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pepe1991 wrote:jezzerinho wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
this is from GB ,literally last post.
So what?
Is there anything else to post or write? I mean, pretty much only activity on forum until season starts are endless debates. Feels like perfect place to post just about anything Magic related.
jezzerinho wrote:drsd wrote:I don't understand why there is a discussion. It is clear that for Orlando to win more games it is the offense that must improve. And that that means its two best players must dramatically improve their efficiencies.
That is not just improvising FG% (or eFG%). It is also about taking higher efficiency shots.
Yes the Magic was 26th in 3-ptFG%. Yes the was 26th in ppg.
It's this: The Magic was 23rd in the league last year in NBA Team Offensive Efficiency. The worst team to make the playoffs.
As an aside and off-topic a little bit, the Magic was #1 in the league last year in FTA per FGA. That's wild. I cannot recall any of us noting that.
You make it sound like the answer is to shout "Be Better!!!" at Franz and Paolo.
The answer is better role designation, better fitting roster and better offensive coaching.
drsd wrote:jezzerinho wrote:drsd wrote:I don't understand why there is a discussion. It is clear that for Orlando to win more games it is the offense that must improve. And that that means its two best players must dramatically improve their efficiencies.
That is not just improvising FG% (or eFG%). It is also about taking higher efficiency shots.
Yes the Magic was 26th in 3-ptFG%. Yes the was 26th in ppg.
It's this: The Magic was 23rd in the league last year in NBA Team Offensive Efficiency. The worst team to make the playoffs.
As an aside and off-topic a little bit, the Magic was #1 in the league last year in FTA per FGA. That's wild. I cannot recall any of us noting that.
You make it sound like the answer is to shout "Be Better!!!" at Franz and Paolo.
The answer is better role designation, better fitting roster and better offensive coaching.
When you stated: "the answer is to shout "Be Better!!!", that is not at all what I meant. In red is the point I meant. The set offense is led my coaching choices. Last year coach Mosley let the forward play Heroball a lot, which I assume, was for them to develop in-game skills.
What whatever Mosley wanted last year needs to be left in last year.
This year the Magic need better offensive sets. More efficient set plays means a lot more PnRs, and a lot more passing in general. Historically this has been a high TO team. So I guess the "be better" is for the forward to limit TOs as they develop post and PnR games.
In conclusion: I blame coach for the offensive offense, not he players.
thelead wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Franz
People want to bury their heads in the sand like it isn’t an issue for a SF in 2024. We gave this guy a max contract. He needs to get back up to at least 34-35% from deep.
pepe1991 wrote:So..AJ Griffin considers retirement.
Gotta love work ethic of this generation, he worked really hard, it's really his time. After all, he is already 21.
jezzerinho wrote:drsd wrote:I don't understand why there is a discussion. It is clear that for Orlando to win more games it is the offense that must improve. And that that means its two best players must dramatically improve their efficiencies.
That is not just improvising FG% (or eFG%). It is also about taking higher efficiency shots.
Yes the Magic was 26th in 3-ptFG%. Yes the was 26th in ppg.
It's this: The Magic was 23rd in the league last year in NBA Team Offensive Efficiency. The worst team to make the playoffs.
As an aside and off-topic a little bit, the Magic was #1 in the league last year in FTA per FGA. That's wild. I cannot recall any of us noting that.
You make it sound like the answer is to shout "Be Better!!!" at Franz and Paolo.
The answer is better role designation, better fitting roster and better offensive coaching.
The reason TS% is so correlated to usage is that when your team is able to avoid running many offensive sets that result in poor shots/spots for your star players, efficiency goes way up.
How do you do that?
Set the damn table. Have alternatives that defences have to respect. Have somebody who can read opponent tendencies and pick the right play.
Do that and Franz/Paolo become way more efficient because their usage will drop by all the boneheaded forcefed hero plays, in favour of higher outcome team plays.
Its.the opposite of putting the blame on their shoulders and telling them to get better. Its replacing their low outcome plays they probably never wanted to take anyway, in favour of a good play from someone else or of a tablesetter putting them in better spots.
jezzerinho wrote:pepe1991 wrote:So..AJ Griffin considers retirement.
Gotta love work ethic of this generation, he worked really hard, it's really his time. After all, he is already 21.
Lol that you think someone can make it to the NBA without an insane work ethic. Gimme a break Pepe.
Coaches son. Probably was playing when he was in diapers. Probably micro-coached for the past 15 years. Who knows why he wants to stop. Burned out? Never loved BB in the first place? Has other things he wants to achieve more than this?
Good luck to him. Like he owes me anything...
jezzerinho wrote:thelead wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Franz
People want to bury their heads in the sand like it isn’t an issue for a SF in 2024. We gave this guy a max contract. He needs to get back up to at least 34-35% from deep.
Nonsense. Nobody thinks Franz is fine at his current 3pt% level, on the vol of attempts and the need we have for shooting. Nobody.
But that graph is at best misleading. Its a tiny volume of shots for Franz. Which, true, he's been poor at scoring from. But its no real indicator of anything.
I listened to Jeff Turner on the 6th Man. He had an interesting take. Thinks Franz is feeling the pressure to score from 3 because so few others are and, as such, hes aiming at the hoop too much rather than trusting his form and letting it fly. Jeffs take was that when you tend to try to aim too much your mechanics flatten out.
Thinks more shooting around Franz will take the pressure off and get him out of his head.
It all stands to reason. But I still dont love Franz new shot mechanics. When he had the "gather dip" in his rookie year, the upward trajectory of his motion was more fluid and finished higher. His new form, to me, is choppier, from the arms and finishes lower than it should.
pepe1991 wrote:jezzerinho wrote:pepe1991 wrote:So..AJ Griffin considers retirement.
Gotta love work ethic of this generation, he worked really hard, it's really his time. After all, he is already 21.
Lol that you think someone can make it to the NBA without an insane work ethic. Gimme a break Pepe.
Coaches son. Probably was playing when he was in diapers. Probably micro-coached for the past 15 years. Who knows why he wants to stop. Burned out? Never loved BB in the first place? Has other things he wants to achieve more than this?
Good luck to him. Like he owes me anything...
His daddy pretty much said he considers retirement because he is not playing enough. Can be babied more? Probably has career because his daddy manufactured him one with all connections.
Guy was first round pick based on 10 ppg as 5th option on Duke.
And no, it really doesn't take "insain work ethic to get to nba" : case and point: Bamba, Bol, Maker, Darko MIlicic etc.
There are people who were last year in nba and this summer were cut from Euroleague teams because they actually- suck ( Luka Šamanić for example , from Fenerbache).
This myth of "ultra work ethic required" is just that, a myth. You need ultra work ethic to be elite and last for years & decades,but there are players every year that are talentless but just won genetic jackpot (Bamba, Biyombo etc), players who are talented but don't give a damn etc.
I have good friend who is in close circle of friend with Dario Saric, things 76ers players did in 2019 aren't for public ears. I'll just stop there.
Skybox wrote:Beat me to it. ..also yelling at Suggs to “play like Chris Paul” could help
pepe1991 wrote:jezzerinho wrote:pepe1991 wrote:So..AJ Griffin considers retirement.
Gotta love work ethic of this generation, he worked really hard, it's really his time. After all, he is already 21.
Lol that you think someone can make it to the NBA without an insane work ethic. Gimme a break Pepe.
Coaches son. Probably was playing when he was in diapers. Probably micro-coached for the past 15 years. Who knows why he wants to stop. Burned out? Never loved BB in the first place? Has other things he wants to achieve more than this?
Good luck to him. Like he owes me anything...
His daddy pretty much said he considers retirement because he is not playing enough. Can be babied more? Probably has career because his daddy manufactured him one with all connections.
Guy was first round pick based on 10 ppg as 5th option on Duke.
And no, it really doesn't take "insain work ethic to get to nba" : case and point: Bamba, Bol, Maker, Darko MIlicic etc.
There are people who were last year in nba and this summer were cut from Euroleague teams because they actually- suck ( Luka Šamanić for example , from Fenerbache).
This myth of "ultra work ethic required" is just that, a myth. You need ultra work ethic to be elite and last for years & decades,but there are players every year that are talentless but just won genetic jackpot (Bamba, Biyombo etc), players who are talented but don't give a damn etc.
I have good friend who is in close circle of friend with Dario Saric, things 76ers players did in 2019 aren't for public ears. I'll just stop there.
jezzerinho wrote:pepe1991 wrote:So..AJ Griffin considers retirement.
Gotta love work ethic of this generation, he worked really hard, it's really his time. After all, he is already 21.
Lol that you think someone can make it to the NBA without an insane work ethic. Gimme a break Pepe.
Coaches son. Probably was playing when he was in diapers. Probably micro-coached for the past 15 years. Who knows why he wants to stop. Burned out? Never loved BB in the first place? Has other things he wants to achieve more than this?
Good luck to him. Like he owes me anything...
p0peye wrote:jezzerinho wrote:pepe1991 wrote:So..AJ Griffin considers retirement.
Gotta love work ethic of this generation, he worked really hard, it's really his time. After all, he is already 21.
Lol that you think someone can make it to the NBA without an insane work ethic. Gimme a break Pepe.
Coaches son. Probably was playing when he was in diapers. Probably micro-coached for the past 15 years. Who knows why he wants to stop. Burned out? Never loved BB in the first place? Has other things he wants to achieve more than this?
Good luck to him. Like he owes me anything...
Darko Miličić (and he is far from being an outlier) spent a decade in NBA with absolutely no work ethics, in his own words and words of people around him. There are many more like him, that are lot less known and talked about.
pepe1991 wrote:jezzerinho wrote:pepe1991 wrote:So..AJ Griffin considers retirement.
Gotta love work ethic of this generation, he worked really hard, it's really his time. After all, he is already 21.
Lol that you think someone can make it to the NBA without an insane work ethic. Gimme a break Pepe.
Coaches son. Probably was playing when he was in diapers. Probably micro-coached for the past 15 years. Who knows why he wants to stop. Burned out? Never loved BB in the first place? Has other things he wants to achieve more than this?
Good luck to him. Like he owes me anything...
His daddy pretty much said he considers retirement because he is not playing enough. Can be babied more? Probably has career because his daddy manufactured him one with all connections.
Guy was first round pick based on 10 ppg as 5th option on Duke.
And no, it really doesn't take "insain work ethic to get to nba" : case and point: Bamba, Bol, Maker, Darko MIlicic etc.
There are people who were last year in nba and this summer were cut from Euroleague teams because they actually- suck ( Luka Šamanić for example , from Fenerbache).
This myth of "ultra work ethic required" is just that, a myth. You need ultra work ethic to be elite and last for years & decades,but there are players every year that are talentless but just won genetic jackpot (Bamba, Biyombo etc), players who are talented but don't give a damn etc.
I have good friend who is in close circle of friend with Dario Saric, things 76ers players did in 2019 aren't for public ears. I'll just stop there.
OrlChamps2030 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:jezzerinho wrote:
Lol that you think someone can make it to the NBA without an insane work ethic. Gimme a break Pepe.
Coaches son. Probably was playing when he was in diapers. Probably micro-coached for the past 15 years. Who knows why he wants to stop. Burned out? Never loved BB in the first place? Has other things he wants to achieve more than this?
Good luck to him. Like he owes me anything...
His daddy pretty much said he considers retirement because he is not playing enough. Can be babied more? Probably has career because his daddy manufactured him one with all connections.
Guy was first round pick based on 10 ppg as 5th option on Duke.
And no, it really doesn't take "insain work ethic to get to nba" : case and point: Bamba, Bol, Maker, Darko MIlicic etc.
There are people who were last year in nba and this summer were cut from Euroleague teams because they actually- suck ( Luka Šamanić for example , from Fenerbache).
This myth of "ultra work ethic required" is just that, a myth. You need ultra work ethic to be elite and last for years & decades,but there are players every year that are talentless but just won genetic jackpot (Bamba, Biyombo etc), players who are talented but don't give a damn etc.
I have good friend who is in close circle of friend with Dario Saric, things 76ers players did in 2019 aren't for public ears. I'll just stop there.
Hmmm I wonder what the difference is between Bamba, Bol, Maker, Biyombo, Darko MIlicic vs AJ Griffin haha
Seriously though if you’re going to speculate that hard, google what happened to Griffin’s nephew. It sounds like he’s had mental health issues ever since
jezzerinho wrote:p0peye wrote:jezzerinho wrote:
Lol that you think someone can make it to the NBA without an insane work ethic. Gimme a break Pepe.
Coaches son. Probably was playing when he was in diapers. Probably micro-coached for the past 15 years. Who knows why he wants to stop. Burned out? Never loved BB in the first place? Has other things he wants to achieve more than this?
Good luck to him. Like he owes me anything...
Darko Miličić (and he is far from being an outlier) spent a decade in NBA with absolutely no work ethics, in his own words and words of people around him. There are many more like him, that are lot less known and talked about.
Ok, so now we're up to about 6 guys who allegedly never worked hard. Out of 5000. Im only being slightly facetious. Of course the vast vast majority of the guys worked their asses off to make it even to an NBA roster.
Whatever guys. AJ Griffin can go be a mailman if he wants and I salute the guy if he's happy doing it.
“Per a source, the Sixers’ training staff was so concerned about what he was eating, they stocked the refrigerator in his downtown hotel residence each week with healthy food,” Brian Geltzeiler shared in a 2015 Sports Illustrated story. “When a staffer went to restock the fridge each week, most everything was uneaten and unopened, and they were throwing out the fruits and vegetables every week. When the team subsequently asked to see Embiid’s room service bill, they found that most days he was ordering junk food along with his signature beverage, a pitcher of Shirley Temples. Embiid also was frequently seen feasting on chicken fingers and hot dogs at and after games.”
VFX wrote:jezzerinho wrote:thelead wrote:People want to bury their heads in the sand like it isn’t an issue for a SF in 2024. We gave this guy a max contract. He needs to get back up to at least 34-35% from deep.
Nonsense. Nobody thinks Franz is fine at his current 3pt% level, on the vol of attempts and the need we have for shooting. Nobody.
But that graph is at best misleading. Its a tiny volume of shots for Franz. Which, true, he's been poor at scoring from. But its no real indicator of anything.
I listened to Jeff Turner on the 6th Man. He had an interesting take. Thinks Franz is feeling the pressure to score from 3 because so few others are and, as such, hes aiming at the hoop too much rather than trusting his form and letting it fly. Jeffs take was that when you tend to try to aim too much your mechanics flatten out.
Thinks more shooting around Franz will take the pressure off and get him out of his head.
It all stands to reason. But I still dont love Franz new shot mechanics. When he had the "gather dip" in his rookie year, the upward trajectory of his motion was more fluid and finished higher. His new form, to me, is choppier, from the arms and finishes lower than it should.
It’s funny because I’ve read this same argument here about the roster construction of this team all last season and I still don’t buy it.
“Adding more shooting” around guys like Paolo, Franz, and Suggs looks like what exactly? KCP? What does that even accomplish? There are few guys in the league that are considered “great” shooters that can also create better opportunities with the ball in their hands.
The answer was to get a point guard capable of drawing pressure on the perimeter and running a pick and roll offense. That implication assumes being able to shoot the basketball.
Franz and Paolo’s shooting numbers would increase if they weren’t tasked with pretending to run offense at the point of attack every possession. KCP is only able to get better looks because of the pressure guys like Jamal Murray and Jokic can create not the other way around.
The offense last season was a bunch of dudes standing around on offense watching Franz and Paolo dance into the paint or settle for low % jumpers. Adding KCP is going to be a lot of the same offense basically. They added nobody that does things “on ball” to claim otherwise.
