Elf traded to Phoenix for second rounder

[Optimus_Steel]

Sentinel comes hard at Payton yesterday.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-orlando-magic-improved-defense-0327-story.html

Something has changed with the Orlando Magic over their last 20 games.

Their defense, one of the NBA’s worst for most of the season, has improved — improved enough to call itself above-average.

Statistics say so.

Over their first 53 games, the Magic ranked 27th in the NBA in points allowed per possession, according to the league’s figures.

But since Feb. 8, a period that accounts for almost one-quarter of a season, the Magic have ranked 13th.

Perhaps the biggest argument Vogel has in his favor is that he inherited a subpar roster, including a starting point guard, Elfrid Payton, who struggled mightily on defense throughout his four-year NBA career and was especially vulnerable guarding pick-and-rolls. The Magic traded Payton on Feb. 8, and his absence no doubt has contributed to the Magic’s defensive improvement.

I'm wary of taking much of substance in these post trade deadline stats. The season has been over since mid December and alot of teams are taking too or not even trying at this time of the year. With that said, Elfrid is a beyond horrible defender and there is no excuse, he just does not understand defense.

[Furinkazan]

so often insulted here Skiles was right about Payton? oh what a surprise

[Optimus_Steel]

so often insulted here Skiles was right about Payton? oh what a surprise

Skiles was not right about everything but he was adamant about Payton and he turned out to be right in that one.

[OrlandO]

so often insulted here Skiles was right about Payton? oh what a surprise

I'd pay to hear his unfiltered comments about Payton's hair...

[Furinkazan]

one thing leads to another he wanted other pg but was forced by RH to play Elf...then in act of desperation he got Jennings corpse

on one side a former Skiles player but also a player who was a dead corpse already and would likely still be outplayed by his beloved Elfrid

[MagicFan101]

I was really high on Elf his first year or so here. I saw what he could become. Unfortunately, not only did he fail to make the necessary improvements but it appeared to me as if his effort was falling off. Or maybe passion is a better term. He was still running around out there and putting up stats but he didn’t look like the passionate kid I saw in his rookie year.

I remained hopeful but gave up defending him quite a while ago.

Shame.

[p0peye]

so often insulted here Skiles was right about Payton? oh what a surprise

Henny got fired and Payton traded for 2nd rounder. I can only imagine how vindicated Skiles feels now.

We got 35 wins out of that one season with him though. Looks like we're not reaching that number anytime soon.

[J the Drafter]

Screw Skiles. He cost us Tobias, and quit on the team when things got tough.

[MagicFan101]

Screw Skiles. He cost us Tobias, and quit on the team when things got tough.

At lease he did one nice thing for us before quitting then.

[Furinkazan]

Skiles wasnt perfect but as a point guard himslef he knew what he was talking about
I actually would take his word regarding to opinion about other point guards esp ones playing under him

[tiderulz]

Screw Skiles. He cost us Tobias, and quit on the team when things got tough.

At lease he did one nice thing for us before quitting then.

yes, because this team sure couldnt use a decent SF right now

[MagicFan101]

Screw Skiles. He cost us Tobias, and quit on the team when things got tough.

At lease he did one nice thing for us before quitting then.

yes, because this team sure couldnt use a decent SF right now

We could use a lot of things. Unless it’s a potential star I don’t want to pay over a rookie salary for anyone... especially a should be 6th man.

Every single team he goes to quickly says “eh, no thanks.” When will people here accept that he is nothing to get excited over or cry over losing?

[tiderulz]

At lease he did one nice thing for us before quitting then.

yes, because this team sure couldnt use a decent SF right now

We could use a lot of things. Unless it’s a potential star I don’t want to pay over a rookie salary for anyone... especially a should be 6th man.

Every single team he goes to quickly says “eh, no thanks.” When will people here accept that he is nothing to get excited over or cry over losing?

you want to call him a 6th man. He has been playing very well as a starting SF.

[OrlandoDream]

Read on Twitter

Thanks for the second PHX. Anybody who defends Payton beyond this point needs to be on antipsychotics

[PennytoShaq]

Sentinel comes hard at Payton yesterday.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-orlando-magic-improved-defense-0327-story.html

Something has changed with the Orlando Magic over their last 20 games.

Their defense, one of the NBA’s worst for most of the season, has improved — improved enough to call itself above-average.

Statistics say so.

Over their first 53 games, the Magic ranked 27th in the NBA in points allowed per possession, according to the league’s figures.

But since Feb. 8, a period that accounts for almost one-quarter of a season, the Magic have ranked 13th.

Perhaps the biggest argument Vogel has in his favor is that he inherited a subpar roster, including a starting point guard, Elfrid Payton, who struggled mightily on defense throughout his four-year NBA career and was especially vulnerable guarding pick-and-rolls. The Magic traded Payton on Feb. 8, and his absence no doubt has contributed to the Magic’s defensive improvement.

I'm wary of taking much of substance in these post trade deadline stats. The season has been over since mid December and alot of teams are taking too or not even trying at this time of the year. With that said, Elfrid is a beyond horrible defender and there is no excuse, he just does not understand defense.

I literally was saying this stuff 3 months ago and people argued that he was fine at defense.

[pepe1991]

Sentinel comes hard at Payton yesterday.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-orlando-magic-improved-defense-0327-story.html

I'm wary of taking much of substance in these post trade deadline stats. The season has been over since mid December and alot of teams are taking too or not even trying at this time of the year. With that said, Elfrid is a beyond horrible defender and there is no excuse, he just does not understand defense.

I literally was saying this stuff 3 months ago and people argued that he was fine at defense.

[NBAchamps2017]

Oh feels gooooooooood to be vindicated! A closure finally!

[pepe1991]

Hennigan really looks like complete fool for trading pick and Šarić for him now.
Chain reaction , if team never traded Šarić they would never got Ibaka and Oladipo would still play for Magic.

PG- Oladipo-Gordon-Šarić- Vučević lineup would probably battle 4th sead right now.

[Von Bismarck]

Saric is crazy efficient. 15-7-3 on just 11.5 shots per game. 40% from downtown on 5+ attempts.

I'm not saying he's better than Gordon, but I also won't say he's not.

[tiderulz]

Hennigan really looks like complete fool for trading pick and Šarić for him now.
Chain reaction , if team never traded Šarić they would never got Ibaka and Oladipo would still play for Magic.

PG- Oladipo-Gordon-Šarić- Vučević lineup would probably battle 4th sead right now.

or they would have traded Dipo for someone else. maybe a PG since they didnt draft Elf.