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thelead wrote:I promise I knew you would white knight for Mose while I was typing that post
SOUL wrote:thelead wrote:I promise I knew you would white knight for Mose while I was typing that post
That's not white knighting lol. I'm saying what's so impressive about the Pacers doing that when we've done that over the last 2-3 years?
If anything that's slobbering Carlisle when we know damn well if the Pacers had a start like last year we'd be saying the same thing about Carlisle that people are saying about Mose.
Wanna know why? Because Pacers fans were doing just that
thelead wrote:Idiosyncratic wrote:eyriq wrote:You're convinced by an argument that attributes our success to Joe Ingles? You are better than this.
Not Ingles himself. But the bench carried us in 23/24, that is a fact. The young core got too much credit for that season. Franz has always been the one starter rating out highly. Then we went in on a non superstar player knowing that, just because the East is weak and maybe we can hope West team is hurt in finals if we get there? I was trying to cope with Bane trade, but it just doesn't feel that great.
And I still think we can be fine this year, but just thinking bigger picture, not sure we are better off.
That version of Jonathan Isaac was DPOY special. SO sad that it wasn't even an injury that finally did him in. He got his bag and quit on us.
pepe1991 wrote:I would not fire him, but that is not a point, point is: Carlise is way bigger coaching name than Mosley
Knightro wrote:Bane is 27 years old in the prime of his basketball career and has been a really good top 40-45 NBA player for the last four years on teams that won 56, 51 and 48 games in the West.
He didn't forget how to play basketball in the last six months.
The failures of Bane thus far fall very much at the feet of this staff not understanding how to actually utilize him (or anyone else) offensively in ways that maximize anyone's skillset.
Knightro wrote:KCP and Harris combined for over 3,000 minutes of good defense last season. KCP was 83rd percentile and Harris was 95th percentile according to EPM.
Even Cole had statistically the best defensive season of his career last year at 59th percentile EPM.
All those minutes are now being filled by Bane and Tyus who are below average and awful defensively respectively.
Suggs, Black and Franz have seemingly not found their usual strides defensively either. All in all, it's a pretty big bad mess on that end of the floor so far.
Black was +7 going into the game, and Bane was -12.thelead wrote:anyone have stats for the Suggs/Bane pairing and the AB/Bane pairing? Just wondering
Knightro wrote:KCP and Harris combined for over 3,000 minutes of good defense last season. KCP was 83rd percentile and Harris was 95th percentile according to EPM.
Even Cole had statistically the best defensive season of his career last year at 59th percentile EPM.
All those minutes are now being filled by Bane and Tyus who are below average and awful defensively respectively.
Suggs, Black and Franz have seemingly not found their usual strides defensively either. All in all, it's a pretty big bad mess on that end of the floor so far.
SOUL wrote:pepe1991 wrote:I would not fire him, but that is not a point, point is: Carlise is way bigger coaching name than Mosley
TBH this doesn't really work on me though. I do not care what a coach did 15-20 years ago lol. I think most coaches are very similar, most run pretty similar things, and on court play is dictated by players probably up to 80%.
That's not saying I think Carlisle and Spo are bad coaches - it's just that's precisely the reason why they are given long leashes. They won a while ago and know how to coach, but I think most coaches are replaceable, which is why it's funny people think I think Mose is some genius - he isn't, I just think most coaches do very similar stuff if the personnel is the same. He just got guys to buy into defense and play hard. Now, if we can't do that anymore, firing him for that won't bother me, just people thinking we get a new coach and we'll hit threes, free throws, and make less boneheaded decisions... I can sell some snake oil to them.
What's the difference between Malone, Budenholzer, D'Antoni, Stan Van Gundy, Nurse, Bickerstaff, Vogel, Thibs, Jenkins, Monty Williams after they got fired for underperforming after deep playoff runs/finals championships or runs with their teams? Were they all bad enough to get fired because their coaching regressed or was it the easiest thing to do instead of trading players?
Knightro wrote:KCP and Harris combined for over 3,000 minutes of good defense last season. KCP was 83rd percentile and Harris was 95th percentile according to EPM.
Even Cole had statistically the best defensive season of his career last year at 59th percentile EPM.
All those minutes are now being filled by Bane and Tyus who are below average and awful defensively respectively.
Suggs, Black and Franz have seemingly not found their usual strides defensively either. All in all, it's a pretty big bad mess on that end of the floor so far.
thelead wrote:Carlisle was in the finals 4 months ago
basketballRob wrote:One huge mistake was signing Tyus. We could've kept Cojo and Harris for less than what he makes.
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We just traded for Bane and drafted Jase. It was stupid to sign a tiny guard with the roster we had.Husky1 wrote:basketballRob wrote:One huge mistake was signing Tyus. We could've kept Cojo and Harris for less than what he makes.
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It is but it’s not even in the same ball park as giving JI a 70 million extension, Wendell an upgrade to 18M with his new extension, Goga 8M a year, and Mo ( I know he’s injured) but still 8M a year. This year before Dells ridiculous extension kicks in we’re still wasting 40 Million dollars on our 4 Centers. 40 Million!!! No one wastes cap space in a cap space league better than Weltman. He is the #1 problem and this all before I even mention the Bane trade and 2023 AB/Jett draft. He is a deadset terrorist