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Post#641 » by thelead » Wed Jan 4, 2023 11:21 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Why would you want Dick when you could have Whitmore? Whitmore is Jimmy Butler, he's the same exact size and is very physical.


Because Cam shoots 29% from 3 on 4 attempts per game while Dick shoots 47% on 6 attempts per game?


Whitmore had thumb surgery in October so it makes sense that his jump shot is rusty. For sure, he's unlikely to shoot it as well as Dick, and he needs to improve his percentages as the season goes on, BUT he's got the size, power and athleticism that Grady can only dream about.

I'd definitely take Whitmore ahead of Gradey right now.

Let me clarify my stance: I like Cam and am keeping an eye on his improvement but I was just addressing why someone would want Gradey over Cam. That's all.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#642 » by basketballRob » Thu Jan 5, 2023 12:41 am

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basketballRob wrote:Why would you want Dick when you could have Whitmore? Whitmore is Jimmy Butler, he's the same exact size and is very physical.


Because Cam shoots 29% from 3 on 4 attempts per game while Dick shoots 47% on 6 attempts per game?
Dick is a year older almost. Cam could've waited another year to go to college. He has the man's body already

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Post#643 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jan 5, 2023 6:56 am

Age gap of year- year and half isn't that big at that age if you consider gap in production between players.
Case and point : Kuminga - Franz age corelation & Primmo- Cade /Mobley.


I've spent whole my basketball youth playing with year older kids due my birth date being mid November. It's only noticable when you are 11, 12. Later puberty hits everybody different and age gap isn't that important. By the age of 17-18 everything, from body development evens up. It's discovered that boys nowdays hit puberty much earlier than before due raise of of their BMI.
Fully body maturity & strenght for male is at it's peak at late 20s and early 30s. Given how much medicine , training & strenght and fitness improved, you can argue that most players reach their peak at age of 30 or even later. Where in past 30s were retirement years due worst medicine, conditioning & preservation.

From Lebron, Durant, Messi, Modric, Ronaldo, Đoković, Serena, Curry, Federer, Nadal,Brady it's very noticable pattern of athletes lasting much longer than they did in past.


Tyerese Haliburton drop to 12# in 2020 proves that scouts & teams tend to overthink whole process in neverending search for "perfection" and would rather take complete mistery over proven quality.
Fact that major "red flag" for Haliburton was frame & lack of isolation scoring but they were perfectlly fine with Okoro ( apsolutly zero offense), Okongwu ( Biyombo's twin brother ) and Hayes ( mistery box and lazy , superficial scouting) proves that sometimes you just have to trust numbers and eye test and not overthink stuff.

In this case in particular, Cam Whitemore isn't even SG. He is tunnel vision 6'6 SF (0,7 apg, 2 TO), 28% three point shooter.
Imo he is very similar to Josh Jackson, KUminga type prospect. Guy who has physical adventage over players of his age, but isn't particularlly skilled. And nba exposes those type of guys every year.


Gradey Dick might have, in vacuum, lower ceiling, but he will aslo much easier hit his floor than Cam will, imo, mostly because his shooting will make him playable right away.

On team like Magic, i really see zero value of adding non shooters. They will look worst due poor spacing and make other worst by having no ability to space floor themselfs.


And i saw many people talk about Thompsons. I just don't see how can anybody evaluate them with straight face, and watch same highlits of nothing but transition basketball against nobodies to a oblivion and come to conclusion they are watching anything more than glorified pickup games of random aged kids from 16-20. They might be good, even great. But i could film pickup ball in front of my house and hype somebody to a moon based on similar highlights. Aside from probably getting arrested for potential pedophilia, outcom would be same, one kid would look amazing , but mostly because other kids aren't, so by default.
Especially after OvertTimeElite draft count from 2022 draft is one fat big : zero.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#644 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jan 5, 2023 11:12 am

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I am sure he will be very good. But the Magic is likely to draft in the 6-10 range and in the 8-12 range.

Without lotto luck, Orlando is almost certain to come out of the draft with at least one SG with those two picks.

I would not be at all surprised if it is Dick (Magic pick) and Miller (Bulls pick) as the draftees, for example.

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Miller will go in the top 5.



I meant Baba Miller, not Brandon Miller.


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Sorry my mistake.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#645 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jan 5, 2023 11:17 am

JTG_92940618 wrote:
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basketballRob wrote:Why would you want Dick when you could have Whitmore? Whitmore is Jimmy Butler, he's the same exact size and is very physical.


Because Cam shoots 29% from 3 on 4 attempts per game while Dick shoots 47% on 6 attempts per game?


Whitmore had thumb surgery in October so it makes sense that his jump shot is rusty. For sure, he's unlikely to shoot it as well as Dick, and he needs to improve his percentages as the season goes on, BUT he's got the size, power and athleticism that Grady can only dream about.

I'd definitely take Whitmore ahead of Gradey right now.

And you ignore the most important skill in today's league: shooting
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#646 » by basketballRob » Thu Jan 5, 2023 12:03 pm

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JTG_92940618 wrote:
thelead wrote:Because Cam shoots 29% from 3 on 4 attempts per game while Dick shoots 47% on 6 attempts per game?


Whitmore had thumb surgery in October so it makes sense that his jump shot is rusty. For sure, he's unlikely to shoot it as well as Dick, and he needs to improve his percentages as the season goes on, BUT he's got the size, power and athleticism that Grady can only dream about.

I'd definitely take Whitmore ahead of Gradey right now.

And you ignore the most important skill in today's league: shooting
He can shoot. He's only had 28 3PT attempts and is shooting 82% from the line. Franz shot 311 from 3 his freshman season.

Dick won't be drafted ahead of Whitmore.

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Post#647 » by thelead » Thu Jan 5, 2023 1:38 pm

Keyonte is pretty high on my board:
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Post#648 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jan 5, 2023 1:50 pm

thelead wrote:Keyonte is pretty high on my board:

I would love George playing with Banchero, Wagner and Fultz.
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Post#649 » by basketballRob » Thu Jan 5, 2023 1:59 pm

I like George, he isn't as high as Whitmore

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Post#650 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jan 5, 2023 2:24 pm

basketballRob wrote:I like George, he isn't as high as Whitmore

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What is the obsession with Whitmore?
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Post#651 » by VFX » Thu Jan 5, 2023 2:26 pm

Like others have said, Magic have no business selecting guys that can’t shoot in the lottery.

Unless a massive multi-player trade is made, there is really no point in investing more time into guys that are inept from outside.
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Post#652 » by RichCollab » Thu Jan 5, 2023 2:33 pm

George’s first step seems average at best. Also, athleticism seems average. He doesn’t seem like a player who can drive and kick or apply rim pressure. Shooting looks great and the control he plays with. Who are his NBA comparables?
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Post#653 » by Knightro » Thu Jan 5, 2023 2:43 pm

RichCollab wrote:George’s first step seems average at best. Also, athleticism seems average. He doesn’t seem like a player who can drive and kick or apply rim pressure. Shooting looks great and the control he plays with. Who are his NBA comparables?


Eric Gordon?
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Post#654 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jan 5, 2023 3:07 pm



Magic get:
5. Ausar Thompson
10. Jett Howard
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Post#655 » by eyriq » Thu Jan 5, 2023 3:27 pm

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Magic get:
5. Ausar Thompson
10. Jett Howard
Interesting, I could get stoked about a Thompson twin and talk myself into another wolverine. Tankathon has us taking NSJ & Keyonte.

I just simmed some mock drafts at tankathon and my favorite was Scoot & Keyonte.

My gut is we trade one of these picks in a consolidation move.
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Post#656 » by Petre1978 » Thu Jan 5, 2023 3:47 pm

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Magic get:
5. Ausar Thompson
10. Jett Howard
Interesting, I could get stoked about a Thompson twin and talk myself into another wolverine. Tankathon has us taking NSJ & Keyonte.

I just simmed some mock drafts at tankathon and my favorite was Scoot & Keyonte.

My gut is we trade one of these picks in a consolidation move.

Why trade a pick when you have a chance to add 2 good prospects to your core?
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Post#658 » by KillMonger » Thu Jan 5, 2023 4:18 pm

thelead wrote:Keyonte is pretty high on my board:

even at 6'3? that is pretty much cole size....i'm high on him as well but not so much if he's cole size....i hope he measures bigger
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Post#659 » by tiderulz » Thu Jan 5, 2023 4:21 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I like George, he isn't as high as Whitmore

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What is the obsession with Whitmore?

yeah, im not seeing Whitemore. bad shooter, not good with the ball, not seeing him as the spacing SG we need.
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