Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[eyriq]

Magic are rumored to be targeting someone who’s making around 25 million. So who would fit that who isn’t looking at retiring to be a broadcaster in a year, who isn’t going to miss 30% or more games and provides offense (shooting and playmaking) to our core?

Trey Murphy makes exactly $25M

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Magic are rumored to be targeting someone who’s making around 25 million. So who would fit that who isn’t looking at retiring to be a broadcaster in a year, who isn’t going to miss 30% or more games and provides offense (shooting and playmaking) to our core?

Trey Murphy makes exactly $25M

there's a ton of solid players at 20-25M. Murphy, Reaves, Sexton, Simons, White a ton of other names we've hammered for a year or so.

[RichCollab]

We paid how much for that? What about all the other money sunk into this?

That's just not at all relevant to the here and now though.

We're talking about maximizing the 25-26 NBA season, ya know?

You keep quoting 15 million dollars and then reference a single season. Last season wasn’t good.

Use JI’s long history when making assumptions or you will continue to make bad choices.

[89Magicfan]

Magic are rumored to be targeting someone who’s making around 25 million. So who would fit that who isn’t looking at retiring to be a broadcaster in a year, who isn’t going to miss 30% or more games and provides offense (shooting and playmaking) to our core?

Trey Murphy makes exactly $25M

I see his name pop up quite a bit but I know very little of him.

Reaves is a guy I really think fits with us very well.

[Knightro]

Magic are rumored to be targeting someone who’s making around 25 million. So who would fit that who isn’t looking at retiring to be a broadcaster in a year, who isn’t going to miss 30% or more games and provides offense (shooting and playmaking) to our core?

Guards
Jordan Poole $31.8M
CJ McCollum $30.6M
Anfernee Simons $27.6M
Collin Sexton $19.1M
Malik Monk $18.7M
Coby White $12.8M

None of these guys would cost an astronomical amount in terms of a trade IMO.

Guys like Darius Garland, Derrick White and Austin Reaves would be targets on the higher end of the scale, but they would assuredly cost multiple first round picks and/or Suggs/Black which the Magic probably aren't willing to do.

Wings
Desmond Bane $36.7M
Trey Murphy III $25.0M
Cam Johnson $20.5M
Rui Hachimura $18.2M
Grayson Allen $16.8M
Herb Jones $13.9M
Royce O'Neale $10.1M

Bigs
Deandre Ayton $35.5M
Kristaps Porzingis $30.7M
Nic Claxton $25.3M
Nikola Vucevic $21.4M
Daniel Gafford $14.3M
Bobby Portis $13.4M
Robert Williams III $13.2M

In terms of potentially using the $14.1M MLE, whether that's a smaller part of it or potentially all of it...

Ty Jerome
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Tyus Jones
Malik Beasley
Gary Trent Jr.

[Knightro]

You keep quoting 15 million dollars and then reference a single season. Last season wasn’t good.

Use JI’s long history when making assumptions or you will continue to make bad choices.

Yes, I understand all of that.

What you seem to be failing to understand or ignoring is that for $15M dollars, which is what Isaac is set to make this upcoming season, there isn't another player the Magic could acquire - either a free agent via the $14.1M full midlevel or a player via trade making $15M, who will provide them MORE than Isaac provided them in the 23-24 season.

I'm not AT ALL saying Isaac is definitely, no questions asked, no matter what going to produce like he did in 23-24. He absolutely could suck this year.

But the point is the possibility exists that he COULD produce in 25-26 like he did in 23-24. And if he does that, that will provide the maximum amount of value to the 25-26 Magic season.

I'd rather keep him and see if he plays like 23-24 that than dump him right now because waiting another six months is not going to change his value as a salary matching contract in the slightest.

Isaac will not be worth LESS in a trade 7 months from now than he is right now in this moment, ya know?

[eyriq]

Magic are rumored to be targeting someone who’s making around 25 million. So who would fit that who isn’t looking at retiring to be a broadcaster in a year, who isn’t going to miss 30% or more games and provides offense (shooting and playmaking) to our core?

Guards
Jordan Poole $31.8M
CJ McCollum $30.6M
Anfernee Simons $27.6M
Collin Sexton $19.1M
Malik Monk $18.7M
Coby White $12.8M

None of these guys would cost an astronomical amount in terms of a trade IMO.

Guys like Darius Garland, Derrick White and Austin Reaves would be targets on the higher end of the scale, but they would assuredly cost multiple first round picks and/or Suggs/Black which the Magic probably aren't willing to do.

Wings
Desmond Bane $36.7M
Trey Murphy III $25.0M
Cam Johnson $20.5M
Rui Hachimura $18.2M
Grayson Allen $16.8M
Herb Jones $13.9M
Royce O'Neale $10.1M

Bigs
Deandre Ayton $35.5M
Kristaps Porzingis $30.7M
Nic Claxton $25.3M
Nikola Vucevic $21.4M
Daniel Gafford $14.3M
Bobby Portis $13.4M
Robert Williams III $13.2M

In terms of potentially using the $14.1M MLE, whether that's a smaller part of it or potentially all of it...

Ty Jerome
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Tyus Jones
Malik Beasley
Gary Trent Jr.

Great menu. We've got quite the appetite as well.

[RichCollab]

You keep quoting 15 million dollars and then reference a single season. Last season wasn’t good.

Use JI’s long history when making assumptions or you will continue to make bad choices.

Yes, I understand all of that.

What you seem to be failing to understand or ignoring is that for $15M dollars, which is what Isaac is set to make this upcoming season, there isn't another player the Magic could acquire - either a free agent via the $14.1M full midlevel or a player via trade making $15M, who will provide them MORE than Isaac provided them in the 23-24 season.

I'm not AT ALL saying Isaac is definitely, no questions asked, no matter what going to produce like he did in 23-24. He absolutely could suck this year.

But the point is the possibility exists that he COULD produce in 25-26 like he did in 23-24. And if he does that, that will provide the maximum amount of value to the 25-26 Magic season.

I'd rather keep him and see if he plays like 23-24 that than dump him right now because waiting another six months is not going to change his value as a salary matching contract in the slightest.

Isaac will not be worth LESS in a trade 7 months from now than he is right now in this moment, ya know?

This is the repeat of what we say every year. It’s investing a roster spot and money that has been fools gold. Hope you never step foot into a Casino…

[Magic_Johnny12]

This is probably nothing, but it was a bit interesting to NOT see Anthony Black at the event for the unveiling.

It could have been scheduling conflicts, but the tin hat in me is intrigued haha

[Idiosyncratic]

We need Melton on the MLE list. Passing chops, defends, launches a bunch of 3s. I'm sure some good team will scoop him up, but he would be my number 1 target by a mile, would prefer him to NAW even. And I wouldn't have a problem with NAW, I'm just happy they may use the MLE.

Melton and NAW both started playing some PG so have some PG skills, similar per 100 assist numbers for their careers to Sexton and Simons despite not handling the ball as much as them. Melton actually has the exact same assists per/100 as Simons, NAW just slightly lower. Balancing a combo guard PG acquisition with another secondary playmaker would be nice.

[Def Swami]

Imo Isaac continues to be one of biggest fool's gold we ever had.

He sucked this year. Sucked in playoffs and had heavy min restrictions.
Year prior he had heavy min restrictions, played 58 games on 15,8 mpg. Still sucked in playoffs.
Year prior he played 11 games.
Two years prior he didn't play at all.

Before all that he lasted 34 games.

He never even had okey playoffs. He sucked each and every time . Because only thing he has as player is effort in regular season where he is always in "playoff mode".
Even when you see how some players react in regular season to his defense it's silly. They all have that "bro, chill, we here to coast" face.

Guy at average plays 34 games a year. 7,6 ppg for career.

Averages more millions than min per game. Guy was 57# highest payed player last year ( highest payed player on Magic, for two years in a row ) and was defacto unplayable in playoffs because guy can't hit rock in water in middle of ocean.

His 2025-26 is fully guaranteed.
Has $8M guaranteed + bonus if he suits up for 52 games this year to make $14,5M.
Than same thing repeats itself year after.


btw during his good year, 23-24, all net positive lineups with him have Wagners and Ingles. Because he simply needs somebody to carry offense.
This year, due complete lack of talent off bench on offense, he is part of majority of all the worst 5 men lineups.
Basically his value is depends on ability of somebody else to be elite. Who's doing that for him next year? Black? Jett Howard?

He’s the biggest dead weight money on the team imo. The contract he got despite his injury history was a waste of money.

[GelbeWand09]

Magic are rumored to be targeting someone who’s making around 25 million. So who would fit that who isn’t looking at retiring to be a broadcaster in a year, who isn’t going to miss 30% or more games and provides offense (shooting and playmaking) to our core?

Guards
Jordan Poole $31.8M
CJ McCollum $30.6M
Anfernee Simons $27.6M
Collin Sexton $19.1M
Malik Monk $18.7M
Coby White $12.8M

None of these guys would cost an astronomical amount in terms of a trade IMO.

Guys like Darius Garland, Derrick White and Austin Reaves would be targets on the higher end of the scale, but they would assuredly cost multiple first round picks and/or Suggs/Black which the Magic probably aren't willing to do.

Wings
Desmond Bane $36.7M
Trey Murphy III $25.0M
Cam Johnson $20.5M
Rui Hachimura $18.2M
Grayson Allen $16.8M
Herb Jones $13.9M
Royce O'Neale $10.1M

Bigs
Deandre Ayton $35.5M
Kristaps Porzingis $30.7M
Nic Claxton $25.3M
Nikola Vucevic $21.4M
Daniel Gafford $14.3M
Bobby Portis $13.4M
Robert Williams III $13.2M

In terms of potentially using the $14.1M MLE, whether that's a smaller part of it or potentially all of it...

Ty Jerome
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
Tyus Jones
Malik Beasley
Gary Trent Jr.

If we settle for a low level playmaking guard like Simons / Sexton i would love Ty Jerome as a 2nd addition. But probably highly unlike.

[Knightro]

We need Melton on the MLE list. Passing chops, defends, launches a bunch of 3s. I'm sure some good team will scoop him up, but he would be my number 1 target by a mile, would prefer him to NAW even. And I wouldn't have a problem with NAW, I'm just happy they may use the MLE.

Melton and NAW both started playing some PG so have some PG skills, similar per 100 assist numbers for their careers to Sexton and Simons despite not handling the ball as much as them. Melton actually has the exact same assists per/100 as Simons, NAW just slightly lower. Balancing a combo guard PG acquisition with another secondary playmaker would be nice.

Good call. I forgot about him coming off the injury.

I'd probably skew towards NAW over Melton since he's been an iron man recently, playing 82 games in each of the last two seasons.

[Last Guardian]

Magic are rumored to be targeting someone who’s making around 25 million. So who would fit that who isn’t looking at retiring to be a broadcaster in a year, who isn’t going to miss 30% or more games and provides offense (shooting and playmaking) to our core?

Trey Murphy makes exactly $25M

He's listed as a Forward. Can he play guard? He definitely fits the team defensively and can help score.

[eyriq]

Magic are rumored to be targeting someone who’s making around 25 million. So who would fit that who isn’t looking at retiring to be a broadcaster in a year, who isn’t going to miss 30% or more games and provides offense (shooting and playmaking) to our core?

Trey Murphy makes exactly $25M

He's listed as a Forward. Can he play guard? He definitely fits the team defensively and can help score.

You know who can play guard? Franz Wagner.

[tiderulz]

Not the worst target but he is a lot older than FVV, injury prone and worse playmaker.
Not that many good targets with established authority though.

did you know, over the past 3 years, FVV only played 5 more games than CJ?

He is 3 years younger and played 5 more games. Could be more in the future. Not the most important factor.

well, i mean, it was important enough for you to call out

[tiderulz]

You keep quoting 15 million dollars and then reference a single season. Last season wasn’t good.

Use JI’s long history when making assumptions or you will continue to make bad choices.

Yes, I understand all of that.

What you seem to be failing to understand or ignoring is that for $15M dollars, which is what Isaac is set to make this upcoming season, there isn't another player the Magic could acquire - either a free agent via the $14.1M full midlevel or a player via trade making $15M, who will provide them MORE than Isaac provided them in the 23-24 season.

I'm not AT ALL saying Isaac is definitely, no questions asked, no matter what going to produce like he did in 23-24. He absolutely could suck this year.

But the point is the possibility exists that he COULD produce in 25-26 like he did in 23-24. And if he does that, that will provide the maximum amount of value to the 25-26 Magic season.

I'd rather keep him and see if he plays like 23-24 that than dump him right now because waiting another six months is not going to change his value as a salary matching contract in the slightest.

Isaac will not be worth LESS in a trade 7 months from now than he is right now in this moment, ya know?

he could. he could show up with back spasms or more knee issues and not be able to play his whopping 15 mpg.

[tiderulz]

We need Melton on the MLE list. Passing chops, defends, launches a bunch of 3s. I'm sure some good team will scoop him up, but he would be my number 1 target by a mile, would prefer him to NAW even. And I wouldn't have a problem with NAW, I'm just happy they may use the MLE.

Melton and NAW both started playing some PG so have some PG skills, similar per 100 assist numbers for their careers to Sexton and Simons despite not handling the ball as much as them. Melton actually has the exact same assists per/100 as Simons, NAW just slightly lower. Balancing a combo guard PG acquisition with another secondary playmaker would be nice.

Good call. I forgot about him coming off the injury.

I'd probably skew towards NAW over Melton since he's been an iron man recently, playing 82 games in each of the last two seasons.

not too hard though when you are coming off the bench.

and i have never seen anything regarding "PG skills" from NAW. yes, he is a decent passer at less than 3 apg, but he isnt a PG by any means.

[eyriq]

Captain obvious over here:

Read on Twitter

[Knightro]

You keep quoting 15 million dollars and then reference a single season. Last season wasn’t good.

Use JI’s long history when making assumptions or you will continue to make bad choices.

Yes, I understand all of that.

What you seem to be failing to understand or ignoring is that for $15M dollars, which is what Isaac is set to make this upcoming season, there isn't another player the Magic could acquire - either a free agent via the $14.1M full midlevel or a player via trade making $15M, who will provide them MORE than Isaac provided them in the 23-24 season.

I'm not AT ALL saying Isaac is definitely, no questions asked, no matter what going to produce like he did in 23-24. He absolutely could suck this year.

But the point is the possibility exists that he COULD produce in 25-26 like he did in 23-24. And if he does that, that will provide the maximum amount of value to the 25-26 Magic season.

I'd rather keep him and see if he plays like 23-24 that than dump him right now because waiting another six months is not going to change his value as a salary matching contract in the slightest.

Isaac will not be worth LESS in a trade 7 months from now than he is right now in this moment, ya know?

he could. he could show up with back spasms or more knee issues and not be able to play his whopping 15 mpg.

Isaac’s current trade value is almost universally considered to be nothing more than contract filler.

That isn’t changing no matter how bad he plays.

He’s strictly a $15M matching salary.