Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[Bensational]

What kind of a definition of a star player do you have if they can't score 20ppg?

How are you a mod on a basketball forum with a hilariously awful view like this

I guess I now understand how Joe Johnson can make more all-star teams than Paul Millsap

20ppg is an arbitrary cut off, but in a league where the most points wins the game, and star players generally score the most points for a team, the view isn't too far off base.

How many teams do you see rushing out to build a roster with players who can't score?

[cedric76]

IT s not a secret that I d love us to go after nico but after hearing rob I really think we ll offer a max contract to horford

If atl lose pretty early in playoff I really think we have a strong shot at him

He want to play next to a proper C
He want to go to a city with strong Latin community
He is a pf/c
He is a veteran
He can be our back up CEnter when vuc goes to the bench, meaning that he would crush our opponent s back up CEnter

Ep
Dipo
Ag
Horford
Vuc

As soon as vuc goes on the bench

Ep
Dipo
Evan
Ag
Horford

Roster

Ep,dipo,cj
Dipo,Evan,mario,cj
Ag,Evan,mario
Horford,ag,AN, Chriss
Vuc,horford,ded

Match Evan
Max horford
Qo to ded
Qo or match AN

Draft chriss


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[Nemesis21]

IT s not a secret that I d love us to go after nico but after hearing rob I really think we ll offer a max contract to horford

If atl lose pretty early in playoff I really think we have a strong shot at him

He want to play next to a proper C
He want to go to a city with strong Latin community
He is a pf/c
He is a veteran
He can be our back up CEnter when vuc goes to the bench, meaning that he would crush our opponent s back up CEnter

Ep
Dipo
Ag
Horford
Vuc

As soon as vuc goes on the bench

Ep
Dipo
Evan
Ag
Horford

Roster

Ep,dipo,cj
Dipo,Evan,mario,cj
Ag,Evan,mario
Horford,ag,AN, Chriss
Vuc,horford,ded

Match Evan
Max horford
Qo to ded
Qo or match AN

Draft chriss


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Who is this?

[Nyce_1]

IT s not a secret that I d love us to go after nico but after hearing rob I really think we ll offer a max contract to horford

If atl lose pretty early in playoff I really think we have a strong shot at him

He want to play next to a proper C
He want to go to a city with strong Latin community
He is a pf/c
He is a veteran
He can be our back up CEnter when vuc goes to the bench, meaning that he would crush our opponent s back up CEnter

Ep
Dipo
Ag
Horford
Vuc

As soon as vuc goes on the bench

Ep
Dipo
Evan
Ag
Horford

Roster

Ep,dipo,cj
Dipo,Evan,mario,cj
Ag,Evan,mario
Horford,ag,AN, Chriss
Vuc,horford,ded

Match Evan
Max horford
Qo to ded
Qo or match AN

Draft chriss


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Who is this?

Maybe Nic Batum?

[cedric76]

IT s not a secret that I d love us to go after nico but after hearing rob I really think we ll offer a max contract to horford

If atl lose pretty early in playoff I really think we have a strong shot at him

He want to play next to a proper C
He want to go to a city with strong Latin community
He is a pf/c
He is a veteran
He can be our back up CEnter when vuc goes to the bench, meaning that he would crush our opponent s back up CEnter

Ep
Dipo
Ag
Horford
Vuc

As soon as vuc goes on the bench

Ep
Dipo
Evan
Ag
Horford

Roster

Ep,dipo,cj
Dipo,Evan,mario,cj
Ag,Evan,mario
Horford,ag,AN, Chriss
Vuc,horford,ded

Match Evan
Max horford
Qo to ded
Qo or match AN

Draft chriss


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Who is this?

Maybe Nic Batum?

IT s not a secret that I d love us to go after nico but after hearing rob I really think we ll offer a max contract to horford

If atl lose pretty early in playoff I really think we have a strong shot at him

He want to play next to a proper C
He want to go to a city with strong Latin community
He is a pf/c
He is a veteran
He can be our back up CEnter when vuc goes to the bench, meaning that he would crush our opponent s back up CEnter

Ep
Dipo
Ag
Horford
Vuc

As soon as vuc goes on the bench

Ep
Dipo
Evan
Ag
Horford

Roster

Ep,dipo,cj
Dipo,Evan,mario,cj
Ag,Evan,mario
Horford,ag,AN, Chriss
Vuc,horford,ded

Match Evan
Max horford
Qo to ded
Qo or match AN

Draft chriss


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Who is this?

Maybe Nic Batum?

Yes batman

[ezzzp]

Well I was using metric in its basketball slang version, I thought that was obvious - but I guess you needed to muck things up with excess jargon to distract from the issue - that you are cherry picking when to disqualify the validity of specific statistics based on how it relates to your side of the argument.

And how was I cherry-picking exactly? I mentioned this previously, but the purpose of the CARMELO projections is the development curve. They aren't designed to tell you how good a player is. Their sole purpose is to project a developmental curve for any player.

PER attempts to quantify public perceptions. Win shares simply attempts to partition a team's accumulated wins among its constituent members. WARP attempts to do the same, albeit with a more scientific approach.

It is exceptionally important to understand precisely what any statistic is actually measuring.

No duh CARMELO is for projection...who said it wasn't...but way to deflect attention away with yet another useless jargon filled tangent.

You are not revealing anything about PER and WARP etc that isn't common knowledge amongst fans who spend their time on basketball forums talking stats.

Instead of stating the obvious, and disqualifying the tool usage to deflect away from having to substantiate your opinion - how about you use those tools to put some meat on those opinions.

[the_hobo]

Horford is a trap. He doesn't belong with our squad. If we get him, we will end up regretting it, at least with our current squad. However, if we switch styles from Warrior-esque to Spurs-ish, then he will fit perfectly (with Nicholson to compliment). I see us trying run and gun again, and he just wouldn't work.

The only FA out there who will not only fit but will take us to the next level is Durant. We need to go all-in for him, or just stay pat this summer.

[cedric76]

Horford is a trap. He doesn't belong with our squad. If we get him, we will end up regretting it, at least with our current squad. However, if we switch styles from Warrior-esque to Spurs-ish, then he will fit perfectly (with Nicholson to compliment). I see us trying run and gun again, and he just wouldn't work.

The only FA out there who will not only fit but will take us to the next level is Durant. We need to go all-in for him, or just stay pat this summer.

A trap? He would be a great back up c (around 15 per game at c) where he would destroy the opponent back up c

And 15 min at PF, the guy does it all, 3pt,blk,etc..

[Nemesis21]

IT s not a secret that I d love us to go after nico but after hearing rob I really think we ll offer a max contract to horford

If atl lose pretty early in playoff I really think we have a strong shot at him

He want to play next to a proper C
He want to go to a city with strong Latin community
He is a pf/c
He is a veteran
He can be our back up CEnter when vuc goes to the bench, meaning that he would crush our opponent s back up CEnter

Ep
Dipo
Ag
Horford
Vuc

As soon as vuc goes on the bench

Ep
Dipo
Evan
Ag
Horford

Roster

Ep,dipo,cj
Dipo,Evan,mario,cj
Ag,Evan,mario
Horford,ag,AN, Chriss
Vuc,horford,ded

Match Evan
Max horford
Qo to ded
Qo or match AN

Draft chriss


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Who is this?

Maybe Nic Batum?

Oh

[j-ragg]

I like Horford but if we max him that's a lottt of money. I'd rather max Conley.

Unless KD wants to play with Al, then give them both whatever they want.


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[Nemesis21]

I like Horford but if we max him that's a lottt of money. I'd rather max Conley.

Unless KD wants to play with Al, then give them both whatever they want.


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Conley is injured.

[SOUL]

Achilles scare me, especially maxing somebody after it.

We saw Kobe, we saw Jennings.. they don't really move the same.

Also I think Payton is still easily our PG of the future.

[ezzzp]

What kind of a definition of a star player do you have if they can't score 20ppg?

How are you a mod on a basketball forum with a hilariously awful view like this

I guess I now understand how Joe Johnson can make more all-star teams than Paul Millsap

20ppg is an arbitrary cut off, but in a league where the most points wins the game, and star players generally score the most points for a team, the view isn't too far off base.

How many teams do you see rushing out to build a roster with players who can't score?

The phrase "defense wins championships" exists for a reason.

Within the context of winning meaningful games, teams build with defensive anchors and capable defenders within good defensive systems. It is the team that holds its opponent to lesser points than theirs who wins.

Offense matters, but not at the expense of defense. That is why two way players are so valuable and rare.

[Bensational]

How are you a mod on a basketball forum with a hilariously awful view like this

I guess I now understand how Joe Johnson can make more all-star teams than Paul Millsap

20ppg is an arbitrary cut off, but in a league where the most points wins the game, and star players generally score the most points for a team, the view isn't too far off base.

How many teams do you see rushing out to build a roster with players who can't score?

The phrase "defense wins championships" exists for a reason.

Within the context of winning meaningful games, teams build with defensive anchors and capable defenders within good defensive systems. It is the team that holds its opponent to lesser points than theirs who wins.

Offense matters, but not at the expense of defense. That is why two way players are so valuable and rare.

It's convenient that you happen to see the merit I this statement in this discussion, but when it's brought up in a discussion about Vucevic, it's suddenly irrelevant?

Why do you insist on treating my statements as absolutes? Of course defense is important, but if you can't look at Curry, Duncan, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Jordan, Magic, Thomas, Bird, etc and tell me that offense isn't of high importance then I don't know what to say. The reason defense is important is to try and minimalise the impact those players make.

[ezzzp]

20ppg is an arbitrary cut off, but in a league where the most points wins the game, and star players generally score the most points for a team, the view isn't too far off base.

How many teams do you see rushing out to build a roster with players who can't score?

The phrase "defense wins championships" exists for a reason.

Within the context of winning meaningful games, teams build with defensive anchors and capable defenders within good defensive systems. It is the team that holds its opponent to lesser points than theirs who wins.

Offense matters, but not at the expense of defense. That is why two way players are so valuable and rare.

It's convenient that you happen to see the merit I this statement in this discussion, but when it's brought up in a discussion about Vucevic, it's suddenly irrelevant?

Why do you insist on treating my statements as absolutes? Of course defense is important, but if you can't look at Curry, Duncan, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Jordan, Magic, Thomas, Bird, etc and tell me that offense isn't of high importance then I don't know what to say. The reason defense is important is to try and minimalise the impact those players make.

Go look on your summer free agency plans thread and see what I proposed.

I'm not against adding a high caliber defensive center, but finding one that is an actual starting calibre impact defender at center is not as easy as you continuously spout off that it is...its not a video game. There's a big difference in saying to just go out and get that player and actually having the capacity to acquire one. This summer there are only three that I see are that level: Whiteside (never going to happen); then Ezeli and Biyombo (both whom I have proposed before)...the rest are too old, too foul prone or have serious injury concerns or don't really impact the defensive end enough to sacrifice Vucevic.

I treat your statements and reply to them based on how you present them.

All those players were two way impact players, good to high quality defenders, excellent facilitators with floor vision and all made their team mates better; and all performed in clutch moments...It was not just putting up 20 ppg that made those players difficult to defend and beat.....and that is what you don't get.

[orthoman]

I say we go Dwightmare II. wtf...we got nothing to lose, except more games.
Bring back Meer..."beerkeg", mightymidget, mightymouse Nelson, he'll teach Elf how to shoot 3's
Dwight says he's gonna work on his foul shot this offseason.

[SOUL]

Jameer is shooting threes at 29% lol.

[Bensational]

The phrase "defense wins championships" exists for a reason.

Within the context of winning meaningful games, teams build with defensive anchors and capable defenders within good defensive systems. It is the team that holds its opponent to lesser points than theirs who wins.

Offense matters, but not at the expense of defense. That is why two way players are so valuable and rare.

It's convenient that you happen to see the merit I this statement in this discussion, but when it's brought up in a discussion about Vucevic, it's suddenly irrelevant?

Why do you insist on treating my statements as absolutes? Of course defense is important, but if you can't look at Curry, Duncan, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Jordan, Magic, Thomas, Bird, etc and tell me that offense isn't of high importance then I don't know what to say. The reason defense is important is to try and minimalise the impact those players make.

Go look on your summer free agency plans thread and see what I proposed.

I'm not against adding a high caliber defensive center, but finding one that is an actual starting calibre impact defender at center is not as easy as you continuously spout off that it is...its not a video game. There's a big difference in saying to just go out and get that player and actually having the capacity to acquire one. This summer there are only three that I see are that level: Whiteside (never going to happen); then Ezeli and Biyombo (both whom I have proposed before)...the rest are too old, too foul prone or have serious injury concerns or don't really impact the defensive end enough to sacrifice Vucevic.

I treat your statements and reply to them based on how you present them.

All those players were two way impact players, good to high quality defenders, excellent facilitators with floor vision and all made their team mates better; and all performed in clutch moments...It was not just putting up 20 ppg that made those players difficult to defend and beat.....and that is what you don't get.

Again, you're presenting my statement as if I had made a comment that said those players weren't good/elite defenders.

What you don't seem to understand is that even though those guys are good/great defenders, defensive schemes will do what they can to help those players conserve energy on the defensive end where they can, with easier match ups. Phil Jackson would use Ron Harper to take strong perimeter assignments for most of the game until Jordan was ready in the 4th quarter, so that Jordan could conserve his energy for the offensive end and not burn the candle at both ends for an entire game.

And don't bother trying to twist that into a statement that sounds like I'm calling Jordan a slouch on defense, because you know that's not what I'm saying.

[Nemesis21]

Achilles scare me, especially maxing somebody after it.

We saw Kobe, we saw Jennings.. they don't really move the same.

Also I think Payton is still easily our PG of the future.

This

[Nemesis21]

Ben & ezzzp the last 48 hours,