The case for Jonathan Isaac

[Skin]

He wants to advertise himself as a Top 4 pick... I don't blame him. He wants his value to be in that range, so why would he or anyone who feels that way open themselves to teams picking in a range lower than they want to be picked in?

I'm sure if we had traded up into the Top 4 that those medical records would all of a sudden be open to us. It has nothing to do with our team and all to do with draft spot jockeying.

Without a trade, we're only getting him if he falls to us anyways.

[Darth Magic]

The question i have is this: Is our interest in DSJ a smokescreen for our interest in Issac or is our interest in Issac a smokescreen for our interest in DSJ?

[MartinsIzAfraud]

The question i have is this: Is our interest in DSJ a smokescreen for our interest in Issac or is our interest in Issac a smokescreen for our interest in DSJ?

Don't think interest in DSJ is a smokescreen at all. We brought him In first day possible to workout. Then once we hired a FO we brought him in for a 2nd time right away. Don't think that 2nd meeting would happen if we weren't interested.

[Darth Magic]

The question i have is this: Is our interest in DSJ a smokescreen for our interest in Issac or is our interest in Issac a smokescreen for our interest in DSJ?

Don't think interest in DSJ is a smokescreen at all. We brought him In first day possible to workout. Then once we hired a FO we brought him in for a 2nd time right away. Don't think that 2nd meeting would happen if we weren't interested.

Maybe that's why Ainge wants to get to 5. He wants to jump us to pick him. Which is why i think we have a deal in place with Phoenix to move up to 4.

[cedric76]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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[The Real Dalic]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

[Gomagic44]

I thought Fournier's tunnel vision got better under Vogel than it did under Skiles. At least towards the end of the season. He just shot and drove a lot worse.

Our best record in the last 5 years was under Skiles.

Man now I know why I was known as a Skiles lover.

Well, stats!


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[SOUL]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

Those are the best of the best on offense though. It would be incredible if we could draft a top 5 offensive player in the future but I'm not holding my breath. Defense is a legit question mark. I'm of the opinion of point guard defense not meaning a whole lot in general but I just want him to put forth effort on that end if he does get drafted by us.

[The Real Dalic]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

Those are the best of the best on offense though. It would be incredible if we could draft a top 5 offensive player in the future but I'm not holding my breath. Defense is a legit question mark. I'm of the opinion of point guard defense not meaning a whole lot in general but I just want him to put forth effort on that end if he does get drafted by us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm more on the Isaac train these days (thanks to Skin) than the DSJr. train, but I also don't like not drafting a guy who could be special offensively just because he's not a great defender. If you can get Lillard level offense, you'll live with the Lillard level defense and work as a team to stop his guy.

[Gomagic44]

James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

Those are the best of the best on offense though. It would be incredible if we could draft a top 5 offensive player in the future but I'm not holding my breath. Defense is a legit question mark. I'm of the opinion of point guard defense not meaning a whole lot in general but I just want him to put forth effort on that end if he does get drafted by us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm more on the Isaac train these days (thanks to Skin) than the DSJr. train, but I also don't like not drafting a guy who could be special offensively just because he's not a great defender. If you can get Lillard level offense, you'll live with the Lillard level defense and work as a team to stop his guy.

Bango!


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[cedric76]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

Doing so fine that harden + IT r winning ****.
And those guys r elite offensive players, I can't see that in dsj

[The Real Dalic]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

Doing so fine that harden + IT r winning ****.
And those guys r elite offensive players, I can't see that in dsj

They're winning a lot more than 80% of other teams. They have a chance every year. There can only be one champion every year, if not for the coward going to the Warriors, the Spurs and Rockets would really be fighting to make the Finals every year.

[Gomagic44]

James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

Doing so fine that harden + IT r winning ****.
And those guys r elite offensive players, I can't see that in dsj

They're winning a lot more than 80% of other teams. They have a chance every year. There can only be one champion every year, if not for the coward going to the Warriors, the Spurs and Rockets would really be fighting to make the Finals every year.

I really enjoyed the rockets this year as well. Just not enough.


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[tiderulz]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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why is Fultz a sure shot to go #1 then? his defense is worse, by all statistical measures, and his team lost just as much as NC State

and is it injuries or injury? i only heard of one injury. one really bad injury didnt seem to stop Paul George.

[tiderulz]

I thought Fournier's tunnel vision got better under Vogel than it did under Skiles. At least towards the end of the season. He just shot and drove a lot worse.

Our best record in the last 5 years was under Skiles.

Man now I know why I was known as a Skiles lover.

Well, stats!

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different teams, different players. hard to compare

[tiderulz]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

Those are the best of the best on offense though. It would be incredible if we could draft a top 5 offensive player in the future but I'm not holding my breath. Defense is a legit question mark. I'm of the opinion of point guard defense not meaning a whole lot in general but I just want him to put forth effort on that end if he does get drafted by us.

speaking as someone who watched his college coach for years at Alabama, Gottfried doesnt teach a whole lot of defense. Shoot, he doesnt teach a whole lot of anything and that was always a fair criticism of him

[fendilim]

Fwiw, tom crean is really high on isaac than tatum and josh j.

Still dont think Isaac would be a good pick unless he shows he can be a got to guy on offense which i really doubt. Not a fan of drafting another "athlete" this high.

[tiderulz]

2 ree flags for dsj

*injuries
*défense, what's the point to score 22pts when you give up 30 on the other end of the floor?

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James Harden, Curry, Thomas, among a couple others are all elite offensive players with horrid defense and those teams are doing just fine. I don't think all 5 players on the court need to be defensive monsters.

Doing so fine that harden + IT r winning ****.
And those guys r elite offensive players, I can't see that in dsj

did you see elite offense in Thomas when he couldnt get a starting job on with Sacramento or Phoenix? I didnt. not the elite offense he has been showing in Boston (though some of that i absolutely believe is from Brad Stevens)

[tiderulz]

Doing so fine that harden + IT r winning ****.
And those guys r elite offensive players, I can't see that in dsj

They're winning a lot more than 80% of other teams. They have a chance every year. There can only be one champion every year, if not for the coward going to the Warriors, the Spurs and Rockets would really be fighting to make the Finals every year.

I really enjoyed the rockets this year as well. Just not enough.


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problem with the Rockets, who is their 2nd best player? Ariza? Anderson? Harden really needs a good running mate.

[MagicFan101]

Just got home and read that the target of the Spurs pursuit of a top 10 pick for LA is indeed Isaac... Interesting.