2023-2024 Regular Season Game 10/In-Season Tournament Game 1: Orlando Magic (5-4) at Brooklyn Nets (5-5) - 7:30pm

[KillMonger]

Jordan Hawkins had 25 points on five threes tonight. At some point we gotta start wondering if the FO dropped the ball by taking Jett.

Hawkins is getting major minutes and is getting to jack up a ton of shots. He has also had 2-13 from 3 nights. Yes, you read that right. A rookie, on a team with 3 legit scorers, got to take THIRTEEN 3's in one game. He's averaging close to NINE 3PTA per game. We can have a conversation about Jett once he starts getting real minutes.

Thank you, some sanity

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[Knightro]

It's so much easier to just let Paolo develop than to trade away young talent with potential for a vet some other team doesn't want.

It doesn't have to be an either or scenario though.

None of Jalen Green or Jabari Smith or Alperen Sengun's respective developments have been being stunted in any way by the Rockets going from Kevin Porter Jr at point guard to Fred VanVleet.

And FVV is a guy that 90% of this board would have and will still argue (incorrectly) is some ballhog chucking loser.

They're winning games and playing great and both FVV and Brooks, both contracts that were absolutely roasted by many, have been a huge part of that for them.

And they still have 21 year old Sengun, 21 year old Green, 20 year old Smith, 22 year old Eason, 20 year old Thompson, and 19 year old Whitmore's development still happening in real time to lift their overall ceiling.

The Magic could dramatically upgrade their roster via trades without touching Paolo, Franz, Suggs, Black or Jett.

[Knightro]

Okay so if they make 1 more 3 they would be in the top 10 of 3pt FG% which was a good enough % for the Nuggets to win last year. So let's stop talking about the 3.

And thank you for also pointing out 1 more made 3 a game would jump them up in ORTG.

They can find that 1 more 3 with who they have on the roster. Hell they'd probably be there if Harris didn't get hurt.

Thanks.

You brought up three pointers tonight, not me.

I have only said tonight and the last couple of weeks that the Magic need a point guard who can stabilize things in a halfcourt setting, create easier shot opportunities for everybody, and also knock down open shots on the possessions that Paolo/Franz create.

And there have been several people who are aghast at that idea and somehow thing it would hurt Paolo and Franz's development.

[KillMonger]

This "by committee" stuff ain't it mose.... You got Richard Jefferson wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... You got haslem roasting us on national TV wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... I'm starting to wonder if Mose even has an offensive identity.....it seems he has a "phrase" every season.... Last year it was, "we're going to play with pace space and the pass" this year it's "we're doing it by committee" what's it going to be next year I wonder?

This should've been a big game for P5, like a 30 or 40 ball but..... Its hard for that to happen when he'll get a touch then won't see the ball for the next 3 possessions because we're doing it "by committee" trying to keep everyone happy isn't how it's done in today's NBA.... Stars run the league and we need to play through them a bit more... Franz and paolo should both be approaching if not surpassing 20 shots per

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[thelead]

I will say, the kid gloves need to come off. Mosley loves to ease guys in but it's just not working. We're playing Black as if he is some 2nd round pick that is just lucky to be playing in the NBA and asking him to just not screw things up. He was a consensus top 10 pick with many scouts having him top 5. WTF good is it to have him bring the ball up and then run to a corner?

[JF5]

This "by committee" stuff ain't it mose.... You got Richard Jefferson wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... You got haslem roasting us on national TV wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... I'm starting to wonder if Mose even has an offensive identity.....it seems he has a "phrase" every season.... Last year it was, "we're going to play with pace space and the pass" this year it's "we're doing it by committee" what's it going to be next year I wonder?

This should've been a big game for P5, like a 30 or 40 ball but..... Its hard for that to happen when he'll get a touch then won't see the ball for the next 3 possessions because we're doing it "by committee" trying to keep everyone happy isn't how it's done in today's NBA.... Stars run the league and we need to play through them a bit more... Franz and paolo should both be approaching if not surpassing 20 shots per

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I don't like how former NBA players say stuff like this. The TEAM full of young players does not get better if Paolo is taking 25+ shots a game. Paolo's game doesn't become more diverse if he jacks it up 30 times a game. He needs to work on the off ball stuff and the little things that will make him and his team better down the road.

[thelead]

This "by committee" stuff ain't it mose.... You got Richard Jefferson wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... You got haslem roasting us on national TV wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... I'm starting to wonder if Mose even has an offensive identity.....it seems he has a "phrase" every season.... Last year it was, "we're going to play with pace space and the pass" this year it's "we're doing it by committee" what's it going to be next year I wonder?

This should've been a big game for P5, like a 30 or 40 ball but..... Its hard for that to happen when he'll get a touch then won't see the ball for the next 3 possessions because we're doing it "by committee" trying to keep everyone happy isn't how it's done in today's NBA.... Stars run the league and we need to play through them a bit more... Franz and paolo should both be approaching if not surpassing 20 shots per

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Fun fact: Victor Wembanyama is averaging more FGA per game than Paolo.

I'd love to know Paolo's FGA per game rank. I bet it would be comical.

[eyriq]

I will say, the kid gloves need to come off. Mosley loves to ease guys in but it's just not working. We're playing Black as if he is some 2nd round pick that is just lucky to be playing in the NBA and asking him to just not screw things up. He was a consensus top 10 pick with many scouts having him top 5. WTF good is it to have him bring the ball up and then run to a corner?

4 mins to go in the 3rd Mosley subbed out Black. We had a 6 point lead. We finish the quarter down 2. Black doesn't come back in till garbage time, when an in-season tournament game shouldn't have garbage time. Mosley needs to trust Black.

[eyriq]

This "by committee" stuff ain't it mose.... You got Richard Jefferson wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... You got haslem roasting us on national TV wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... I'm starting to wonder if Mose even has an offensive identity.....it seems he has a "phrase" every season.... Last year it was, "we're going to play with pace space and the pass" this year it's "we're doing it by committee" what's it going to be next year I wonder?

This should've been a big game for P5, like a 30 or 40 ball but..... Its hard for that to happen when he'll get a touch then won't see the ball for the next 3 possessions because we're doing it "by committee" trying to keep everyone happy isn't how it's done in today's NBA.... Stars run the league and we need to play through them a bit more... Franz and paolo should both be approaching if not surpassing 20 shots per

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Fun fact: Victor Wembanyama is averaging more FGA per game than Paolo.

I'd love to know Paolo's FGA per game rank. I bet it would be comical.

By committee offense and deep benching lotto talent are two strategies that drive me bonkers.

[SOUL]

I mean, most of the NBA is just motion offenses and sometimes you'll have set play designs. Paolo was doing some weird stuff out there passing up open shots for worse attempts from others. I really think people miss the mark on how much coaches control in terms of non-drawn up plays.

[thelead]

I really think people miss the mark on how much coaches control in terms of non-drawn up plays.

In a game? Sure.

Over the course of the season? That's kinda the coach's job... to set structure, develop strategies, and set goals.

[SOUL]

I really think people miss the mark on how much coaches control in terms of non-drawn up plays.

In a game? Sure.

Over the course of the season? That's kinda the coach's job... to set structure, develop strategies, and set goals.

Yeah, but people phrase it as if coaches are going in the huddles reminding them that they can't shoot over 15 times and controlling their brains in motion offenses to not shoot open shots. You can scheme and set up plays for guys, but cannot will a player to be aggressive. Most players like to get their buckets within the flow of the offense.

Like that random game where Franz shot 26 or 28 times or something, I don't think they suddenly just said "F doing it by committee" - Franz was just aggressive and found himself with a lot of opportunities. They're still young and learning where they need to get their offense and just how selfish to be.

[pepe1991]

I see you guys have no issues having drama without me

I tapped out with 6 min to play in 4th, after Spancer's 3+1.

I'm still in birthday's mood so i won't get into anything here, but one thing got me. Isaac played very poor defense at C. He has bad habbit of overhelping guard and leaving his man , there were at least 4 possessions where he simply allowed Nets big to walk into dunk or layup behind his back because he was too focused on ballhandler.
Maybe in past he was athletic enough to recover, but this game in particular it was very obvious he isn't used to defend as center.

Ofc we didn't lost game because of Isaac's defensive lapses, but it was one thing that really striked me as odd.
We rely on guys who aren't good shooters to make shots. That's always dangerous game to play.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Am I losing it or are you guys arguing about trading or keeping players when none of us have the power to do either? We cannot trade away a single player to get back another player. Why do you guys argue and get mad at each other for this?

[Orl_Magic]

This FO missed huge in 2018 draft. We went for length over multi- faceted players who played great in ncaa tourment games. SGA, Mikal Bridges... I cant trust this FO anymore.

[thelead]

This "by committee" stuff ain't it mose.... You got Richard Jefferson wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... You got haslem roasting us on national TV wondering why paolo isn't getting more shots.... I'm starting to wonder if Mose even has an offensive identity.....it seems he has a "phrase" every season.... Last year it was, "we're going to play with pace space and the pass" this year it's "we're doing it by committee" what's it going to be next year I wonder?

This should've been a big game for P5, like a 30 or 40 ball but..... Its hard for that to happen when he'll get a touch then won't see the ball for the next 3 possessions because we're doing it "by committee" trying to keep everyone happy isn't how it's done in today's NBA.... Stars run the league and we need to play through them a bit more... Franz and paolo should both be approaching if not surpassing 20 shots per

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Fun fact: Victor Wembanyama is averaging more FGA per game than Paolo.

I'd love to know Paolo's FGA per game rank. I bet it would be comical.

Paolo ranks 54th in FGA per game.

Here are some players getting more shots up than Paolo:

Keegan Murray
Gordon Hayward
Shaedon Sharpe
Caris LeVert
Nikola Vučević
Tyler Herro
Cam Thomas

Way to build up a star Mose...

He doesn't need to be in the top 10 but on this offensively inept team, he should be getting way more looks than he's currently getting.

[Orl_Magic]

We need to figure out how to bust zone defense without turning the ball over or jacking 3s. There are 4 easy ways.

1. High post, which we do but Mo has to flash and then make a quick move to disrupt the D. Currently our high post just holds the ball way too long before making a move. This allows the zone to encircle the high post man.

2. Dunker spot. Cut back door or lob. In highschool my coach would have us run side line to side line back dooring constantly if we had a zone thrown at us. It works.

3. Load the corners. Make 1 guy in the zone guard 2 players. Someones going to come help which creates a hole.

4. Multiple Screens. 2 high ball screens will overhelm. confuse, disrupt, put pressure on the zone.

This is basic stuff it worries me this team struggles with it. Makes me wonder what Moses is doing

[Bensational]

C. If you go back and look, you'll see that I've quite literally used the phrase "I wish they'd pick a lane" about 50 times in the days, weeks and months leading up to the season and even into the season. I don't care which lane they pick, but they're trying to do both and inevitably it's going to end up with them barely making or outright missing the play in, but not having a clue whether or not Black and Howard can even be heavy minute guys on a team with real expectations next season.

If the Magic want to actually try and win games, then make some trades and get some better talent in here.

If the Magic aren't concerned with winning games and want to maximize development, then stick Black and Jett and Houstan in the rotation. Put Black on the ball every play and force him to initiate pick and rolls and live with the inevitable mistakes and consequences. It'

I know you used that line a lot, it’s why I used it, because the way you’re talking about Black is similar. He’s a PG but you don’t want to give him minutes at PG because he’s not a good enough PG yet. So do you want his development prioritised or do you want winning prioritised? I’m not sure what you’re advocating for.

FVV could have been a good addition, but his role here would be very different. Houston don’t have a young playmaker and offensive engine like Paolo or even Franz. They’ve got Amen who has a similar profile to Black. Without Fred, their young core isn’t good enough to propel itself, but ours is. More than that, Paolo in particular isn’t a good off-ball player. Or he isn’t committed to moving off ball the way he likes to be prepared on the wings for a kick out. Whatever it is, his offense just doesn’t get going the way it does when he’s running point.

We’ll add that backcourt guy you’re talking about eventually, but this season is better spent letting Paolo and Black develop rather than try to stack the deck too early.

[drsd]

Trade Anthony Black now. He is a scrub. The future of the PG slot is clearly in Fultz.

Spoiler:

The above clearly is toned in "green font". My point is that rookie PGs are always horrible. Black should not be starting. The Magic will fail to make the playoffs with him as anything more than a practice player and emergency 3rd stringer.

[Ralof]

We need a veteran PG that can shoot the 3.

then we will need a better center than Wcj.
then a better sixth man than anthony and totally better and different bench.
then a better coach than mosley.
at some point even a better front office and why not,a new ownership.