Regular Season Game 3: Orlando Magic (1-1) at Toronto Raptors (2-1) - 7:30pm ET

[Xatticus]

We are locked into this roster, unfortunately. We see the potential of Isaac at center, but Weltman has decided to invest everything he has into that position longterm. Such a shame. You can't trade that Vuc contract.

I don't believe Isaac is ready to step into that role full-time, but I feel like we witnessed something important tonight.

[magicfan217]

I think this team is positioned to make a major trade at some point. I expect the Magic to be in the mix for the next disgruntled “star” on the move.

[SHAQ32]

We are locked into this roster, unfortunately. We see the potential of Isaac at center, but Weltman has decided to invest everything he has into that position longterm. Such a shame. You can't trade that Vuc contract.

Not really. Next season he's projected to be the 43rd highest paid player in the league. His contract isn't bad at all.

[bargnanimvp]

Again the discussion is going to shift to Bamba predictably postgame because some posters don't want to address the real issues of the team. Bamba is only part of many issues.

Bamba is only a significant discussion if we're talking about trading him to acquire said player with needs that help the team.

If you really want to believe the people who complain about Bamba think he is the issue with the team and reason we are losing and everything else is fine then you don't live in reality my man.

Bamba's a problem for the future but he's barely a problem when we talk about why we are losing today.

[KillMonger]

Trash game from Vuc, that much is clear.....might as well bench him whenever we play toronto.....Ross is WAY too streaky to FOCUS our offense on the second unit around this year, we got away with it last year as a surprise but teams are defending him this year...it's on Cliff to come up with something different than the same ole **** for Ross it can't be ALL FLOPPY actions for him.

AG i don't know what the hell is going on with him, he's been a net zero so far like he's going out of his way to create offense for himself and it's not working he should let the game come to him and stop forcing it.

Bamba is REALLY raw, i mean his offense is way ahead of his defense and really his offense is nothing to write home about since cliff is only using him in pick and pop actions. LONG way to go

Coach Cliff is kinda disappointing me to be honest, i mean yes you have more or less the same roster but you can't run the SAME EXACT OFFENSE from last year with no new stuff in there. We got to come up with different ways to attack, we can't rely on the jumper ONLY when it's clear we're not a shooting team.

Also what is with the rotations? Does coach not realize this is the regular season? why is he still tinkering with lineups when no one is injured? MCW can't be out there with no shooters other than ross, we need some other guys on that second unit to help score. You know things ain't right if the ball ends up in MCW's hands for the 3

We got to shape up quick man......1-2

[cedric76]

Vucevic is 100% NOT getting benched 4 games into the season and frankly he shouldn't.

But in theory Isaac can play 16 minutes per game as the starting PF *and* 16 MPG as the backup C and that is what the Magic should be doing moving forward.

Playing Isaac at C is just wasting his potential and looking for injuries

[SOUL]

Again the discussion is going to shift to Bamba predictably postgame because some posters don't want to address the real issues of the team. Bamba is only part of many issues.

Bamba is only a significant discussion if we're talking about trading him to acquire said player with needs that help the team.

I think we need to talk about everything. Vuc deserves the biggest blame out of everybody. He is our highest-paid player. I don't think DJ has played either. AG looks awful as well.

But Bamba and his progress is a very significant discussion too. He hasn't played well since coming into the NBA. He may not be the biggest problem but I think he is definitely a major one, considering we drafted him at 6 to be a cornerstone of this team.

I disagree, he wasn't a cornerstone the minute we decided to extend Vuc. He is and always has been a long-term project that we hoped would be our future. We also hoped his defense would translate from college and it hasn't, unfortunately. We were also an unexpected playoff team so people have really high hopes of him just not **** up and playing horribly like many rookie bigs do 50 games into their career.

I don't mind Bamba discussion, that's whatever, I'm saying some people would rather shift the discussion there instead of the issues of Vuc, Gordon, Ross, DJ, etc so far.

[GameOver25]

Again the discussion is going to shift to Bamba predictably postgame because some posters don't want to address the real issues of the team. Bamba is only part of many issues.

Bamba is only a significant discussion if we're talking about trading him to acquire said player with needs that help the team.

Bamba is young and his game is immature. I seriously think he can improve once he figures out how to get into better conditioning. Not giving up on him yet. This team seriously need to figure out their scoring situation because we cannot continue like that this season.

Agreed I get frustrated with Bamba, but to me it's stamina issue right now. And once that takes over it's effecting everything else. He is not in NBA basketball shape.

[fendilim]

Why is Fultz being used as a spot up shooter?????????????

Well, in fairness, Fultz is a liability on the court during crunch time. We’ve seen this happen vs Atlanta as well, they just sag off him and dare him to shoot. Basically rendering the isolation plays as useless.

[SOUL]

Vucevic is 100% NOT getting benched 4 games into the season and frankly he shouldn't.

But in theory Isaac can play 16 minutes per game as the starting PF *and* 16 MPG as the backup C and that is what the Magic should be doing moving forward.

Playing Isaac at C is just wasting his potential and looking for injuries

Did you not watch this game?

[Knightro]

I don't believe Isaac is ready to step into that role full-time, but I feel like we witnessed something important tonight.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Isaac doesn't have the strength to bang bodies with opposing C for 30-35 minutes a night right now, but he can absolutely do it for extended stretches especially against reserves.

10-15 minutes a night as a backup C? 100%

[SHAQ32]

DJ needs to be less of a playmaker now more than ever. Coach Clifford brought in Markelle with DJ still out there and instead of Markelle running the show and shifting DJ into more of a spot up threat, he ran the play for DJ with Markelle off ball. That doesn't make sense at all to me.

DJ's a solid player but he just can't really make much happen in the halfcourt, especially vs a solid defensive point in Lowry. Put the ball in AG, Markelle, Vooch, or Ross's hands.

[SOUL]

Again the discussion is going to shift to Bamba predictably postgame because some posters don't want to address the real issues of the team. Bamba is only part of many issues.

Bamba is only a significant discussion if we're talking about trading him to acquire said player with needs that help the team.

If you really want to believe the people who complain about Bamba think he is the issue with the team and reason we are losing and everything else is fine then you don't live in reality my man.

Bamba's a problem for the future but he's barely a problem when we talk about why we are losing today.

You said this a few times in reply to me pointing out hypocritical posters (not you), but you see, in about 1-2 hours when someone comes in, posts how Bamba is **** for a paragraph, and then is like "oh yeah and Vuc, etc, etc need to play better", then leaves without addressing anything else, which I guarantee you will happen, I will quote you and ask you how there aren't people here that do not like talking about their favorite players when they're not impacting the team at all.

Our highest paid players need to play up to their contract, it's simple enough.

And DJ needs to come off the bench. He does not help in aiding any of our players by setting them up for an easy bucket when their shot isn't falling.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Bamba is outplaying Vuc tonight

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[PrimeThyme]

Again the discussion is going to shift to Bamba predictably postgame because some posters don't want to address the real issues of the team. Bamba is only part of many issues.

Bamba is only a significant discussion if we're talking about trading him to acquire said player with needs that help the team.

I think we need to talk about everything. Vuc deserves the biggest blame out of everybody. He is our highest-paid player. I don't think DJ has played either. AG looks awful as well.

But Bamba and his progress is a very significant discussion too. He hasn't played well since coming into the NBA. He may not be the biggest problem but I think he is definitely a major one, considering we drafted him at 6 to be a cornerstone of this team.

I disagree, he wasn't a cornerstone the minute we decided to extend Vuc. He is and always has been a long-term project that we hoped would be our future. We also hoped his defense would translate from college and it hasn't, unfortunately. We were also an unexpected playoff team so people have really high hopes of him just not **** up and playing horribly like many rookie bigs do 50 games into their career.

I don't mind Bamba discussion, that's whatever, I'm saying some people would rather shift the discussion there instead of the issues of Vuc, Gordon, Ross, DJ, etc so far.

I have to think that Weltman feels a lot differently. I think he is still viewed as a core piece of this team. You draft a guy at 6 to be that for you. But I 100% agree that he is not our biggest problem right now. We don't win or lose games because of him. It comes down to our highest-paid players underperforming.

I just think when we are discussing the longterm outlook of this team Bamba is still a very relevant discussion. I don't believe they are actively looking to trade him. On the other hand, WeHam got a first-row seat to watch Isaac at the 5 tonight and Vuc go 1-13 so maybe that changes.

[spinedoc]

Really bad shot selection, and I hate the Rucker Park feel of the game. Everyone is just freelancing, no set plays, not a whole lot of rhythm together yet as well. We see flashes of talent, but no fundamental discipline or chemistry yet. I like Vuc for what he does, and he's needed. He's a go to scorer in the post and still a talented big man. I also like JI at center some to give us a different look. The turd in the punch bowl right now is AG. He continues to be a misfit and a role-less player. Honestly, I'd cut his minutes and keep him solely at the four, play Aminu and Ross more at sf. Its early, but this team has some work to do obviously.

[KillMonger]

Jesus man how many WIDE OPEN shots did we miss tonight? not just jumpers too, we out here missing layups as well

[thelead]

Why is Fultz being used as a spot up shooter?????????????

Well, in fairness, Fultz is a liability on the court during crunch time. We’ve seen this happen vs Atlanta as well, they just sag off him and dare him to shoot. Basically rendering the isolation plays as useless.

I'll take an open Futlz' midrange jumper all day vs the garbage offense we've been seeing.

[cedric76]

Vucevic is 100% NOT getting benched 4 games into the season and frankly he shouldn't.

But in theory Isaac can play 16 minutes per game as the starting PF *and* 16 MPG as the backup C and that is what the Magic should be doing moving forward.

Playing Isaac at C is just wasting his potential and looking for injuries

Did you not watch this game?

Yes, i did

Isaac is a perfect Forward, moving him to Center is just short-sighted

Typical Realgm over reaction

[Knightro]

He's not a hesitant shooter like he was in the preseason which is good, but Fultz isn't a good enough 3PT shooter right now to be doing anything but playing on the ball and initiating the offense in crunch time.

Otherwise he can't really be on the floor late in games. It's on the ball or nothing.