look at something we need desperately and maybe we can hide the defense. With Poole we only have to pay him for 2 years and can reevaluate, as opposed to potentially signing those guys to bad longterm contracts.

- If he costs what he should cost, we keep our picks and can develop guards behind him to hopefully take over in two years. Look at guys like Traore, Clayton and Jase in the draft. You have one of those guys and AB on the bench and maybe one develops to be a starter in two years. If not they may be looking at big trades by that point anyway depending on how this team fares in the playoffs.

-Michigan

Surprised it took this long lol, the Michigan connection feels like the elephant in the room

If no picks are being exchanged, Poole is an interesting pickup. I prefer Simons (much better shooter), but Poole can go off and there is no looming extension to worry about.

Exactly. If it doesn't work out, his contract is off the books in 2 years. If Orlando is a 50+ win team next season with him in the rotation, his value will go through the roof.

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[Knightro]

Poole did shoot 37.8% from 3PT this year on heavy volume (9.1 3PTA per game, 14.8 3PTA/100).

If that's what he's going to be moving forward, it would change the calculus a little bit certainly.

[Skybox]

Building on Knightro's : (BTW-I caught a LOT of ish for my time in the Poole party - this is all about me cleansing my history )

#1...
WCJ, Jett, and ORL 26 frp (w/likely lottery rights) to UTA for Kessler, Cody Williams, Kyle Filipowski and #21
*Williams & Jett are a "disappointment for disappointment" swap, with Cody having more upside and less evidence against. Ainge trades out of modest but good players for another shot at great with next year's ORL swap. WCJ is a solid, versatile player to work with for years or move again at some point. Kessler could be a foundation piece, but he's an elite, but limited role player and is up for an extension-it shouldn't be TOO much, but Ainge prefers to drop back into the tank given that he doesn't have anyone to build around (w/Kessler supporting-like ORL does).

#2...
KCP, Cole, #21, #25, and two future 2nds to WAS for #18, Poole

#3...
Goga and Caleb to LAL for Gabe Vincent (expiring vet rotation PG - long-term money saver, immediate CoJo upgrade)

*Decline & extend Moe (3yr x $8m), decline Harris' and CoJo's options. Might even let Moe go-at least for now while dust settles.

ORL selects Cedric Coward at #16 and Rasheer Fleming at #18 (two massive upside defenders & maybe more offensively)


Kessler, Filipowski, Isaac (Moe)
Paolo, Isaac, Filipowski, Fleming
Franz, TdS, Coward
Suggs, AB, Williams
Poole, Vincent, AB

Multiple young, long, multi-position guys on rookie deals that could pop...young vet starting lineup that should contend in East. Development arc of youth brigade will determine when and if ORL contends for rings.
-Fleming could ultimately become Isaac's replacement with better shooting and without minutes limitations
-Coward should be, at worst, a better Isaac Okoro depth defender, but has Kawhi-style versatility and upside
-Kessler is like a young Gobert...hopefully, his offensive limitations offset any expectation of a payday beyond $20m per
-Filipowski is a very skilled, intelligent big...not athletically gifted but will be a rotation player in the league for a decade+
-Cody Williams is off to a rough NBA start, but (I hate to make the comp) has poor man's JayWill versatility and good positional size
-AB is AB...Vincent, imo, is at worst a Goga salary dump but should be a viable CoJo replacement with more offensive upside. AB should take his job.

[Skybox]

Yall might love Poole’s highlights but you’re going to loathe what you don’t see.

Believe me, I'm *terrified* that Poole - who already has a history of knucklehead tendencies - has potentially gone completely off the rails playing for a pure tanking Wizards team the last two years.

But I keep going back to his last two years in Golden State where they had a team that was trying to win with veterans who could keep him in line and he was a very effective scorer.

Golden State had Curry to keep him in check. No way we will be able to replicate that. Curry welcomes tough personalities. Green and Butler.

I'll take my chances with the mental strength of Mose, Suggs, and Paolo as team leaders, regardless of age...Paolo's got that "gravity" vibe for sure.

Might be another reason to get Jingles back as 13th man or even as an Assistant Coach to just attach to Poole specifically, but all of the kids

[cedric76]

Monk could be a nice upgrade on Cole too


monk for Cole+Jett+ 25 + SRP

Sac wants a FRP

[Knightro]

Monk could be a nice upgrade on Cole too


monk for Cole+Jett+ 25 + SRP

Sac wants a FRP

Monk has more point guard skills than Simons, Poole or Sexton IMO.

[Idiosyncratic]

Monk could be a nice upgrade on Cole too


monk for Cole+Jett+ 25 + SRP

Sac wants a FRP

Yeah I think I outright prefer Monk to Sexton/Simons. He's pretty good and had a very nice playoff series. Contract is appropriate value.

Really only has two great years shooting the 3 I guess would be the knock on him, but I think he should bounce back a bit in that regard.

I guess my question would be are the Kings going to actually rebuild and if not they may still swap Monk, but may look for a better fitting player in a deal for him.

[cedric76]

Monk could be a nice upgrade on Cole too


monk for Cole+Jett+ 25 + SRP

Sac wants a FRP

Monk has more point guard skills than Simons, Poole or Sexton IMO.

I think so too, I wanted monk badly last summer, he decided to take a pay cut to stay with his best buddy fox, now that fox is gone he could ask out

[cedric76]

Monk could be a nice upgrade on Cole too


monk for Cole+Jett+ 25 + SRP

Sac wants a FRP

Yeah I think I outright prefer Monk to Sexton/Simons. He's pretty good and had a very nice playoff series. Contract is appropriate value.

Really only has two great years shooting the 3 I guess would be the knock on him, but I think he should bounce back a bit in that regard.

I guess my question would be are the Kings going to actually rebuild and if not they may still swap Monk, but may look for a better fitting player in a deal for him.

They want FRPs this year and we have 2

[VFX]

If I had to rank them…

1A. Reaves (27)
1B. Simons (25)
2. Poole (25)
3a. Monk (27)
3b. Sexton (26)

Reaves isn’t a solid #1 because of the cost he would require to land him. His contract will absolutely be larger than it is now. I don’t really think he works unless Weltman makes a zillion other moves. I almost don’t even view him as a real option.

Simons is 2 years younger despite having some glaring weaknesses. I think his contract can be friendlier in a year. Hes from Orlando and has the skillset they need.

Poole has two year left on his deal and is also still only 25. He has Michigan ties and his contract can be restructured.

Monk can be had for lesser assets probably. Hes older and less upside than any of these other guys. Hes an option you can’t acquire to move off bad deals plus a pick.

Sexton is probably the last option considering the role but he still has upside and shouldn’t cost a lot. More upside than Monk but lower floor.

[cedric76]

If I had to rank them…

1A. Reaves (27)
1B. Simons (25)
2. Poole (25)
3a. Monk (27)
3b. Sexton (26)

Reaves isn’t a solid #1 because of the cost he would require to land him. His contract will absolutely be larger than it is now. I don’t really think he works unless Weltman makes a zillion other moves.

Simons is 2 years younger despite having some glaring weaknesses. I think his contract can be friendlier in a year.

Poole has two year left on his deal and is also still only 25. He has Michigan ties and his contract can be restructured.

Monk can be had for lesser assets probably. Hes older and less upside than any of these other guys. Hes an option you can’t acquire to move off bad deals plus a pick.

Sexton is probably the last option considering the role but he still has upside and shouldn’t cost a lot. More upside than Monk but lower floor.

1A. Reaves (27) - no because it ll cost to much to retain him
1B. Simons (25) - only if he is willing to extend for less than 25 M per
2. Poole (25) - no because of bbiq and contract
3a. Monk (27) - yes
3b. Sexton (26) - only if he is willing to extend for less than 20 m per

[otownflava21]

Orlando Trades:

Cole Anthony
Anthony Black
#16 Pick

Atlante Trades:

Trae Young


PG: Young/ Joseph/ McClung/ #57 Pick (would use on most experienced and NBA ready defensive PG available)
SG: Suggs/ Pope/ Howard/ Queen
SF: Franz/ Da Silva/ Houstan
PF: Banchero/ Isaac/ #25 Pick (would use on most experienced and NBA ready offensive PF available)
C: Carter/ Moe/ Goga

Although we are relatively weak defensively at the Point Guard position according to the depth chart, Suggs can easily switch with Trae to guard the better opposing team's guard, and also KCP can step in and play Shooting Guard when Trae goes to the bench and Suggs plays spot Point Guard minutes solidifying our defense on both guards. If Young gets injured, Suggs can step in and start as the Point Guard alongside KCP. Young just elevates this team so much offensively with his passing and as an outside shooting threat that Banchero and Franz will have field days getting to the paint against almost any team. Hopefully Trae finds good chemistry with one of our Centers for alley-oops.

Atlanta now has a primary guard rotation of Black, Daniels, Anthony and Mann with the expectations that Cole rejuvenates his offense and Black blossoms with the full-time PG duties especially defensively alongside Daniels. That would be a scary opposing backcourt for any team with Black's expected progression. Then Atlanta hires a defensive coach who is preferably a former Point Guard.

Obviously, the biggest downfall for this trade would be the cap and the Apron. The Magic organization would have to have the cojones to really go all in and have the belief that this team has the potential to be an NBA Finals team within the next 2 years.

[VFX]

If I had to rank them…

1A. Reaves (27)
1B. Simons (25)
2. Poole (25)
3a. Monk (27)
3b. Sexton (26)

Reaves isn’t a solid #1 because of the cost he would require to land him. His contract will absolutely be larger than it is now. I don’t really think he works unless Weltman makes a zillion other moves.

Simons is 2 years younger despite having some glaring weaknesses. I think his contract can be friendlier in a year.

Poole has two year left on his deal and is also still only 25. He has Michigan ties and his contract can be restructured.

Monk can be had for lesser assets probably. Hes older and less upside than any of these other guys. Hes an option you can’t acquire to move off bad deals plus a pick.

Sexton is probably the last option considering the role but he still has upside and shouldn’t cost a lot. More upside than Monk but lower floor.

1A. Reaves (27) - no because it ll cost to much to retain him
1B. Simons (25) - only if he is willing to extend for less than 25 M per
2. Poole (25) - no because of bbiq and contract
3a. Monk (27) - yes
3b. Sexton (26) - only if he is willing to extend for less than 20 m per

Reaves isn’t really an option. I’m adding him here if Weltman made more moves to get off money. Doubtful Magic can even acquire him.

Most of these targets come with the caveat that Weltman isn’t making only one cost cutting decision. Some combination of KCP, Isaac,Cole, and Goga would have to be moved somehow.

[RichCollab]

If I had to rank them…

1A. Reaves (27)
1B. Simons (25)
2. Poole (25)
3a. Monk (27)
3b. Sexton (26)

Reaves isn’t a solid #1 because of the cost he would require to land him. His contract will absolutely be larger than it is now. I don’t really think he works unless Weltman makes a zillion other moves. I almost don’t even view him as a real option.

Simons is 2 years younger despite having some glaring weaknesses. I think his contract can be friendlier in a year. Hes from Orlando and has the skillset they need.

Poole has two year left on his deal and is also still only 25. He has Michigan ties and his contract can be restructured.

Monk can be had for lesser assets probably. Hes older and less upside than any of these other guys. Hes an option you can’t acquire to move off bad deals plus a pick.

Sexton is probably the last option considering the role but he still has upside and shouldn’t cost a lot. More upside than Monk but lower floor.

No Derrick White or Coby White?

[VFX]

If I had to rank them…

1A. Reaves (27)
1B. Simons (25)
2. Poole (25)
3a. Monk (27)
3b. Sexton (26)

Reaves isn’t a solid #1 because of the cost he would require to land him. His contract will absolutely be larger than it is now. I don’t really think he works unless Weltman makes a zillion other moves. I almost don’t even view him as a real option.

Simons is 2 years younger despite having some glaring weaknesses. I think his contract can be friendlier in a year. Hes from Orlando and has the skillset they need.

Poole has two year left on his deal and is also still only 25. He has Michigan ties and his contract can be restructured.

Monk can be had for lesser assets probably. Hes older and less upside than any of these other guys. Hes an option you can’t acquire to move off bad deals plus a pick.

Sexton is probably the last option considering the role but he still has upside and shouldn’t cost a lot. More upside than Monk but lower floor.

No Derrick White or Coby White?

Not real options.

Value is too high and money is too high. Reaves barely even makes this list for the same reasons.

[Audi]

Something to also consider with Simons - he and Paolo may have another untapped level to their scoring that they can unlock for each other. Simons was ranked close to dead bottom in shot quality. According to Blazers fans, while he can take some boneheaded shots on occasion, this has far more to do with the fact he shoulders so much of the burden to make something out of nothing, often receiving bail out passes from teammates with 3 seconds on the clock. Likewise, we’ve got Paolo who has a tendency to take low quality shots, typically due to the fact that he’s so heavily guarded by opposing defenses because they can sag off the perimeter.

So you’ve got Simons, who is a proven shooter with very high on and off ball gravity that should be even better with the benefit of better shot quality. You’ve also got Paolo, who would benefit from better shot quality coming with the spacing a true shooting threat from deep would deliver. Benefit would be for the whole LU on the floor, obviously, but the fact Paolo and Simons are ranked so poorly on shot quality while seemingly being each other’s antidote is certainly worth consideration.

[Redick07]

Orlando Trades:

Cole Anthony
Anthony Black
#16 Pick

Atlante Trades:

Trae Young


PG: Young/ Joseph/ McClung/ #57 Pick (would use on most experienced and NBA ready defensive PG available)
SG: Suggs/ Pope/ Howard/ Queen
SF: Franz/ Da Silva/ Houstan
PF: Banchero/ Isaac/ #25 Pick (would use on most experienced and NBA ready offensive PF available)
C: Carter/ Moe/ Goga

Although we are relatively weak defensively at the Point Guard position according to the depth chart, Suggs can easily switch with Trae to guard the better opposing team's guard, and also KCP can step in and play Shooting Guard when Trae goes to the bench and Suggs plays spot Point Guard minutes solidifying our defense on both guards. If Young gets injured, Suggs can step in and start as the Point Guard alongside KCP. Young just elevates this team so much offensively with his passing and as an outside shooting threat that Banchero and Franz will have field days getting to the paint against almost any team. Hopefully Trae finds good chemistry with one of our Centers for alley-oops.

Atlanta now has a primary guard rotation of Black, Daniels, Anthony and Mann with the expectations that Cole rejuvenates his offense and Black blossoms with the full-time PG duties especially defensively alongside Daniels. That would be a scary opposing backcourt for any team with Black's expected progression. Then Atlanta hires a defensive coach who is preferably a former Point Guard.

Obviously, the biggest downfall for this trade would be the cap and the Apron. The Magic organization would have to have the cojones to really go all in and have the belief that this team has the potential to be an NBA Finals team within the next 2 years.

Are you serious??

1st, the salary doesn’t match: Cole(13m), Black(7.5m). Trae Young(46m)…..

2nd, Hawks will never do that stupid thing…

If we want to get Trae Young, we must include multiple FRPs and also match the salary. Something like:

Black(7.5m), Isaac(25m before 7/1), Jett(5.5m), Harris(7.5m) and 3-4 FRPs for Young

[Skybox]

If I had to rank them…

1A. Reaves (27)
1B. Simons (25)
2. Poole (25)
3a. Monk (27)
3b. Sexton (26)

Reaves isn’t a solid #1 because of the cost he would require to land him. His contract will absolutely be larger than it is now. I don’t really think he works unless Weltman makes a zillion other moves.

Simons is 2 years younger despite having some glaring weaknesses. I think his contract can be friendlier in a year.

Poole has two year left on his deal and is also still only 25. He has Michigan ties and his contract can be restructured.

Monk can be had for lesser assets probably. Hes older and less upside than any of these other guys. Hes an option you can’t acquire to move off bad deals plus a pick.

Sexton is probably the last option considering the role but he still has upside and shouldn’t cost a lot. More upside than Monk but lower floor.

1A. Reaves (27) - no because it ll cost to much to retain him
1B. Simons (25) - only if he is willing to extend for less than 25 M per
2. Poole (25) - no because of bbiq and contract
3a. Monk (27) - yes
3b. Sexton (26) - only if he is willing to extend for less than 20 m per

Reaves isn’t really an option. I’m adding him here if Weltman made more moves to get off money. Doubtful Magic can even acquire him.

Most of these targets come with the caveat that Weltman isn’t making only one cost cutting decision. Some combination of KCP, Isaac,Cole, and Goga would have to be moved somehow.

I like your list and I'd consider which would take back KCP as factors in any comps for trade value....as opposed to expiring Cole, etc

That could be the difference, imo, to the value of the attached pick equity.

SAC has so much scoring with Lavine and DDR, they might really prefer a defensive slugger like KCP (along with Devin Carter) to complete their guard rotation.

ORL sends: KCP, #25
SAC sends: Monk, Lyles (re-signed $5m x 3yr)

wonder if that'd do it.