Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15

[KillMonger]

If this is the foundation that cole can build off of then i don't see how you can't be optimistic....he's not a liability on either end of the floor

[MagicFan101]

If this is the foundation that cole can build off of then i don't see how you can't be optimistic....he's not a liability on either end of the floor

I do not care about defense at all with Cole. That isn’t what we drafted him for. We also have an all world DPOY candidate coming back next year. I just want him to do his thing on offense. Anything more than that is gravy.

[pepe1991]

Fans can't wrap their heads around idea that almost every single nba player can average +15 ppg if you gieve him enough shots.
That's why there is still notion that Wiggins is "good" because he scores 20. Fact that he needs 30% usage rate and 18 shots to get there does not bother them because they, as i've said, can't understand that almost all players actually -can score if they are given green light to take enough shots.

You have Malik Beasley, solid nba backup, who for years could not crack starting spot on Denver. Nuggets starting SG, is very, very average player in Gary Harris. But Harris gets his role. He knows that him shooting fadeaway, step back 3s is not why he is starter. Among many reasons he is starter is also one of most obvious ones: he doesn't shoot that much. When you have on team 2 superior scoring options ( Jokic, Murray) your other guys have to be self -aware enough to understand that for a team, best shot is probably shot Jokkic and Murray should take. And rest of supporting cast should be shooting wide open 3s, backdoor cuts and layups.

Back to Beasley. Beasley is dumb guy on and off the cort ( TMZ ... don't even google it, it's instant headache ). He is not terrible player, but he is very one dimensional one. Every time he gets the ball, he shoots first, shoots second and thinks about shooting as third option. When you put that team on some terrible, pathetic, G league level T wolves, you have " 21 points scorer" but when he plays organized basketball, that is actually in play for something more than draft pick, and he is asked to make decisions and will be punished for mistakes, he ends up being 18 mpg , 7,9 ppg bench player.

Fans have to understand baketball or any other sport is not WWE, teams are not in business of creating "stars" ot they will get "major push" because internet fans like that guy. Basketball is about winning and putting right players in right situation.
Teams and coaches don't give a flying **** about stat line of XY player, especially if that guy isn't some prima-donna superstar ( hello Harden).
Putting young players in situation where they are allegedly "stars" because they can take 20 shots a night without consequences, does nothing for their development as players (and as humans) . Understanding that personal stat line, especially on bad team, has no value is somthing fans should do. But unfortunately fans get cought in fake hype how somebody is averaging 20 points on 20 wins team and just close their eyes , cover their ears when somebody trys to talk sense to them how 50% TS scorer, who has fat negative net rating, below teams' net rating, is RPM, BPM, RAPTOR negative and plays below replacment level of talent- actually isn't good player. But nop. Wiggins wagon on youtube and reddit still goes strong. Right itno 7th season. Because some self proclaimed ESPN expert compared him to Kobe 7 years ago. Back in a days when people thought shooting fadeaway mid range jumpers is definition of "creating own shots".


As far as Cole goes, i don't expect him to be more than occasional nba starter and career backup. Similar career to DJ Augustin or some less popular combo guards like Jordan Clarkson. Not terrible, just not valuable enough to start.

[KillMonger]

If this is the foundation that cole can build off of then i don't see how you can't be optimistic....he's not a liability on either end of the floor

I do not care about defense at all with Cole. That isn’t what we drafted him for. We also have an all world DPOY candidate coming back next year. I just want him to do his thing on offense. Anything more than that is gravy.

yeah but for me personally i didn't expect the kind of effort he would be giving on the defensive side....sure sometimes he misses assignments and that will correct itself with time(i hope) but you've seen players in the nba that save all their energy for the offensive side of the ball and take defense off....It's refreshing that he doesn't, that's all i'm saying

[Xatticus]

Spoiler:

Fans can't wrap their heads around idea that almost every single nba player can average +15 ppg if you gieve him enough shots.
That's why there is still notion that Wiggins is "good" because he scores 20. Fact that he needs 30% usage rate and 18 shots to get there does not bother them because they, as i've said, can't understand that almost all players actually -can score if they are given green light to take enough shots.

You have Malik Beasley, solid nba backup, who for years could not crack starting spot on Denver. Nuggets starting SG, is very, very average player in Gary Harris. But Harris gets his role. He knows that him shooting fadeaway, step back 3s is not why he is starter. Among many reasons he is starter is also one of most obvious ones: he doesn't shoot that much. When you have on team 2 superior scoring options ( Jokic, Murray) your other guys have to be self -aware enough to understand that for a team, best shot is probably shot Jokkic and Murray should take. And rest of supporting cast should be shooting wide open 3s, backdoor cuts and layups.

Back to Beasley. Beasley is dumb guy on and off the cort ( TMZ ... don't even google it, it's instant headache ). He is not terrible player, but he is very one dimensional one. Every time he gets the ball, he shoots first, shoots second and thinks about shooting as third option. When you put that team on some terrible, pathetic, G league level T wolves, you have " 21 points scorer" but when he plays organized basketball, that is actually in play for something more than draft pick, and he is asked to make decisions and will be punished for mistakes, he ends up being 18 mpg , 7,9 ppg bench player.

Fans have to understand baketball or any other sport is not WWE, teams are not in business of creating "stars" ot they will get "major push" because internet fans like that guy. Basketball is about winning and putting right players in right situation.
Teams and coaches don't give a flying **** about stat line of XY player, especially if that guy isn't some prima-donna superstar ( hello Harden).
Putting young players in situation where they are allegedly "stars" because they can take 20 shots a night without consequences, does nothing for their development as players (and as humans) . Understanding that personal stat line, especially on bad team, has no value is somthing fans should do. But unfortunately fans get cought in fake hype how somebody is averaging 20 points on 20 wins team and just close their eyes , cover their ears when somebody trys to talk sense to them how 50% TS scorer, who has fat negative net rating, below teams' net rating, is RPM, BPM, RAPTOR negative and plays below replacment level of talent- actually isn't good player. But nop. Wiggins wagon on youtube and reddit still goes strong. Right itno 7th season. Because some self proclaimed ESPN expert compared him to Kobe 7 years ago. Back in a days when people thought shooting fadeaway mid range jumpers is definition of "creating own shots".


As far as Cole goes, i don't expect him to be more than occasional nba starter and career backup. Similar career to DJ Augustin or some less popular combo guards like Jordan Clarkson. Not terrible, just not valuable enough to start.

I agree for the most part. A couple points I'd add, however, are that shooting percentages aren't necessarily indicative of a player's offensive quality and that it is important to put the ball in the hands of your talented prospects. Shooting percentages, in isolation, don't really tell you a whole lot about a player. Offensive value is mostly about how a player impacts the quality of shots that the team generates while they are on the floor and, to a lesser extent, by how many additional possessions that player generates for the team, which includes improving your rebound and turnover differentials. Putting the ball in the hands of your talented young players is about developing them offensively. It isn't about gifting them shots.

I'm pleased with Anthony's role so far. I would have preferred a distributor to a shoot-first guy, but hopefully Anthony can develop into that if given the opportunities and guidance. I'm not going to get excited about him scoring 12 or 15 points a night or whatever. A lot of bad offensive players in the NBA still manage to get theirs. If he ends up being the next Terry Rozier or Devonte' Graham, that does nothing for me because I don't believe that will do anything to help Orlando climb the ranks in the East. I think he is a better prospect than either of those guys because he has the better pedigree up to this point in his career.

[basketballRob]

I'm glad Nesmith didn't fall to us.

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[MaKiaVeLi7]

If this is the foundation that cole can build off of then i don't see how you can't be optimistic....he's not a liability on either end of the floor

Cole Anthony has been very very impressive so far. Initially, I was one of the main supporters of the pick we made and even wished we draft him hours before we picked him. However, I was trying to keep my enthusiasm in check and stay on the ground with my expectations.

Now, I don't see any reason not to be optimistic about his development and I can say that my expectations are even higher. His ceiling is very high and if what we saw so far is his floor (rookie year, no summer league, no offseason to prepare with pro trainers, no real training camp and shortened pre-season) - we should be very happy with the direction of our backcourt.

[Horcy]

Hey, here's a very complete and detailed article about Anthony's game so far. I believe Hornets game is missing but it's very detailed analyzing many offensive & defensive situations against the Hawks.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nba.com/amp/magic/news/film-room-analyzing-cole-anthony-performance-20201215

[Anti Chalmers]

I’m impressed with Anthony so far. Keep in mind he’s the 15th pick so he’s not expected to be a franchise changer. Don’t expect him to be a star but I think he can be as good as DJ. I think his ceiling is higher though. Also it’s quite refreshing to draft a player that is offensive minded. I don’t like how we draft length and defensive minded players hoping they can develop their offensive game.

[fendilim]

Fans can't wrap their heads around idea that almost every single nba player can average +15 ppg if you gieve him enough shots.
That's why there is still notion that Wiggins is "good" because he scores 20. Fact that he needs 30% usage rate and 18 shots to get there does not bother them because they, as i've said, can't understand that almost all players actually -can score if they are given green light to take enough shots.

You have Malik Beasley, solid nba backup, who for years could not crack starting spot on Denver. Nuggets starting SG, is very, very average player in Gary Harris. But Harris gets his role. He knows that him shooting fadeaway, step back 3s is not why he is starter. Among many reasons he is starter is also one of most obvious ones: he doesn't shoot that much. When you have on team 2 superior scoring options ( Jokic, Murray) your other guys have to be self -aware enough to understand that for a team, best shot is probably shot Jokkic and Murray should take. And rest of supporting cast should be shooting wide open 3s, backdoor cuts and layups.

Back to Beasley. Beasley is dumb guy on and off the cort ( TMZ ... don't even google it, it's instant headache ). He is not terrible player, but he is very one dimensional one. Every time he gets the ball, he shoots first, shoots second and thinks about shooting as third option. When you put that team on some terrible, pathetic, G league level T wolves, you have " 21 points scorer" but when he plays organized basketball, that is actually in play for something more than draft pick, and he is asked to make decisions and will be punished for mistakes, he ends up being 18 mpg , 7,9 ppg bench player.

Fans have to understand baketball or any other sport is not WWE, teams are not in business of creating "stars" ot they will get "major push" because internet fans like that guy. Basketball is about winning and putting right players in right situation.
Teams and coaches don't give a flying **** about stat line of XY player, especially if that guy isn't some prima-donna superstar ( hello Harden).
Putting young players in situation where they are allegedly "stars" because they can take 20 shots a night without consequences, does nothing for their development as players (and as humans) . Understanding that personal stat line, especially on bad team, has no value is somthing fans should do. But unfortunately fans get cought in fake hype how somebody is averaging 20 points on 20 wins team and just close their eyes , cover their ears when somebody trys to talk sense to them how 50% TS scorer, who has fat negative net rating, below teams' net rating, is RPM, BPM, RAPTOR negative and plays below replacment level of talent- actually isn't good player. But nop. Wiggins wagon on youtube and reddit still goes strong. Right itno 7th season. Because some self proclaimed ESPN expert compared him to Kobe 7 years ago. Back in a days when people thought shooting fadeaway mid range jumpers is definition of "creating own shots".


As far as Cole goes, i don't expect him to be more than occasional nba starter and career backup. Similar career to DJ Augustin or some less popular combo guards like Jordan Clarkson. Not terrible, just not valuable enough to start.

I do agree with this mostly. But I don’t mind it. If Anthony can score off the bench for us, Or perhaps eventually be someone like Lou Williams, he will still be a big help to a team. Having a 6th man is underrated. Every successful team has one.

[Knightro]

All things considered, Cole Anthony had a really good preseason compared to his fellow rookie guards and the case could be made he was one of the best rookie guards overall.

Anthony: 13.8 PPG on .488/.471/.778 slash, 2.8 RPG, 3.8 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 3.6 PF, 3.0 TO in 23.3 MPG.

Edwards, Ball, Hayes and Hampton showed flashes here and there, but all really struggled to make shots efficiently.

Haliburton stuffed the stat sheet with REB/AST/STL/BLK, but had a comically low usage (12.8%) and drew like one foul in 86 minutes.

Lewis barely played and is clearly not going to start the year in the Pelicans rotation.

Maxey, Quickley were both solid.

The two best rookie guards outside of Anthony were Malachi Flynn and Desmond Bane, which I suppose shouldn't be a huge shock given their ages and experience.

[Knightro]

Cole Anthony by Shot Type - 41 Total Attempts

50% on layups (6-12)
67% on catch and shoot 3PT (6-9)
25% on 3PT off dribble (2-8)
40% on floaters (2-5)
50% on midrange off dribble (2-4)
50% on short fadeaways (1-2)
100% on OReb putbacks (1-1)

[JojoSlimbiid]

I hate the way he plays but this is one of the few rosters where his archetype is useful.

He's really not that crafty with the ball but he is explosive and fast.

[The Effect]

Fans can't wrap their heads around idea that almost every single nba player can average +15 ppg if you gieve him enough shots.
That's why there is still notion that Wiggins is "good" because he scores 20. Fact that he needs 30% usage rate and 18 shots to get there does not bother them because they, as i've said, can't understand that almost all players actually -can score if they are given green light to take enough shots.

You have Malik Beasley, solid nba backup, who for years could not crack starting spot on Denver. Nuggets starting SG, is very, very average player in Gary Harris. But Harris gets his role. He knows that him shooting fadeaway, step back 3s is not why he is starter. Among many reasons he is starter is also one of most obvious ones: he doesn't shoot that much. When you have on team 2 superior scoring options ( Jokic, Murray) your other guys have to be self -aware enough to understand that for a team, best shot is probably shot Jokkic and Murray should take. And rest of supporting cast should be shooting wide open 3s, backdoor cuts and layups.

Back to Beasley. Beasley is dumb guy on and off the cort ( TMZ ... don't even google it, it's instant headache ). He is not terrible player, but he is very one dimensional one. Every time he gets the ball, he shoots first, shoots second and thinks about shooting as third option. When you put that team on some terrible, pathetic, G league level T wolves, you have " 21 points scorer" but when he plays organized basketball, that is actually in play for something more than draft pick, and he is asked to make decisions and will be punished for mistakes, he ends up being 18 mpg , 7,9 ppg bench player.

Fans have to understand baketball or any other sport is not WWE, teams are not in business of creating "stars" ot they will get "major push" because internet fans like that guy. Basketball is about winning and putting right players in right situation.
Teams and coaches don't give a flying **** about stat line of XY player, especially if that guy isn't some prima-donna superstar ( hello Harden).
Putting young players in situation where they are allegedly "stars" because they can take 20 shots a night without consequences, does nothing for their development as players (and as humans) . Understanding that personal stat line, especially on bad team, has no value is somthing fans should do. But unfortunately fans get cought in fake hype how somebody is averaging 20 points on 20 wins team and just close their eyes , cover their ears when somebody trys to talk sense to them how 50% TS scorer, who has fat negative net rating, below teams' net rating, is RPM, BPM, RAPTOR negative and plays below replacment level of talent- actually isn't good player. But nop. Wiggins wagon on youtube and reddit still goes strong. Right itno 7th season. Because some self proclaimed ESPN expert compared him to Kobe 7 years ago. Back in a days when people thought shooting fadeaway mid range jumpers is definition of "creating own shots".


As far as Cole goes, i don't expect him to be more than occasional nba starter and career backup. Similar career to DJ Augustin or some less popular combo guards like Jordan Clarkson. Not terrible, just not valuable enough to start.

578 words that can be summed up by saying "im still bitter Weham didnt draft my guy so im going to keep bashing this kid"

Give it a rest

[KillMonger]

Watch on YouTube

[MoMM]

Anthony: 13.8 PPG on .488/.471/.778 slash, 2.8 RPG, 3.8 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0.0 BPG, 3.6 PF, 3.0 TO in 23.3 MPG.

If he can keep these stats during the season, we got a steal, that's almost 20/4/6 per36 with good shooting. He just needs to improve his turnovers and decrease his fouls (and both are expected to be high for now since he is a rookie).

[pepe1991]

Fans can't wrap their heads around idea that almost every single nba player can average +15 ppg if you gieve him enough shots.
That's why there is still notion that Wiggins is "good" because he scores 20. Fact that he needs 30% usage rate and 18 shots to get there does not bother them because they, as i've said, can't understand that almost all players actually -can score if they are given green light to take enough shots.

You have Malik Beasley, solid nba backup, who for years could not crack starting spot on Denver. Nuggets starting SG, is very, very average player in Gary Harris. But Harris gets his role. He knows that him shooting fadeaway, step back 3s is not why he is starter. Among many reasons he is starter is also one of most obvious ones: he doesn't shoot that much. When you have on team 2 superior scoring options ( Jokic, Murray) your other guys have to be self -aware enough to understand that for a team, best shot is probably shot Jokkic and Murray should take. And rest of supporting cast should be shooting wide open 3s, backdoor cuts and layups.

Back to Beasley. Beasley is dumb guy on and off the cort ( TMZ ... don't even google it, it's instant headache ). He is not terrible player, but he is very one dimensional one. Every time he gets the ball, he shoots first, shoots second and thinks about shooting as third option. When you put that team on some terrible, pathetic, G league level T wolves, you have " 21 points scorer" but when he plays organized basketball, that is actually in play for something more than draft pick, and he is asked to make decisions and will be punished for mistakes, he ends up being 18 mpg , 7,9 ppg bench player.

Fans have to understand baketball or any other sport is not WWE, teams are not in business of creating "stars" ot they will get "major push" because internet fans like that guy. Basketball is about winning and putting right players in right situation.
Teams and coaches don't give a flying **** about stat line of XY player, especially if that guy isn't some prima-donna superstar ( hello Harden).
Putting young players in situation where they are allegedly "stars" because they can take 20 shots a night without consequences, does nothing for their development as players (and as humans) . Understanding that personal stat line, especially on bad team, has no value is somthing fans should do. But unfortunately fans get cought in fake hype how somebody is averaging 20 points on 20 wins team and just close their eyes , cover their ears when somebody trys to talk sense to them how 50% TS scorer, who has fat negative net rating, below teams' net rating, is RPM, BPM, RAPTOR negative and plays below replacment level of talent- actually isn't good player. But nop. Wiggins wagon on youtube and reddit still goes strong. Right itno 7th season. Because some self proclaimed ESPN expert compared him to Kobe 7 years ago. Back in a days when people thought shooting fadeaway mid range jumpers is definition of "creating own shots".


As far as Cole goes, i don't expect him to be more than occasional nba starter and career backup. Similar career to DJ Augustin or some less popular combo guards like Jordan Clarkson. Not terrible, just not valuable enough to start.

578 words that can be summed up by saying "im still bitter Weham didnt draft my guy so im going to keep bashing this kid"

Give it a rest

I don't root against anybody, nor i ever will. But sometimes it's clear what player will be.
You can get all wet about preseason where him or anybody else, including our best players Vuc, Gordon play great against teams that are projected to have top 10 worst defense, and what makes it even more hilarious , against third stringers at times, but that still does not change his projection as player. 6'1 off bench shooting guard.

[basketballRob]

Fans can't wrap their heads around idea that almost every single nba player can average +15 ppg if you gieve him enough shots.
That's why there is still notion that Wiggins is "good" because he scores 20. Fact that he needs 30% usage rate and 18 shots to get there does not bother them because they, as i've said, can't understand that almost all players actually -can score if they are given green light to take enough shots.

You have Malik Beasley, solid nba backup, who for years could not crack starting spot on Denver. Nuggets starting SG, is very, very average player in Gary Harris. But Harris gets his role. He knows that him shooting fadeaway, step back 3s is not why he is starter. Among many reasons he is starter is also one of most obvious ones: he doesn't shoot that much. When you have on team 2 superior scoring options ( Jokic, Murray) your other guys have to be self -aware enough to understand that for a team, best shot is probably shot Jokkic and Murray should take. And rest of supporting cast should be shooting wide open 3s, backdoor cuts and layups.

Back to Beasley. Beasley is dumb guy on and off the cort ( TMZ ... don't even google it, it's instant headache ). He is not terrible player, but he is very one dimensional one. Every time he gets the ball, he shoots first, shoots second and thinks about shooting as third option. When you put that team on some terrible, pathetic, G league level T wolves, you have " 21 points scorer" but when he plays organized basketball, that is actually in play for something more than draft pick, and he is asked to make decisions and will be punished for mistakes, he ends up being 18 mpg , 7,9 ppg bench player.

Fans have to understand baketball or any other sport is not WWE, teams are not in business of creating "stars" ot they will get "major push" because internet fans like that guy. Basketball is about winning and putting right players in right situation.
Teams and coaches don't give a flying **** about stat line of XY player, especially if that guy isn't some prima-donna superstar ( hello Harden).
Putting young players in situation where they are allegedly "stars" because they can take 20 shots a night without consequences, does nothing for their development as players (and as humans) . Understanding that personal stat line, especially on bad team, has no value is somthing fans should do. But unfortunately fans get cought in fake hype how somebody is averaging 20 points on 20 wins team and just close their eyes , cover their ears when somebody trys to talk sense to them how 50% TS scorer, who has fat negative net rating, below teams' net rating, is RPM, BPM, RAPTOR negative and plays below replacment level of talent- actually isn't good player. But nop. Wiggins wagon on youtube and reddit still goes strong. Right itno 7th season. Because some self proclaimed ESPN expert compared him to Kobe 7 years ago. Back in a days when people thought shooting fadeaway mid range jumpers is definition of "creating own shots".


As far as Cole goes, i don't expect him to be more than occasional nba starter and career backup. Similar career to DJ Augustin or some less popular combo guards like Jordan Clarkson. Not terrible, just not valuable enough to start.

578 words that can be summed up by saying "im still bitter Weham didnt draft my guy so im going to keep bashing this kid"

Give it a rest

I don't root against anybody, nor i ever will. But sometimes it's clear what player will be.
You can get all wet about preseason where him or anybody else, including our best players Vuc, Gordon play great against teams that are projected to have top 10 worst defense, and what makes it even more hilarious , against third stringers at times, but that still does not change his projection as player. 6'1 off bench shooting guard.

He's 6'1.5", that's 3.5" bigger than DJ.

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[GelbeWand09]

I try to support our young players in most cases, but i think i'm more on pepe's site here. I liked a lot about Cole in those preseason games & some stuff Chuma showed, but both doesnt showed me anything, that they can change the fate of this franchise in the future. I dont see any future impact player, like i saw in Isaac in his first game already.
Cole was more effective & had better shot selection (no surprise, wasnt really worried about that on a vet team) & Chuma showed potential of a 40%+ 3Point shooting big, with good passing skills.
But both scream roleplayers for me & to be honest, role players coming from the bench. Chuma seems to be a 4 only & i have my doubt he got the length, rebounding & athletism to be a 30 min or more starter @ pf.

Cole is the typical one dimensional undersized scorer, who doesnt do anything else good. He probably needs to shoot at almost elite efficiency his whole career, not to be a negative on the court. He won't make anyone around him better & he gonna be a defensive liability. Sure he can become Lou Williams, but Lou Williams doesnt excite me at all in our situation.

Nothing against those Kids, they are probably good to very good value for the postion they were drafted. But they doesnt change anything about the outlook of this franchise for me. I will root for them for sure & hope they prove me wrong.

This is more about our situation than the rookies. If we were a good team, i would be excited about the guys. Adding cheap good roleplayers.

[basketballRob]

Cole reminds me of Vanvleet.

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