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zaymon wrote:eyriq wrote:?t=F_efEgK-05vAiur4tDP9-g&s=19
Not the worst target but he is a lot older than FVV, injury prone and worse playmaker.
Not that many good targets with established authority though.
basketballRob wrote:I think if we trade Cole to a team like the Clippers, he may blow up. The Clippers were 4th in offense last season.
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tiderulz wrote:basketballRob wrote:I think if we trade Cole to a team like the Clippers, he may blow up. The Clippers were 4th in offense last season.
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that is the reasoning this front office never does anything.
trade Isaac and risk him blowing up somewhere else.
dont re-sign Fultz, he blows up somewhere else.
dont trade Payton, he could blow up somewhere else.
rinse repeat
basketballRob wrote:I think if we trade Cole to a team like the Clippers, he may blow up. The Clippers were 4th in offense last season.
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My point is that if you put any one of our players on a good offensive team and they'll look better. Everyone on the Magic team had a down shooting year last season.GelbeWand09 wrote:basketballRob wrote:I think if we trade Cole to a team like the Clippers, he may blow up. The Clippers were 4th in offense last season.
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Cole will never blow up. He was a inefficient scorer in College & the NBA. He just cant shoot good enough to offset his height disadvantage.
pepe1991 wrote:Imo Isaac continues to be one of biggest fool's gold we ever had.
He sucked this year. Sucked in playoffs and had heavy min restrictions.
Year prior he had heavy min restrictions, played 58 games on 15,8 mpg. Still sucked in playoffs.
Year prior he played 11 games.
Two years prior he didn't play at all.
Before all that he lasted 34 games.
He never even had okey playoffs. He sucked each and every time . Because only thing he has as player is effort in regular season where he is always in "playoff mode".
Even when you see how some players react in regular season to his defense it's silly. They all have that "bro, chill, we here to coast" face.
Guy at average plays 34 games a year. 7,6 ppg for career.
Averages more millions than min per game. Guy was 57# highest payed player last year ( highest payed player on Magic, for two years in a row ) and was defacto unplayable in playoffs because guy can't hit rock in water in middle of ocean.
His 2025-26 is fully guaranteed.
Has $8M guaranteed + bonus if he suits up for 52 games this year to make $14,5M.
Than same thing repeats itself year after.
btw during his good year, 23-24, all net positive lineups with him have Wagners and Ingles. Because he simply needs somebody to carry offense.
This year, due complete lack of talent off bench on offense, he is part of majority of all the worst 5 men lineups.
Basically his value is depends on ability of somebody else to be elite. Who's doing that for him next year? Black? Jett Howard?
Fortune Teller wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Imo Isaac continues to be one of biggest fool's gold we ever had.
He sucked this year. Sucked in playoffs and had heavy min restrictions.
Year prior he had heavy min restrictions, played 58 games on 15,8 mpg. Still sucked in playoffs.
Year prior he played 11 games.
Two years prior he didn't play at all.
Before all that he lasted 34 games.
He never even had okey playoffs. He sucked each and every time . Because only thing he has as player is effort in regular season where he is always in "playoff mode".
Even when you see how some players react in regular season to his defense it's silly. They all have that "bro, chill, we here to coast" face.
Guy at average plays 34 games a year. 7,6 ppg for career.
Averages more millions than min per game. Guy was 57# highest payed player last year ( highest payed player on Magic, for two years in a row ) and was defacto unplayable in playoffs because guy can't hit rock in water in middle of ocean.
His 2025-26 is fully guaranteed.
Has $8M guaranteed + bonus if he suits up for 52 games this year to make $14,5M.
Than same thing repeats itself year after.
btw during his good year, 23-24, all net positive lineups with him have Wagners and Ingles. Because he simply needs somebody to carry offense.
This year, due complete lack of talent off bench on offense, he is part of majority of all the worst 5 men lineups.
Basically his value is depends on ability of somebody else to be elite. Who's doing that for him next year? Black? Jett Howard?
You even left out another complete season that he missed. He missed all of 20-21 and all of 21-22, and then managed to play 11 games in the 22-23 season.
In the past 5 seasons, the most mpg he's played is 15.8.
In the past 5 seasons, the most rpg he's averaged is 4.5.
In the past 5 seasons, the most ppg he's averaged is 6.8.
All of those "highs" came in the 23-24 season, and by the end of that year he was spent and ineffective in the playoffs. He then followed it up with the worst year of his career (24-25) despite being completely healthy. By the end of last season Mos was barely playing him and once again he was a non-factor in the playoffs.
All of this is so clear and obvious, yet Jeffrey W. and half this board live in some alternate reality where Isaac is some sleeping giant waiting to rise and become Defensive Player of the Year. Never mind that he hasn't hit 16 mgp in the past 5 seasons and is visibly regressing...as he enters his 9 year on this roster.
basketballRob wrote:Maybe you give the Clippers KCP, Cole, and both picks for Harden. Give him a 1 year $35m extension. It's a risk because he's soon to be 36.
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basketballRob wrote:I think if we trade Cole to a team like the Clippers, he may blow up. The Clippers were 4th in offense last season.
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Fortune Teller wrote:All of this is so clear and obvious, yet Jeffrey W. and half this board live in some alternate reality where Isaac is some sleeping giant waiting to rise and become Defensive Player of the Year. Never mind that he hasn't hit 16 mgp in the past 5 seasons and is visibly regressing...as he enters his 9 year on this roster.
tiderulz wrote:zaymon wrote:eyriq wrote:?t=F_efEgK-05vAiur4tDP9-g&s=19
Not the worst target but he is a lot older than FVV, injury prone and worse playmaker.
Not that many good targets with established authority though.
did you know, over the past 3 years, FVV only played 5 more games than CJ?
Knightro wrote:I just want to reiterate...
What Jonathan Isaac did in the 23-24 season was absolutely worth a $15M dollar salary. It just was. He was low minutes, but was as positively impactful as he could possibly be in those low minutes.
+10.9 NET in 16 MPG. No. 1 in the NBA in Defensive EPM by a wide margin.
The Magic not going to get a +10.9 NET and league-leading defensive metrics from anyone they could possibly sign for the full MLE.
The Magic are not going to get a +10.9 NET and league-leading defensive metrics from anyone they could realistically trade for that makes only $15M.
Now obviously they may not get those numbers and metrics from Jonathan Isaac either given his inconsistencies, but they COULD possibly get it since he's already done it once and it was only one season before this most recent one.
I would rather just keep him and see if he can replicate what he did in 23-24 than I would just toss him into a deal as salary filler. And if next season rolls around and he just stinks up the joint, they can use him in a deal as salary filler in January/February just as they would have been able to in July.
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:basketballRob wrote:Maybe you give the Clippers KCP, Cole, and both picks for Harden. Give him a 1 year $35m extension. It's a risk because he's soon to be 36.
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What risk? It probably cost us 1 pick just to get rid of KCP contract alone.
If that deal is on the table you do it without any hesitation.
My only worry/concern is when Harden is checked out he’s CHECKED OUT and not sure if he would have the same umph playing in Orlando as he does in LA.
This is obviously not a longterm move, but it would be fun to see what this team looks like with an elite playmaker that both can score and shoot. Even if it’s for two season.
RichCollab wrote:We paid how much for that? What about all the other money sunk into this?
