Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLII Off-Season Edition)

arkknight1988 · Post #641 » by **arkknight1988** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:04 am

nash
kobe
metta
gasol
dwight

lets just make this an 8 team league

silent1900 · Post #642 » by **silent1900** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:06 am

D12fan wrote:
silent1900 wrote:And to all of you Hennigan apologists...i'd be right there with you if not for the Jameer signing. Straight garbage, that was. Badly shook my confidence in our new GM.

I don't understand why people are making a big deal over the Jameer deal. Do you not understand how a rebuild works? Cap space isn't gonna be a concern for the next couple of years . We are gonna have a bunch of guys on rookie deals and a minimum cap level to maintain .

I think you are dead on with your reasoning as it pertains to how we should construct the Dwight deal...no reason to keep pushing to include bad contracts instead of asking for more assets...but no way...NO WAY...is that a rationale for overpaying someone by a good 50%. There is just no excuse for that deal.

MAGICian619 · Post #643 » by **MAGICian619** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:06 am

darthkiller wrote:
silent1900 wrote:I'm thinking Lamb, D-Mo, KMart and a couple picks would suit me fine. I think the TOR pick is guaranteed to be in the lottery 'someday', and I for one think Houston is going to be AWFUL even after trading for Dwight. I mean...Jeremy Lin would be their #2 option? Dwight's gonna be totally disengaged, even if he doesn't fake a back injury. Their pick, plus our pick, plus maybe TOR if they aren't as solid as I think they will be...makes for a fun draft next year.

And to all of you Hennigan apologists...i'd be right there with you if not for the Jameer signing. Straight garbage, that was. Badly shook my confidence in our new GM.

that will nver be offered.

Yo Rocket troll dude...get the F outa here...u want the best big man in the league, and u continue to say that an expiring that you are losing and 2 rookies is too much. Ur stupidity is getting very old very fast.

arkknight1988 · Post #644 » by **arkknight1988** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:08 am

darth killer is pretty hardcore

silent1900 · Post #645 » by **silent1900** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:09 am

arkknight1988 wrote:nash
kobe
metta
gasol
dwight

lets just make this an 8 team league

But at the same time...even after all the Dwight drama...I would still enjoy seeing that team lay the wood to Miami for the next 2-3 years

arsenal6106 · Post #646 » by **arsenal6106** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:11 am

Jarrod N Rudolph ‏@JRudolphSports
Does anyone know who the two anchors for the 10pm ET Sportscenter were?

I don't blame him. :lol:

magicman123 · Post #647 » by **magicman123** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:13 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
magicman123 wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:So Henny went to LA to meet with Dwight to build a relationship and wouldn't even tell him the name of the coach?

we dont have a name, martins still needs to perform his own interviews, then devos, then back to henny, then back to martins, then back to devos, then all 3 of them get together and devos picks his choice

That sounds uber complex. I read reports we had finished phase 2 and were moving to the Devos meetings. No?

i think phase 2 was getting the list down to 3 names, then we do the interviewing process over again

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #648 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:15 am

Any teams that have never been mentioned that you think would rent dwight?

TNMagicFan · Post #649 » by **TNMagicFan** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:16 am

silent1900 wrote:
D12fan wrote:
silent1900 wrote:And to all of you Hennigan apologists...i'd be right there with you if not for the Jameer signing. Straight garbage, that was. Badly shook my confidence in our new GM.

I don't understand why people are making a big deal over the Jameer deal. Do you not understand how a rebuild works? Cap space isn't gonna be a concern for the next couple of years . We are gonna have a bunch of guys on rookie deals and a minimum cap level to maintain .

I think you are dead on with your reasoning as it pertains to how we should construct the Dwight deal...no reason to keep pushing to include bad contracts instead of asking for more assets...but no way...NO WAY...is that a rationale for overpaying someone by a good 50%. There is just no excuse for that deal.

My point isn't that Jameer deserved his contract , he obviously isn't worth what he got . The point is it doesn't matter. My guess is that Hennigan knows hes gonna have to overpay someone to get to that minimum payroll so why not give it to a guy who has been here and is a fan favorite. Remember that deal the Knicks gave Duhon a couple years ago ? Like 10 mil per or something like that for a couple years . They didn't give that deal to him because he was worth it. They did it because they knew they had to overpay and his deal didn't hurt them when it counted . Just like Jameers won't hurt us when it counts

magicman123 · Post #650 » by **magicman123** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:17 am

rcklsscognition

Magic general manager Rob Hennigan conducted first-round interviews with six candidates and whittled the field down to three: Philadelphia 76ers associate head coach Michael Curry, Phoenix Suns player development coach Lindsey Hunter and Vaughn.

Martins was going to conduct the second-round interviews and then narrow the list to one or two finalists for meetings with the DeVos family

Any meeting with members of the DeVos family, including the team's 86-year-old owner, Rich DeVos, and the team's chairman, Dan DeVos, most likely would occur in Grand Rapids, Mich

then they get in a huddle, and pick a coach, which might not even be henny's top choice, he could of been eliminated from martins list

TheMagicOne · Post #651 » by **TheMagicOne** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:21 am

I think you guys are missing the good news in all of this.

#1 - We have supreme closure that Howard does not want to be here, no matter how hard that is for some to stomach.

#2 - We can easily say to the Laker's, "look it is quite clear that he will resign with your team. Either A you give us a deal we can agree to or B you will never have a chance at the best center in the entire league again." We just threaten to hold on to him for the entire season and let him walk to Dallas.

#3 - No matter how much Dwight wants a trade, he can still deliver a championship next season. A slim chance sure, but he would look pretty bad pulling a Vince Carter. So if we do not get the deal we want, I would much rather have one last season with him and have him boo'd and cursed off the court for 41 games plus the playoffs and laugh as hard as I can when he does not get a major market and is forced to play with an AGING Dirk.

#4 - Houston in all of this just got a clear picture too. They will get Bynum or NOTHING. So it is time for them to pony up what their best offer is or stay stuck at a 41-41 team. We hold ALL THE CARDS.

Sometimes getting nothing for Howard is much better than giving in to a prim a-donna's demands.

Can you imagine the press coverage we would get next season. Sure it would be a circus, but man the money he would lose in endorsement dollares not being in a major market and the money he would lose in a long term contract. Heck the entire league will get bent at him just for the circus that HE CAUSED. This will eventually be all turned around on him because the media just loves to tare down a super star as much as they like to build him up. When they realize he is not going to a major market where they can hype him up for better advertising dollars, heck they will shred him to pieces. when that happens those marketing dollars disappear too.

NickAnderson · Post #652 » by **NickAnderson** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:23 am

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:Any teams that have never been mentioned that you think would rent dwight?

Detroit, Dumars is crazy, Dwight for Andre and a pick lol. I'd take that at this point.

Chet Wagner · Post #653 » by **Chet Wagner** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:23 am

D12fan wrote:My point isn't that Jameer deserved his contract , he obviously isn't worth what he got . The point is it doesn't matter. My guess is that Hennigan knows hes gonna have to overpay someone to get to that minimum payroll so why not give it to a guy who has been here and is a fan favorite. Remember that deal the Knicks gave Duhon a couple years ago ? Like 10 mil per or something like that for a couple years . They didn't give that deal to him because he was worth it. They did it because they knew they had to overpay and his deal didn't hurt them when it counted . Just like Jameers won't hurt us when it counts

Because they wanted to keep Dwight.

The Jameer contract is a complete joke for the fact that they weren't 100% about trading him.

You make a horrible contract that likely makes people think our new GM isn't different from Otis, that handcuffs the team from making big deals next year, doesn't make the team younger, and is with a guy who was rumored to almost have gotten in a fight with Dwight

It's inexcusable

silent1900 · Post #654 » by **silent1900** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:23 am

D12fan wrote:
silent1900 wrote:
D12fan wrote:
I don't understand why people are making a big deal over the Jameer deal. Do you not understand how a rebuild works? Cap space isn't gonna be a concern for the next couple of years . We are gonna have a bunch of guys on rookie deals and a minimum cap level to maintain .

I think you are dead on with your reasoning as it pertains to how we should construct the Dwight deal...no reason to keep pushing to include bad contracts instead of asking for more assets...but no way...NO WAY...is that a rationale for overpaying someone by a good 50%. There is just no excuse for that deal.

My point isn't that Jameer deserved his contract , he obviously isn't worth what he got . The point is it doesn't matter. My guess is that Hennigan knows hes gonna have to overpay someone to get to that minimum payroll so why not give it to a guy who has been here and is a fan favorite. Remember that deal the Knicks gave Duhon a couple years ago ? Like 10 mil per or something like that for a couple years . They didn't give that deal to him because he was worth it. They did it because they knew they had to overpay and his deal didn't hurt them when it counted . Just like Jameers won't hurt us when it counts

Good try, but nope

He made that deal without having ANY IDEA what our roster will look like after the Dwight deal is finished. For instance, if we ended up taking back Bynum in a deal then we would not have to overpay anyone to get to the minimum. He just hosed it.

G-Heel · Post #655 » by **G-Heel** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:25 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Best case scenario is we hear Bynum won't resign in LA.

With his injury history, I doubt he would reject an extension.

OrlandO · Post #656 » by **OrlandO** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:27 am

The longer we wait, the more this circus is going to blow up in our faces.

TheMagicOne · Post #657 » by **TheMagicOne** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:32 am

G-Heel wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Best case scenario is we hear Bynum won't resign in LA.

With his injury history, I doubt he would reject an extension.

No the best scenario is Bynum gives his agent a list of teams he would consider resigning with. The main reason why is if he is traded for Howard and does not want to remain in Orlando, he would lose money and it is not his fault he loses money. He may say I want to go to OKC. So we have to work with OKC as a third team. He may say Minnesota or whatever. But his agent would be smart to be telling Bynum to have a back up list of the teams he would consider signing with.

Because we all know it is going to come down to the Lakers will trade for Howard and Bynum needs to go where #1 he is wanted and where he wants to go. PERIOD. That is the ONLY way the Magic win from this.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #658 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:33 am

If we hold onto him until next year and trade him for lopez my fist is going through a wall

TNMagicFan · Post #659 » by **TNMagicFan** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:34 am

Chet Wagner wrote:
D12fan wrote:My point isn't that Jameer deserved his contract , he obviously isn't worth what he got . The point is it doesn't matter. My guess is that Hennigan knows hes gonna have to overpay someone to get to that minimum payroll so why not give it to a guy who has been here and is a fan favorite. Remember that deal the Knicks gave Duhon a couple years ago ? Like 10 mil per or something like that for a couple years . They didn't give that deal to him because he was worth it. They did it because they knew they had to overpay and his deal didn't hurt them when it counted . Just like Jameers won't hurt us when it counts

Because they wanted to keep Dwight.

The Jameer contract is a complete joke for the fact that they weren't 100% about trading him.

You make a horrible contract that likely makes people think our new GM isn't different from Otis, that handcuffs the team from making big deals next year, doesn't make the team younger, and is with a guy who was rumored to almost have gotten in a fight with Dwight

It's inexcusable

No, I think he came here planning full well to trade Dwight and start over . He comes from that "blow it up and start from scratch" school of building a team . You guys are letting all these bogus tweets cornfuse you. Hes going through the motions to satisfy DeVos

crazytown · Post #660 » by **crazytown** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 3:36 am

silent1900 wrote:
arkknight1988 wrote:nash
kobe
metta
gasol
dwight

lets just make this an 8 team league

But at the same time...even after all the Dwight drama...I would still enjoy seeing that team lay the wood to Miami for the next 2-3 years

Why? I'd rather see Lebron win another title than see this whining coward hoist a trophy and smiling in June.