Official Spec Thread: I guess now's the time to blow this dumpster fire up and bask in the glow!

[Knightro]

The Jazz will carry a 21-game home winning streak into tomorrow's game.

[RookieStar]

The Jazz will carry a 21-game home winning streak into tomorrow's game.

May it become 22

[pepe1991]

Warriors really just lost by 53 points? My God

They just need to hold Curry and Green out and they will lose remaining 24 games in a row.

Pelicans are gearing up for some heavy tanking . vs Hawks no Lonzo, no Ingram, no Adams, no Zion.

[drsd]

With the Bulls loss, Orlando is now only 2 1/2 games back of a play-in slot.


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[pepe1991]

These are the only players on the Magic that matter:

Markelle Fultz, 22 DOESN'T PLAY, HAS ACL TEAR
Chuma Okeke, 22
Jonathan Isaac, 23 DOESN'T PLAY, HAS ACL TEAR
Wendell Carter, 21

Cole Anthony, 20 DOESN'T PLAY
Karim Mane, 20 G LEAGUE BODY
RJ Hampton, 20 AVERAGES 16 mpg, will fall off rotation when Harris returns
Mo Bamba, 22 Turns 23 in a month

Plus 2 1st rounders. If they wanna keep Gary Harris around...he's a whopping 25 years old.

Otto Porter - expiring BUT PLAYS FOR CONTRACT
James Ennis - expiring BUT PLAYS FOR CONTRACT
Khem Birch - expiring BUT PLAYS FOR CONTRACT
Chasson Randle - expiring
Dwayne Bacon - unguaranteed BUT PLAYS FOR CONTRACT

Michael Williams Carter - who cares? IS YOUR STARTING PG NOW
Terrence Ross - The Godfather

WILL TAKE MOST SHOTS ON A TEAM


I askeed who execlly Magic are DEVELOPING RIGHT now. So i will go through your post ( red ink) to point out how stupid things are.

Magic beat Pelicans on 38 min of Ennis, 33 min of Bacon and 21 shots of Ross.

We are ONE WIN AWAY FROM 6TH WORST RECORD. We are doing it again,we again, pretend that we are "teaching culture" by destroying our lottery odds, when we in reality just allow too many vets that use as polygon for better contracts.

Won two games in a row, not because we are good ,but because teams sit out best players against us. Instad of pretty much making up injuries of key players and holding them back ( Ross, Bacon = 34 shots taken out ) we just YOLO it.

How dumb things are is best viewed through fact that we rather play mid season signed PG Randle, who is 27 years old bum, over 19 years old Hampton who allegedly this front office "liked before draft". So, in a game their min distribution was: 35 min and 16 shots to Randle, 18 min and 6 shots to Hampton

Art of being irrelevant year after year.

honest question. Why are you here? you dont like the team, dont like the players, dont like the coach, dont like the front office. you arent from Orlando, werent born in Orlando. you $#@# on any enthusiasm anyone may have. why exactly are you here? just wondering the mind set if there isnt anything here you like. what draws you to this forum?

Crappy thing to ask why is somebody fan of any team, isn't it? It's not really objective to debate about fandom, knowing fan word comes from fanatic.

There are thing i like, i just don't yell them all the time. For start it's about loyality as fan, i have never really changed teams i liked in my life. Since i can remember there are few teams i support ,orlando being one of them.

What i like about Orlando in this moment?

Well for start i enjoy Clifford way more than most people here do.
I like Okeke, despite me posting that thread and calling him "fine rotation peace or bench player" i still like his dominor and playing style. Nothing flashy, but get's job done. In general i like players that don't have inflated ego ( maybe that's why i never liked Gordon... ).
I like Wendell Carter Jr. If you are boared to death, you can probably dig up one of my comments about him from past to figure that out.
I think Gery Harris isn't lost cause if he can get his health and confidence back. He is another guy i like.

I like Birch, plays, hard, isn't talented but works very hard.

There was period of time where i loved Otto Porter, guy was one of best corner three point shooters in nba. Can he be "repaired" ? I don't know, but he is first Magic actual SF in years.

On whole Magic roster today only player i dislike is Bamba. I'm not big fan of Cole Anthony's ceiling, but i don't mind him. I have lower opinion on Fultz than most, that's true. I like Isaac, but i don't view him as future star.

What gets under my nerves nowdays is fear of winning too many meaningless games and failing to draft actual game changer.

[Gomagic44]

~Lowers pitchfork~

Your knowledge of rosters and stats always impresses me.

WILL TAKE MOST SHOTS ON A TEAM


I askeed who execlly Magic are DEVELOPING RIGHT now. So i will go through your post ( red ink) to point out how stupid things are.

Magic beat Pelicans on 38 min of Ennis, 33 min of Bacon and 21 shots of Ross.

We are ONE WIN AWAY FROM 6TH WORST RECORD. We are doing it again,we again, pretend that we are "teaching culture" by destroying our lottery odds, when we in reality just allow too many vets that use as polygon for better contracts.

Won two games in a row, not because we are good ,but because teams sit out best players against us. Instad of pretty much making up injuries of key players and holding them back ( Ross, Bacon = 34 shots taken out ) we just YOLO it.

How dumb things are is best viewed through fact that we rather play mid season signed PG Randle, who is 27 years old bum, over 19 years old Hampton who allegedly this front office "liked before draft". So, in a game their min distribution was: 35 min and 16 shots to Randle, 18 min and 6 shots to Hampton

Art of being irrelevant year after year.

honest question. Why are you here? you dont like the team, dont like the players, dont like the coach, dont like the front office. you arent from Orlando, werent born in Orlando. you $#@# on any enthusiasm anyone may have. why exactly are you here? just wondering the mind set if there isnt anything here you like. what draws you to this forum?

Crappy thing to ask why is somebody fan of any team, isn't it? It's not really objective to debate about fandom, knowing fan word comes from fanatic.

There are thing i like, i just don't yell them all the time. For start it's about loyality as fan, i have never really changed teams i liked in my life. Since i can remember there are few teams i support ,orlando being one of them.

What i like about Orlando in this moment?

Well for start i enjoy Clifford way more than most people here do.
I like Okeke, despite me posting that thread and calling him "fine rotation peace or bench player" i still like his dominor and playing style. Nothing flashy, but get's job done. In general i like players that don't have inflated ego ( maybe that's why i never liked Gordon... ).
I like Wendell Carter Jr. If you are boared to death, you can probably dig up one of my comments about him from past to figure that out.
I think Gery Harris isn't lost cause if he can get his health and confidence back. He is another guy i like.

I like Birch, plays, hard, isn't talented but works very hard.

There was period of time where i loved Otto Porter, guy was one of best corner three point shooters in nba. Can he be "repaired" ? I don't know, but he is first Magic actual SF in years.

On whole Magic roster today only player i dislike is Bamba. I'm not big fan of Cole Anthony's ceiling, but i don't mind him. I have lower opinion on Fultz than most, that's true. I like Isaac, but i don't view him as future star.

What gets under my nerves nowdays is fear of winning too many meaningless games and failing to draft actual game changer.

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[drsd]

Sorry for the delay on this:

[tiderulz]

WILL TAKE MOST SHOTS ON A TEAM


I askeed who execlly Magic are DEVELOPING RIGHT now. So i will go through your post ( red ink) to point out how stupid things are.

Magic beat Pelicans on 38 min of Ennis, 33 min of Bacon and 21 shots of Ross.

We are ONE WIN AWAY FROM 6TH WORST RECORD. We are doing it again,we again, pretend that we are "teaching culture" by destroying our lottery odds, when we in reality just allow too many vets that use as polygon for better contracts.

Won two games in a row, not because we are good ,but because teams sit out best players against us. Instad of pretty much making up injuries of key players and holding them back ( Ross, Bacon = 34 shots taken out ) we just YOLO it.

How dumb things are is best viewed through fact that we rather play mid season signed PG Randle, who is 27 years old bum, over 19 years old Hampton who allegedly this front office "liked before draft". So, in a game their min distribution was: 35 min and 16 shots to Randle, 18 min and 6 shots to Hampton

Art of being irrelevant year after year.

honest question. Why are you here? you dont like the team, dont like the players, dont like the coach, dont like the front office. you arent from Orlando, werent born in Orlando. you $#@# on any enthusiasm anyone may have. why exactly are you here? just wondering the mind set if there isnt anything here you like. what draws you to this forum?

Crappy thing to ask why is somebody fan of any team, isn't it? It's not really objective to debate about fandom, knowing fan word comes from fanatic.

There are thing i like, i just don't yell them all the time. For start it's about loyality as fan, i have never really changed teams i liked in my life. Since i can remember there are few teams i support ,orlando being one of them.

What i like about Orlando in this moment?

Well for start i enjoy Clifford way more than most people here do.
I like Okeke, despite me posting that thread and calling him "fine rotation peace or bench player" i still like his dominor and playing style. Nothing flashy, but get's job done. In general i like players that don't have inflated ego ( maybe that's why i never liked Gordon... ).
I like Wendell Carter Jr. If you are boared to death, you can probably dig up one of my comments about him from past to figure that out.
I think Gery Harris isn't lost cause if he can get his health and confidence back. He is another guy i like.

I like Birch, plays, hard, isn't talented but works very hard.

There was period of time where i loved Otto Porter, guy was one of best corner three point shooters in nba. Can he be "repaired" ? I don't know, but he is first Magic actual SF in years.

On whole Magic roster today only player i dislike is Bamba. I'm not big fan of Cole Anthony's ceiling, but i don't mind him. I have lower opinion on Fultz than most, that's true. I like Isaac, but i don't view him as future star.

What gets under my nerves nowdays is fear of winning too many meaningless games and failing to draft actual game changer.

it really isnt a crappy thing to ask. you generally dont seem to like a thing about Orlando and you go out of your way to squash any enthusiasm people may have around here. Is the enthusiasm too early? unjustified? maybe, but thats what fans do. and they usually have some tie to the team. You dont appear to have a tie to the team or area and arent happy with a single thing the team does. I just wondered why you were here. For me, i lived in Orlando, wife graduated from UCF. i used to go watch a few games a year in Orlando and have latched on to the team, even though i moved from Orlando to Wash DC and then back to Atlanta.

And i laugh that you say you like Okeke, when until his recent breakout coming with playing time, you were completely ripping him, when a few of us just said a little patience to see what he could do

Aminu starting over Okeke really pisses me off

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Why? Both suck

As far as "promising young player" goes, what does that even mean? Is rookie promising because he didn't have time to dissapoint? Would Okeke be viewed as "promising" on other team?

Where i agree that Isaac is unknown comodity and Okeke is hardly even upgrade over Iwundu
Would Okeke be viewed as "promising" on other team?

I also don't understand fans fascination with Okeke, guy looks like even lower usage Iwundu most of the time, with somewhat decend jumpshot but doesn't shoot enough to make any difference.

And that's why losing sleep over what Okeke ( 4,4 ppg, 38% FG) Bamba ( 5 ppg) and Isaac ( 10 ppg ) can do, on greater scale, is wasting time. They won't do anything against anybody good

[Knightro]

This board has a weird obsession with automatically thinking teams are tanking when players miss games because of injuries.

Sometimes good players actually do get injured and when they don’t play it’s hard for their teams to win.

Doesn’t mean those teams are actively trying to lose.

[basketballRob]

This board has a weird obsession with automatically thinking teams are tanking when players miss games because of injuries.

Sometimes good players actually do get injured and when they don’t play it’s hard for their teams to win.

Doesn’t mean those teams are actively trying to lose.

People have been speculating that Golden State may decide to just tank. I watched the game last night and Green looked like he was ready to go, and they scratched him at the last minute.

If New Orleans keeps Hart, Zion, and Ingram out for an extended time with the minor injuries they have, they may not really be trying to win as many games as they can. Those injuries could be playing thru if they were serious about playoff positioning.



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[tiderulz]

This board has a weird obsession with automatically thinking teams are tanking when players miss games because of injuries.

Sometimes good players actually do get injured and when they don’t play it’s hard for their teams to win.

Doesn’t mean those teams are actively trying to lose.

People have been speculating that Golden State may decide to just tank. I watched the game last night and Green looked like he was ready to go, and they scratched him at the last minute.

If New Orleans keeps Hart, Zion, and Ingram out for an extended time with the minor injuries they have, they may not really be trying to win as many games as they can. Those injuries could be playing thru if they were serious about playoff positioning.



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well for HArt, a torn ligament in the thumb of your shooting hand isnt what i would call a minor injury.

[basketballRob]

This board has a weird obsession with automatically thinking teams are tanking when players miss games because of injuries.

Sometimes good players actually do get injured and when they don’t play it’s hard for their teams to win.

Doesn’t mean those teams are actively trying to lose.

People have been speculating that Golden State may decide to just tank. I watched the game last night and Green looked like he was ready to go, and they scratched him at the last minute.

If New Orleans keeps Hart, Zion, and Ingram out for an extended time with the minor injuries they have, they may not really be trying to win as many games as they can. Those injuries could be playing thru if they were serious about playoff positioning.



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well for HArt, a torn ligament in the thumb of your shooting hand isnt what i would call a minor injury.

Oh, I thought it was a sprain, like Zion.



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[JBSouthpaw]

Well if you think about it, Cliff still gave him increasing minutes despite the mistakes he did 2 games ago.. and despite the mistakes he did last game, I still expect him to get increasing minutes even by a little.

Sure its nice to say "throw him into the grinder" and see what he is made of BUT that doesn't necessarily work for everyone. Remember, unlike WCJ, RJ is a rookie who just got traded into a new environment/coaching plays and etc. It also isnt like he was averaging 20-25mins before in DEN. So yeah, easing him slowly into the rotation is probably what's best for him. I mean look at his fellow rookie Okeke. We didn't throw him 25 mins a game right away right?

Okeke was coming off an injury so they were definitely going to ease him in.

My only concern with RJ is once Harris and Cole, come back, is he even going to get any minutes. I see his playing time being cut or nonexistent, I hope Cliff proves me wrong but that is what I think will happen.

What most Magic fans may have missed, RJ was out for a month for Covid, his 1st game back was right before the trade.
His last game was 2/27 before the 3/24 game.

[JBSouthpaw]

Not sure why people keep pointing at Ross/Bacon and Ennis minutes over the last few games.
We don't have healthy younger options right now.
When Cole and Harris are back, THEN I will join in the complaints.
Can't run Hampton at SG, we need him at PG with MCW out.

[MagicTownBaller]

I'm hoping we make Bamba look good and trade him in the off-season. I see Hampton being in the doghouse.

Maybe if we land in the 4th or 5th pick we trade Bamba and that pick for 2 or 3?

[Skin]

honest question. Why are you here? you dont like the team, dont like the players, dont like the coach, dont like the front office. you arent from Orlando, werent born in Orlando. you $#@# on any enthusiasm anyone may have. why exactly are you here? just wondering the mind set if there isnt anything here you like. what draws you to this forum?

Crappy thing to ask why is somebody fan of any team, isn't it? It's not really objective to debate about fandom, knowing fan word comes from fanatic.

There are thing i like, i just don't yell them all the time. For start it's about loyality as fan, i have never really changed teams i liked in my life. Since i can remember there are few teams i support ,orlando being one of them.

What i like about Orlando in this moment?

Well for start i enjoy Clifford way more than most people here do.
I like Okeke, despite me posting that thread and calling him "fine rotation peace or bench player" i still like his dominor and playing style. Nothing flashy, but get's job done. In general i like players that don't have inflated ego ( maybe that's why i never liked Gordon... ).
I like Wendell Carter Jr. If you are boared to death, you can probably dig up one of my comments about him from past to figure that out.
I think Gery Harris isn't lost cause if he can get his health and confidence back. He is another guy i like.

I like Birch, plays, hard, isn't talented but works very hard.

There was period of time where i loved Otto Porter, guy was one of best corner three point shooters in nba. Can he be "repaired" ? I don't know, but he is first Magic actual SF in years.

On whole Magic roster today only player i dislike is Bamba. I'm not big fan of Cole Anthony's ceiling, but i don't mind him. I have lower opinion on Fultz than most, that's true. I like Isaac, but i don't view him as future star.

What gets under my nerves nowdays is fear of winning too many meaningless games and failing to draft actual game changer.

it really isnt a crappy thing to ask. you generally dont seem to like a thing about Orlando and you go out of your way to squash any enthusiasm people may have around here. Is the enthusiasm too early? unjustified? maybe, but thats what fans do. and they usually have some tie to the team. You dont appear to have a tie to the team or area and arent happy with a single thing the team does. I just wondered why you were here. For me, i lived in Orlando, wife graduated from UCF. i used to go watch a few games a year in Orlando and have latched on to the team, even though i moved from Orlando to Wash DC and then back to Atlanta.

And i laugh that you say you like Okeke, when until his recent breakout coming with playing time, you were completely ripping him, when a few of us just said a little patience to see what he could do

Aminu starting over Okeke really pisses me off

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Why? Both suck

As far as "promising young player" goes, what does that even mean? Is rookie promising because he didn't have time to dissapoint? Would Okeke be viewed as "promising" on other team?

Where i agree that Isaac is unknown comodity and Okeke is hardly even upgrade over Iwundu
Would Okeke be viewed as "promising" on other team?

I also don't understand fans fascination with Okeke, guy looks like even lower usage Iwundu most of the time, with somewhat decend jumpshot but doesn't shoot enough to make any difference.

And that's why losing sleep over what Okeke ( 4,4 ppg, 38% FG) Bamba ( 5 ppg) and Isaac ( 10 ppg ) can do, on greater scale, is wasting time. They won't do anything against anybody good

Wow, tiderulz with the hammer. It did throw me off when pepe was acting like he had always been a fan of Okeke. I wasn't about to dig up history, but I never got the feeling that pepe was in Chuma's corner. If he is now, that's great! Chuma's been making a lot of new fans lately. Nothing wrong with being late to the party.

[Skin]

I'm hoping we make Bamba look good and trade him in the off-season. I see Hampton being in the doghouse.

Maybe if we land in the 4th or 5th pick we trade Bamba and that pick for 2 or 3?

Nobody is trading out of the Top 5 unless they are getting a star.

We are used to this kind of talk... we always used to hear guys, say... "What if we used Vuc to move up... or AG or Evan... to move up a few spots" It just doesn't work.

[Knightro]

Nobody is trading out of the Top 5 unless they are getting a star.

I don't agree with this. I think there's absolutely a point where someone would trade a top 5 pick for multiple assets. These guys in this draft are nice prospects, but none of them project out to be LeBron, Durant, Doncic can't miss talents necessarily.

If the Magic hypothetically end up with something like... 7 and 11 from their own pick and the Bulls pick -- I'm very confident a team is going to at least consider 7, 11, 35 and possibly even a future 1st if that's what it takes to unload the pick.

[MagicTownBaller]

Nobody is trading out of the Top 5 unless they are getting a star.

I don't agree with this. I think there's absolutely a point where someone would trade a top 5 pick for multiple assets. These guys in this draft are nice prospects, but none of them project out to be LeBron, Durant, Doncic can't miss talents necessarily.

If the Magic hypothetically end up with something like... 7 and 11 from their own pick and the Bulls pick -- I'm very confident a team is going to at least consider 7, 11, 35 and possibly even a future 1st if that's what it takes to unload the pick.

I agree with that. Nothing is untradeable.

[Skin]

Nobody is trading out of the Top 5 unless they are getting a star.

I don't agree with this. I think there's absolutely a point where someone would trade a top 5 pick for multiple assets. These guys in this draft are nice prospects, but none of them project out to be LeBron, Durant, Doncic can't miss talents necessarily.

If the Magic hypothetically end up with something like... 7 and 11 from their own pick and the Bulls pick -- I'm very confident a team is going to at least consider 7, 11, 35 and possibly even a future 1st if that's what it takes to unload the pick.

I would like to challenge you to find a time when a team traded OUT of the elite range of picks in order to add quantity like you suggest.

I'm not talking about the time when Boston gave up Fultz to get Tatum or Atlanta gave up Doncic to get Young. In these cases, they stayed within range of getting an elite player in the Top 3.. Top 5. They did not go outside of the range where they would miss out on getting an elite talent.

If you can find that, then I can be open to your idea. If we are armed with a Top 5 pick, then I can see us being able to trade into the Top 3. But if we are not, then that just becomes a dishonest false hope, imo.