Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[zaymon]

The big question I have for this off-season is if we add a significant contract before the window closes due to Suggs/Franz extensions?

If we do, I hope they target the center position. This won't take the ball out of Franz's and Paolo's hands, and it won't block AB, Suggs, or Jett.

If we don't it will present a super interesting counterfactual talking point for seasons to come. It's pretty close to a "use it out lose it" asset that is extremely valuable.

It needs to be a guard. You saw our late game offense last night right ? Low maintence center like a little bit smarter goga is enough.
We still can bring some heavier salary for the next 2 years, but is it even a good idea ? We have 2 max players with Franz and Paolo. It would need to be a veteran whose contract would end in 2 years, but then why pay a lot of assets if we cant pay him after those 2 years ?

[eyriq]

The big question I have for this off-season is if we add a significant contract before the window closes due to Suggs/Franz extensions?

If we do, I hope they target the center position. This won't take the ball out of Franz's and Paolo's hands, and it won't block AB, Suggs, or Jett.

If we don't it will present a super interesting counterfactual talking point for seasons to come. It's pretty close to a "use it out lose it" asset that is extremely valuable.

It needs to be a guard. You saw our late game offense last night right ? Low maintence center like a little bit smarter goga is enough.
We still can bring some heavier salary for the next 2 years, but is it even a good idea ? We have 2 max players with Franz and Paolo. It would need to be a veteran whose contract would end in 2 years, but then why pay a lot of assets if we cant pay him after those 2 years ?

I know that's the popular view but I don't agree at all. For better or worse we have three lotto picks invested in our backcourt. We really going to invest our pre-extension cap space into it as well? It just doesn't make sense to do it.

[GelbeWand09]

The big question I have for this off-season is if we add a significant contract before the window closes due to Suggs/Franz extensions?

If we do, I hope they target the center position. This won't take the ball out of Franz's and Paolo's hands, and it won't block AB, Suggs, or Jett.

If we don't it will present a super interesting counterfactual talking point for seasons to come. It's pretty close to a "use it or lose it" asset that is extremely valuable.

I mean they have to. When not they failed. One of the biggest pros of a rebuild is having the caproom to get a big contract while your young stars are on rookie contracts. When not they wasted one of the biggest assets we have.

[zaymon]

The big question I have for this off-season is if we add a significant contract before the window closes due to Suggs/Franz extensions?

If we do, I hope they target the center position. This won't take the ball out of Franz's and Paolo's hands, and it won't block AB, Suggs, or Jett.

If we don't it will present a super interesting counterfactual talking point for seasons to come. It's pretty close to a "use it out lose it" asset that is extremely valuable.

It needs to be a guard. You saw our late game offense last night right ? Low maintence center like a little bit smarter goga is enough.
We still can bring some heavier salary for the next 2 years, but is it even a good idea ? We have 2 max players with Franz and Paolo. It would need to be a veteran whose contract would end in 2 years, but then why pay a lot of assets if we cant pay him after those 2 years ?

I know that's the popular view but I don't agree at all. For better or worse we have three lotto picks invested in our backcourt. We really going to invest our pre-extension cap space into it as well? It just doesn't make sense to do it.

Well i am not saying you are wrong our center position also needs work, but there are very few centers worth big money. Good guard is much easier to get. A lot will depend on improvement of our said lotto backcourt. Goga and WCJ are closer to starting caliber centers than Cole and Fultz. Black is a wild card but i dont see offensive mastermind, Howard is more of a scorer. If its Young vs Claxton ?? I dont think we can get Embiid.

[RichCollab]

The big question I have for this off-season is if we add a significant contract before the window closes due to Suggs/Franz extensions?

If we do, I hope they target the center position. This won't take the ball out of Franz's and Paolo's hands, and it won't block AB, Suggs, or Jett.

If we don't it will present a super interesting counterfactual talking point for seasons to come. It's pretty close to a "use it out lose it" asset that is extremely valuable.

It needs to be a guard. You saw our late game offense last night right ? Low maintence center like a little bit smarter goga is enough.
We still can bring some heavier salary for the next 2 years, but is it even a good idea ? We have 2 max players with Franz and Paolo. It would need to be a veteran whose contract would end in 2 years, but then why pay a lot of assets if we cant pay him after those 2 years ?

I know that's the popular view but I don't agree at all. For better or worse we have three lotto picks invested in our backcourt. We really going to invest our pre-extension cap space into it as well? It just doesn't make sense to do it.

I’m resigning Goga. I don’t think we need an upgrade at center. Replace Harris and Fultz. Conley and Monk if we can’t get anything bigger.

We need a solid 3rd option that can shoot from 3.

[eyriq]

I’m resigning Goga. I don’t think we need an upgrade at center. Replace Harris and Fultz. Conley and Monk if we can’t get anything bigger.

We need a solid 3rd option that can shoot from 3.

This is what I mean. This is focused on upgrading Fultz and Harris, who are already blocking AB and Jett, while doubling down on our big rotation, which has by far the lowest investment of any position. Just an extremely inefficient use of resources.

[RichCollab]

I’m resigning Goga. I don’t think we need an upgrade at center. Replace Harris and Fultz. Conley and Monk if we can’t get anything bigger.

We need a solid 3rd option that can shoot from 3.

This is what I mean. This is focused on upgrading Fultz and Harris, who are already blocking AB and Jett, while doubling down on our big rotation, which has by far the lowest investment of any position. Just an extremely inefficient use of resources.

We are solid at center. Claxton isn’t an upgrade for me.

Let’s say Black develops and is the PG of the future for us that would dramatically change who we need at center.

[eyriq]

One interesting angle is that Weltman invests our pre-extension cap space into two "2 year, second year as a team option" contracts, and tries to consolidate those contracts + draft equity via trade down the road. In a way this would allow them to "save" our pre-extension cap space, though with the cost of draft equity.

[CocoaFan]

I’m resigning Goga. I don’t think we need an upgrade at center. Replace Harris and Fultz. Conley and Monk if we can’t get anything bigger.

We need a solid 3rd option that can shoot from 3.

This is what I mean. This is focused on upgrading Fultz and Harris, who are already blocking AB and Jett, while doubling down on our big rotation, which has by far the lowest investment of any position. Just an extremely inefficient use of resources.

We are solid at center. Claxton isn’t an upgrade for me.

Let’s say Black develops and is the PG of the future for us that would dramatically change who we need at center.

I could be wrong but I don't think the FO is looking for a Trae Young/Dejounte Murray type to upgrade our PG. I think they want to see if Black is the answer and sign a good offensive weapon like Malik Monk to start and see if Black can displace him. If he does Black would start and Monk would back him up. Cole would probably have to be traded in that scenario.

[Skybox]

Note to haters:

If me proposing a trade for Poole a year ago, when he was scoring 20ppg on a championship team, in the shadow of the Splash Bros. is now your evidence that "trades are bad trades", I'm sorry it landed on you that hard.

Hopefully, all of the other trade proposals have softened the blow a little bit.

[Ducklett]

Note to haters:

If me proposing a trade for Poole a year ago, when he was scoring 20ppg on a championship team, in the shadow of the Splash Bros. is now your evidence that "trades are bad trades", I'm sorry it landed on you that hard.

Hopefully, all of the other trade proposals have softened the blow a little bit.

I don't think many people think trades are bad trades, they think that skybox trades are bad trades! :p

With that being said, skybox or anyone, can you explain how exactly the 2026 pick swap we have with the Suns which is also entangled by WAS works?

[orlando_joe]

i see black taking fultz min ..starting 20-25 min depends how cole is playing
i see jett taking harris min off bench 15- 20 min
comes down to goga re-sign go for center in draft ..or best shooter in guard spot
then you wait for big trade hold assets for right player to come available
sign a couple 1+/1 vet contracts
i do not like any of the fa as big long term contracts keep flexible

[Skybox]

Note to haters:

If me proposing a trade for Poole a year ago, when he was scoring 20ppg on a championship team, in the shadow of the Splash Bros. is now your evidence that "trades are bad trades", I'm sorry it landed on you that hard.

Hopefully, all of the other trade proposals have softened the blow a little bit.

I don't think many people think trades are bad trades, they think that skybox trades are bad trades! :p

lol...I can live with that

[CocoaFan]

One interesting angle is that Weltman invests our pre-extension cap space into two "2 year, second year as a team option" contracts, and tries to consolidate those contracts + draft equity via trade down the road. In a way this would allow them to "save" our pre-extension cap space, though with the cost of draft equity.

That angle goes away when Franz and Suggs sign their extensions. The clocking is ticking on Weltman kicking the can down the road. He's going to be forced to make a decision and either do nothing or use the cap space this summer or the next trade deadline. Sure seems he would like to use it based on how hard he's been trying to save it?

[RichCollab]

Note to haters:

If me proposing a trade for Poole a year ago, when he was scoring 20ppg on a championship team, in the shadow of the Splash Bros. is now your evidence that "trades are bad trades", I'm sorry it landed on you that hard.

Hopefully, all of the other trade proposals have softened the blow a little bit.

I don't think many people think trades are bad trades, they think that skybox trades are bad trades! :p

With that being said, skybox or anyone, can you explain how exactly the 2026 pick swap we have with the Suns which is also entangled by WAS works?

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[Skybox]

Note to haters:

If me proposing a trade for Poole a year ago, when he was scoring 20ppg on a championship team, in the shadow of the Splash Bros. is now your evidence that "trades are bad trades", I'm sorry it landed on you that hard.

Hopefully, all of the other trade proposals have softened the blow a little bit.

I don't think many people think trades are bad trades, they think that skybox trades are bad trades! :p

With that being said, skybox or anyone, can you explain how exactly the 2026 pick swap we have with the Suns which is also entangled by WAS works?

100%

fanboys don't like me proposing reasonable trades where we actually give something back - I get it.

How about Fultz for Simons?

[RichCollab]

I don't think many people think trades are bad trades, they think that skybox trades are bad trades! :p

With that being said, skybox or anyone, can you explain how exactly the 2026 pick swap we have with the Suns which is also entangled by WAS works?

100%

fanboys don't like me proposing reasonable trades where we actually give something back - I get it.

How about Fultz for Simons?

I’m just tired of the noise you create in the forums. You are so unserious.

[orlando_joe]

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fanboys don't like me proposing reasonable trades where we actually give something back - I get it.

How about Fultz for Simons?

I’m just tired of the noise you create in the forums. You are so unserious.

sure and as i have stated add 1 first and even add a couple 2nds but i see that as limit for 1 way player

[orlando_joe]

One interesting angle is that Weltman invests our pre-extension cap space into two "2 year, second year as a team option" contracts, and tries to consolidate those contracts + draft equity via trade down the road. In a way this would allow them to "save" our pre-extension cap space, though with the cost of draft equity.

That angle goes away when Franz and Suggs sign their extensions. The clocking is ticking on Weltman kicking the can down the road. He's going to be forced to make a decision and either do nothing or use the cap space this summer or the next trade deadline. Sure seems he would like to use it based on how hard he's been trying to save it?

not if you keep space with 1/1 always expiring contract to give in trade with picks...you can be in tax and still do trades ..magic a long way from 180 + even once both franz and paolo get extensions and limit goes up avg 10 mill a yr

[orlando_joe]

Note to haters:

If me proposing a trade for Poole a year ago, when he was scoring 20ppg on a championship team, in the shadow of the Splash Bros. is now your evidence that "trades are bad trades", I'm sorry it landed on you that hard.

Hopefully, all of the other trade proposals have softened the blow a little bit.

i can not think of 1?..lol
i mean wcj, isaac ,suggs,black,jett all future picks would be gone..magic would have old or overpaid one way players
with no cap no window and treadmill type team? and that skipping fact you would have traded the paolo pick a yr before the draft and i think franz pick also maybe?

but all good i enjoy it