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[RookieStar]

Yeah, honestly, I can't think of many FAs that I would want to take away minutes from our young guys. Every position is loaded with a bunch of 23 or younger guys right now.

Oh same... but I dont want our young guys to be beaten black and blue for the full 82 games. We need to spell them sometimes. Plus with the injury history of our bigs... i dont want Franz to play C and Okeke play PF just cuz we have no one else to throw out there.

Hell, we need to get rid of a vet or two. Now that we have Suggs, I don't want Harris stealing ANY minutes from Suggs, RJ, or Fultz at the 2 spot.

My ideal lineup halfway through the year once JI and Fultz are back:

WCj/Bamba
JI/ Ennis
Franz/Okeke/MCW
RJ/Fultz
Suggs/Cole

Where does Ross or Harris get playing time? They aren't scrubs but we can't have the 4 young guys sit either. Ennis and MCW are good vets to keep around but are they willing to play a reduced role on a bad team?

We could use another C and PF... if only we had a high 2nd round pick to draft one...

Cmon lets look at reality. Thats 82 games.. some are back to.back some are 3 games in 5 nights. Then not to mention the quick flights, practices and etc. Thats gonna leave a lot of guys esp those with not yet fully developed bodies sore and inury-prone.

I dont want our recent history of 1st rd picks not being to play in their 1st year cuz of injuries lol

[FFBlitzace]

In the words of Otis Smith, we're gonna go "bargain hunting."

[thelead]

Oh same... but I dont want our young guys to be beaten black and blue for the full 82 games. We need to spell them sometimes. Plus with the injury history of our bigs... i dont want Franz to play C and Okeke play PF just cuz we have no one else to throw out there.

Hell, we need to get rid of a vet or two. Now that we have Suggs, I don't want Harris stealing ANY minutes from Suggs, RJ, or Fultz at the 2 spot.

My ideal lineup halfway through the year once JI and Fultz are back:

WCj/Bamba
JI/ Ennis
Franz/Okeke/MCW
RJ/Fultz
Suggs/Cole

Where does Ross or Harris get playing time? They aren't scrubs but we can't have the 4 young guys sit either. Ennis and MCW are good vets to keep around but are they willing to play a reduced role on a bad team?

We could use another C and PF... if only we had a high 2nd round pick to draft one...

Cmon lets look at reality. Thats 82 games.. some are back to.back some are 3 games in 5 nights. Then not to mention the quick flights, practices and etc. Thats gonna leave a lot of guys esp those with not yet fully developed bodies sore and inury-prone.

I dont want our recent history of 1st rd picks not being to play in their 1st year cuz of injuries lol

Somehow, other teams find a way to play 10 or less guys without having a crazy amount of injuries. Let me ask you this, just looking at the guard spots. How do you divide 96 minutes between: Cole, MCW, Fultz, RJ, Harris, Ross, and Suggs??? Yes, MCW and Ross are capable of getting minutes at the SF spot but then that eats into Franz' and Okeke's minutes. Give me your minutes breakdown of how you would average it all out?

[Bensational]

Fournier to the Knicks ey? Scott Perry really liked what he started back here it seems. AG to the Knicks next offseason, lol.

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[Knightro]

So ultimately given the protections on that first round pick...

The Pelicans traded Lonzo Ball for Devonte Graham, Tomas Satoransky and Garrett Temple.

[thelead]

Fournier to the Knicks ey? Scott Perry really liked what he started back here it seems. AG to the Knicks next offseason, lol.

The players were never the problem here. I would still take Vuc, Evan, and AG on my roster... the problem is inflated roles and numbers that led to inflated salaries.

For example, Vuc is Brook Lopez minus defense. Evan is a solid spot up shooter that was overused here. AG is a glue guy that has no business having anything run for him on offense.

[PrimeThyme]

David Griffin is one of the worst GM's in recent memory. He's running a master class on how to lose a Superstar.

[RookieStar]

Hell, we need to get rid of a vet or two. Now that we have Suggs, I don't want Harris stealing ANY minutes from Suggs, RJ, or Fultz at the 2 spot.

My ideal lineup halfway through the year once JI and Fultz are back:

WCj/Bamba
JI/ Ennis
Franz/Okeke/MCW
RJ/Fultz
Suggs/Cole

Where does Ross or Harris get playing time? They aren't scrubs but we can't have the 4 young guys sit either. Ennis and MCW are good vets to keep around but are they willing to play a reduced role on a bad team?

We could use another C and PF... if only we had a high 2nd round pick to draft one...

Cmon lets look at reality. Thats 82 games.. some are back to.back some are 3 games in 5 nights. Then not to mention the quick flights, practices and etc. Thats gonna leave a lot of guys esp those with not yet fully developed bodies sore and inury-prone.

I dont want our recent history of 1st rd picks not being to play in their 1st year cuz of injuries lol

Somehow, other teams find a way to play 10 or less guys without having a crazy amount of injuries. Let me ask you this, just looking at the guard spots. How do you divide 96 minutes between: Cole, MCW, Fultz, RJ, Harris, Ross, and Suggs??? Yes, MCW and Ross are capable of getting minutes at the SF spot but then that eats into Franz' and Okeke's minutes. Give me your minutes breakdown of how you would average it all out?

You asking me if im the coach? Well assuming there are no.injuries ( lol yeah right ) AND Fultz is ready for the opening albeit with our favorite medical staff's " minutes restrictions "

PG - Fultz 15 Suggs 7 Cole 20 MCW 4
SG - Suggs 18 RJ 18 Gary 8 MCW 4
SF - Okeke 15 Wagner 10 Tross 12 RJ 6

Gotta add the SF spot cuz Tross and RJ should play there as well. Also, this is just for the 1st 10games and we will see how things shape up after. Like ia Fultz and Gary really ready to play heavy minutes?

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[SOUL]

I wouldn't worry about minutes too much early on. Injuries (even day to day ones) are always a thing, "rest" for vets, getting creative with small-ball lineups, etc. Plus we're not gonna overload the rooks early either imo.

[thelead]

Cmon lets look at reality. Thats 82 games.. some are back to.back some are 3 games in 5 nights. Then not to mention the quick flights, practices and etc. Thats gonna leave a lot of guys esp those with not yet fully developed bodies sore and inury-prone.

I dont want our recent history of 1st rd picks not being to play in their 1st year cuz of injuries lol

Somehow, other teams find a way to play 10 or less guys without having a crazy amount of injuries. Let me ask you this, just looking at the guard spots. How do you divide 96 minutes between: Cole, MCW, Fultz, RJ, Harris, Ross, and Suggs??? Yes, MCW and Ross are capable of getting minutes at the SF spot but then that eats into Franz' and Okeke's minutes. Give me your minutes breakdown of how you would average it all out?

You asking me if im the coach? Well assuming there are no.injuries ( lol yeah right ) AND Fultz is ready for the opening albeit with our favorite medical staff's " minutes restrictions "

PG - Fultz 15 Suggs 7 Cole 20 MCW 4
SG - Suggs 18 RJ 18 Gary 8 MCW 4
SF - Okeke 15 Wagner 10 Tross 12 RJ 6

Gotta add the SF spot cuz Tross and RJ should play there as well. Also, this is just for the 1st 10games and we will see how things shape up after. Like ia Fultz and Gary really ready to play heavy minutes?

That's exactly what I was looking for. Those numbers just don't make any sense. No one can make sense out of it with how congested the roster is at the moment. If you think Gary Harris will be content with 8mpg and Ross with 12mpg, you don't know what makes these guys tick. Harris and Ross are thinking about their next contracts and if that is what they're expecting to play, they're going to be asking for trades out of here ASAP.

[thelead]

I wouldn't worry about minutes too much early on. Injuries (even day to day ones) are always a thing, "rest" for vets, getting creative with small-ball lineups, etc. Plus we're not gonna overload the rooks early either imo.

I don't worry about 'minutes'. I worry about vets looking for their next payday. Harris and Ross know they are not part of the future here. Why would they be okay with limited minutes or roles?

[SOUL]

I wouldn't worry about minutes too much early on. Injuries (even day to day ones) are always a thing, "rest" for vets, getting creative with small-ball lineups, etc. Plus we're not gonna overload the rooks early either imo.

I don't worry about 'minutes'. I worry about vets looking for their next payday. Harris and Ross know they are not part of the future here. Why would they be okay with limited minutes or roles?

Ross is always going to be Ross so we gotta live with his bad shots.. but he seems to get along with all the young guys, and Harris seems fine. I think we do try to move them but they have no leverage in terms of their skill level to demand a certain amount of minutes. If they're not okay with it, we try to move them even sooner but it seems the front office is being pretty transparent in the direction we're taking and they'd have to be naïve not to realize.

[RookieStar]

Somehow, other teams find a way to play 10 or less guys without having a crazy amount of injuries. Let me ask you this, just looking at the guard spots. How do you divide 96 minutes between: Cole, MCW, Fultz, RJ, Harris, Ross, and Suggs??? Yes, MCW and Ross are capable of getting minutes at the SF spot but then that eats into Franz' and Okeke's minutes. Give me your minutes breakdown of how you would average it all out?

You asking me if im the coach? Well assuming there are no.injuries ( lol yeah right ) AND Fultz is ready for the opening albeit with our favorite medical staff's " minutes restrictions "

PG - Fultz 15 Suggs 7 Cole 20 MCW 4
SG - Suggs 18 RJ 18 Gary 8 MCW 4
SF - Okeke 15 Wagner 10 Tross 12 RJ 6

Gotta add the SF spot cuz Tross and RJ should play there as well. Also, this is just for the 1st 10games and we will see how things shape up after. Like ia Fultz and Gary really ready to play heavy minutes?

That's exactly what I was looking for. Those numbers just don't make any sense. No one can make sense out of it with how congested the roster is at the moment. If you think Gary Harris will be content with 8mpg and Ross with 12mpg, you don't know what makes these guys tick. Harris and Ross are thinking about their next contracts and if that is what they're expecting to play, they're going to be asking for trades out of here ASAP.

Yes but this is just the 1st few ganes.As you said, Ross and Gary are vets thus they know all.about load management, injuries, covid and whatnot that will inevtiably lead to more minutes opening up. Thus, 8 minutes for the first few games could lead 20 the next 10 and so on

[thelead]

I wouldn't worry about minutes too much early on. Injuries (even day to day ones) are always a thing, "rest" for vets, getting creative with small-ball lineups, etc. Plus we're not gonna overload the rooks early either imo.

I don't worry about 'minutes'. I worry about vets looking for their next payday. Harris and Ross know they are not part of the future here. Why would they be okay with limited minutes or roles?

Ross is always going to be Ross so we gotta live with his bad shots.. but he seems to get along with all the young guys, and Harris seems fine. I think we do try to move them but they have no leverage in terms of their skill level to demand a certain amount of minutes. If they're not okay with it, we try to move them even sooner but it seems the front office is being pretty transparent in the direction we're taking and they'd have to be naïve not to realize.

There is definitely going to be a problem though for minutes. Ross is not going to accept sitting and we definitely can't play the young guys less than what they need.

Vets like Ennis and MCW have their roles on a young team like ours. Players that have the chance to get another big pay day will be difficult to manage.

It doesn't matter how cool Ross is with the young guys. If he's not going to get his minutes and numbers, he is not going to be happy here. I foresee it being a problem.

[thelead]

You asking me if im the coach? Well assuming there are no.injuries ( lol yeah right ) AND Fultz is ready for the opening albeit with our favorite medical staff's " minutes restrictions "

PG - Fultz 15 Suggs 7 Cole 20 MCW 4
SG - Suggs 18 RJ 18 Gary 8 MCW 4
SF - Okeke 15 Wagner 10 Tross 12 RJ 6

Gotta add the SF spot cuz Tross and RJ should play there as well. Also, this is just for the 1st 10games and we will see how things shape up after. Like ia Fultz and Gary really ready to play heavy minutes?

That's exactly what I was looking for. Those numbers just don't make any sense. No one can make sense out of it with how congested the roster is at the moment. If you think Gary Harris will be content with 8mpg and Ross with 12mpg, you don't know what makes these guys tick. Harris and Ross are thinking about their next contracts and if that is what they're expecting to play, they're going to be asking for trades out of here ASAP.

Yes but this is just the 1st few ganes.As you said, Ross and Gary are vets thus they know all.about load management, injuries, covid and whatnot that will inevtiably lead to more minutes opening up. Thus, 8 minutes for the first few games could lead 20 the next 10 and so on

I disagree because no one is going to give Ross a 4yr/80m deal while seeing that he's getting random minutes. These guys are always looking out for their next contracts.

[SOUL]

Vets like Ennis and MCW have their roles on a young team like ours. Players that have the chance to get another big pay day will be difficult to manage.

It doesn't matter how cool Ross is with the young guys. If he's not going to get his minutes and numbers, he is not going to be happy here. I foresee it being a problem.

I mean we heard this last few years with forward minutes and at some point we were signing G-League guys and 10 dayers to play for us because we had no depth.

MCW got 25 minutes last year averaging 38/24/61. Bacon got 25 averaging 40/28. Gary Harris 36/36 at 25. I think we're conditioned to think these vets are owed minutes because Clifford let them do whatever despite playing like caca. MCW will still get spot minutes but I would anticipate it not being more than 10-15.

I see Suggs getting 25 mins early on (ramping up throughout the season), Fultz somewhere between 20-25 as he comes back from injury, 26-28 ish for Hampton and Cole. You're looking at around 144 minutes at three positions that these guys can all split if our four young guys get 25 mins a game average at the 1/2/3 spots. That leaves 44 minutes for anybody else like Ross/Harris which imo is more than enough to split even if you overcompensated for Ross (28-30 mins) vs Harris (14-16 mins).

But like I said, I think there will be games some guys just sit out, or if we're getting blown out they won't play much, etc. I don't like worrying about things that aren't a guarantee. I remember we had a 10 page thread if Fultz would even play the season we acquired him because there was no news about his shoulder, people predicting he wouldn't play a game, then he literally starts playing in preseason. If Ross gets mad, who cares. He knows the direction. There's still minutes for him there imo.

[RookieStar]

That's exactly what I was looking for. Those numbers just don't make any sense. No one can make sense out of it with how congested the roster is at the moment. If you think Gary Harris will be content with 8mpg and Ross with 12mpg, you don't know what makes these guys tick. Harris and Ross are thinking about their next contracts and if that is what they're expecting to play, they're going to be asking for trades out of here ASAP.

Yes but this is just the 1st few ganes.As you said, Ross and Gary are vets thus they know all.about load management, injuries, covid and whatnot that will inevtiably lead to more minutes opening up. Thus, 8 minutes for the first few games could lead 20 the next 10 and so on

I disagree because no one is going to give Ross a 4yr/80m deal while seeing that he's getting random minutes. These guys are always looking out for their next contracts.

Well we will see how it shapes out then. I just learned my lesson with our PF drought 2 seasons ago and our PG problem last season not to get ahead and claim an overloaded problem.

[SOUL]

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