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Post#641 » by davey_wavy » Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:12 am

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Savage_irony wrote:I don’t know if it means anything but I was at the Dr Phillips Publix today and Draymond Green was shopping there, for some reason. Curious if it means anything FA-wise.


I'm in between NY and Orlando but that's kinda funny, I live(d) about 5 mins from there.

Wouldn't be surprised if athletes just enjoy being in Florida during the offseason especially for golf or special events. But I did hear he was going to opt out.


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Post#642 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:00 pm

Would you do this trade?

Porzingis (opt-in) + 8 IN
Isaac, Fultz, 6 and 36 OUT

One-year tryout of KP, giving up expiring deals, 2 spots in the draft and a 2nd rounder we would have sold.


Wiz move up 2 spots, pick up a high 2nd rounder for the rebuild and get hometown boy Fultz and Isaac to try out and then decide if they want to keep, trade or waive for more cap room. Maybe Wiz needs more. Bol?

Wendell can be kept as insurance in case KP doesnt sign. We dont resign Moe W or we trade Goga.

Solve the backcourt separately and/or via draft. But we now have the offensive boost we need from the Unicorn. Staggeringly good frontcourt rotation for a year, then we consolidate- hopefully extending KP.
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Post#643 » by eyriq » Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:11 pm

jezzerinho wrote:Would you do this trade?

Porzingis (opt-in) + 8 IN
Isaac, Fultz, 6 and 36 OUT

One-year tryout of KP, giving up expiring deals, 2 spots in the draft and a 2nd rounder we would have sold.


Wiz move up 2 spots, pick up a high 2nd rounder for the rebuild and get hometown boy Fultz and Isaac to try out and then decide if they want to keep, trade or waive for more cap room. Maybe Wiz needs more. Bol?

Wendell can be kept as insurance in case KP doesnt sign. We dont resign Moe W or we trade Goga.

Solve the backcourt separately and/or via draft. But we now have the offensive boost we need from the Unicorn. Staggeringly good frontcourt rotation for a year, then we consolidate- hopefully extending KP.
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Post#644 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:12 pm

jezzerinho wrote:Would you do this trade?

Porzingis (opt-in) + 8 IN
Isaac, Fultz, 6 and 36 OUT

One-year tryout of KP, giving up expiring deals, 2 spots in the draft and a 2nd rounder we would have sold.


Wiz move up 2 spots, pick up a high 2nd rounder for the rebuild and get hometown boy Fultz and Isaac to try out and then decide if they want to keep, trade or waive for more cap room. Maybe Wiz needs more. Bol?

Wendell can be kept as insurance in case KP doesnt sign. We dont resign Moe W or we trade Goga.

Solve the backcourt separately and/or via draft. But we now have the offensive boost we need from the Unicorn. Staggeringly good frontcourt rotation for a year, then we consolidate- hopefully extending KP.


Not giving up anything for a 1 year tryout on a lottery team. That’s how GMs get fired see Hennigan Rob
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Post#645 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:15 pm

One that got mentioned in Trade thread

Cole + 11 + Bol/Okeke for Herro.

I think that’s an obvious yes but with this trade I’m moving to play in this year. Hopefully show enough to then maybe land that Star in FA to play with the nice pieces we have that actually fit

Immediately move Gary on draft night. It allows the FO 1 year of seeing Fultz with a proper shooting 2 guard before they have to pay him. Still allows you to take BPA at 6 (or trade back to 9-11 get assets) and we’d have some Cap to go after what we need to fill out.

Fultz
Herro
Franz
Paulo
WCJ

Bench - Suggs, 6th pick ( Hendricks, Black, Ausar), FA Goga, IL Isaac.
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Post#646 » by OrlChamps2030 » Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:25 pm

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JTG_92940618 wrote:Nobody loves Cole more than me but 11 + Cole + Okeke for Herro is a deal as far as I'm concerned.

Herro does his best work from 3, which is what we need with Paolo and Franz. He plays a position that we need, he's the right age and he's offense first, which works fine with our roster.

I think this is a great trade for us. I'm all about it.


Does anyone think that Gradey Dick isn't just Herro's clone. I rather just take him at 11 than trade 11+Cole for the same exact player.


If only it was guaranteed, and that easy haha

Look at past drafts - way more misses than hits. Herro is basically what you want out of a “hit” on the 11th pick..

I’m also open to trading 11 for Simons too
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Post#647 » by jezzerinho » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:37 pm

How about trading Wendell, Den '25 and Bol to Dallas for 10.

Then 6, 10 and 11 to Cha for 2.

Take your choice of Miller, Scoot and Amen.

Or doing my Porzingis trade above and then do tis Dallas trade followed by trading 8, 10 and 11 and Gary to Cha for 2.

Suggs/Cole
Miller/FA
Franz/Houstan
Paolo/Porzingis/M Wagner
Porzingis/Bitadze/M Wagner

Or

Scoot/Cole
Suggs/FA
Etc
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Post#648 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:37 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:Would you do this trade?

Porzingis (opt-in) + 8 IN
Isaac, Fultz, 6 and 36 OUT

One-year tryout of KP, giving up expiring deals, 2 spots in the draft and a 2nd rounder we would have sold.


Wiz move up 2 spots, pick up a high 2nd rounder for the rebuild and get hometown boy Fultz and Isaac to try out and then decide if they want to keep, trade or waive for more cap room. Maybe Wiz needs more. Bol?

Wendell can be kept as insurance in case KP doesnt sign. We dont resign Moe W or we trade Goga.

Solve the backcourt separately and/or via draft. But we now have the offensive boost we need from the Unicorn. Staggeringly good frontcourt rotation for a year, then we consolidate- hopefully extending KP.


Not giving up anything for a 1 year tryout on a lottery team. That’s how GMs get fired see Hennigan Rob

yeah. his healthiest year was his rookie year. I just think he is always going to have injury issues. And his best position i think is PF and we already have one. if we add another top contract player, i think it has to be at PG or SG. so that we have one at every level. for center, we need a rebounder and shot blocker.
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Post#649 » by tiderulz » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:38 pm

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:One that got mentioned in Trade thread

Cole + 11 + Bol/Okeke for Herro.

I think that’s an obvious yes but with this trade I’m moving to play in this year. Hopefully show enough to then maybe land that Star in FA to play with the nice pieces we have that actually fit

Immediately move Gary on draft night. It allows the FO 1 year of seeing Fultz with a proper shooting 2 guard before they have to pay him. Still allows you to take BPA at 6 (or trade back to 9-11 get assets) and we’d have some Cap to go after what we need to fill out.

Fultz
Herro
Franz
Paulo
WCJ

Bench - Suggs, 6th pick ( Hendricks, Black, Ausar), FA Goga, IL Isaac.

not sure its obvious. i think Miami paid Herro too much too quick. I understand the appeal, personally i would prefer Simons who is cheaper and a local guy. and being cheaper, could use the savings on a better bench.
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Post#650 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:54 pm

tiderulz wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:One that got mentioned in Trade thread

Cole + 11 + Bol/Okeke for Herro.

I think that’s an obvious yes but with this trade I’m moving to play in this year. Hopefully show enough to then maybe land that Star in FA to play with the nice pieces we have that actually fit

Immediately move Gary on draft night. It allows the FO 1 year of seeing Fultz with a proper shooting 2 guard before they have to pay him. Still allows you to take BPA at 6 (or trade back to 9-11 get assets) and we’d have some Cap to go after what we need to fill out.

Fultz
Herro
Franz
Paulo
WCJ

Bench - Suggs, 6th pick ( Hendricks, Black, Ausar), FA Goga, IL Isaac.

not sure its obvious. i think Miami paid Herro too much too quick. I understand the appeal, personally i would prefer Simons who is cheaper and a local guy. and being cheaper, could use the savings on a better bench.

yeah if we can get Anfernee then yeah that helps a lot, just ready for this FO to actually make a move to add shooting to the roster and this is the year with FA & Draft we can do that. Really hope they don't muck it up with Coulibaly/Bufkin types
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Post#651 » by jonbob17 » Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:50 pm

jezzerinho wrote:Would you do this trade?

Porzingis (opt-in) + 8 IN
Isaac, Fultz, 6 and 36 OUT

One-year tryout of KP, giving up expiring deals, 2 spots in the draft and a 2nd rounder we would have sold.


Wiz move up 2 spots, pick up a high 2nd rounder for the rebuild and get hometown boy Fultz and Isaac to try out and then decide if they want to keep, trade or waive for more cap room. Maybe Wiz needs more. Bol?

Wendell can be kept as insurance in case KP doesnt sign. We dont resign Moe W or we trade Goga.

Solve the backcourt separately and/or via draft. But we now have the offensive boost we need from the Unicorn. Staggeringly good frontcourt rotation for a year, then we consolidate- hopefully extending KP.



Porzingis isn't opting in. He just played more than 60 games for the first time since 2016-17. What he wants more than $36M next year...is 4 more years of something close. Lock in the years after one relatively healthy one. I think he only missed a couple games other than some back to backs, and then for the DC tank late.

Why not just target KP as a FA....personally i'd be terrified, but KP is a hell of a player when healthy
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Post#652 » by The-Stallion70 » Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:56 pm

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The-Stallion70 wrote:It feels like talks are starting to heat up and we have the assets and space to offer for a FVV, Lavine or Lamelo.

Who knows maybe this is the year we finally a splash.


That would be too fast. We learned our lesson with the Oladipo era.

Our franchise player is gonna be a 2nd yr this coming season. You get a star to complement your franchise ideally 3rd-4th year when the team has grown organically and you spot the weaknesses.


Ibaka ain't no Lavine or Lamelo.

Plus I hear what you saying but if mgmt thinks this is our chance to pounce then you take it because it might not be there again if you wait longer.

Plus you really don't think Lamelo's passing wouldn't help Franz and Paolo?
California Gold wrote:This is extra because people hate the Lakers and their brand so much.

This trade wasn't some conspiracy - it was just a GM wanting AD bad enough where in most people's eyes he overpaid by a long shot to get him.
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Post#653 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:58 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:It feels like talks are starting to heat up and we have the assets and space to offer for a FVV, Lavine or Lamelo.

Who knows maybe this is the year we finally a splash.


That would be too fast. We learned our lesson with the Oladipo era.

Our franchise player is gonna be a 2nd yr this coming season. You get a star to complement your franchise ideally 3rd-4th year when the team has grown organically and you spot the weaknesses.


Ibaka ain't no Lavine or Lamelo.

Plus I hear what you saying but if mgmt thinks this is our chance to pounce then you take it because it might not be there again if you wait longer.

Plus you really don't think Lamelo's passing wouldn't help Franz and Paolo?
That's true, Ibaka was in the playoffs nearly every year, and the other two haven't proved they can win.

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Post#654 » by VFX » Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:02 pm

jezzerinho wrote:Would you do this trade?

Porzingis (opt-in) + 8 IN
Isaac, Fultz, 6 and 36 OUT

One-year tryout of KP, giving up expiring deals, 2 spots in the draft and a 2nd rounder we would have sold.


Wiz move up 2 spots, pick up a high 2nd rounder for the rebuild and get hometown boy Fultz and Isaac to try out and then decide if they want to keep, trade or waive for more cap room. Maybe Wiz needs more. Bol?

Wendell can be kept as insurance in case KP doesnt sign. We dont resign Moe W or we trade Goga.

Solve the backcourt separately and/or via draft. But we now have the offensive boost we need from the Unicorn. Staggeringly good frontcourt rotation for a year, then we consolidate- hopefully extending KP.


As much as I’d like to move back from #6 two spots, while simultaneously getting rid of Isaac and Fultz, I’m not sure if KP is a good fit. It’s definitely locking up a lot of salary in front court players.

I like the idea of ‘addition by subtraction’ more than actually acquiring KP. If Orlando was able to pull this trade off with a different target I’d love it.
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Re: 2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III 

Post#655 » by VFX » Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:28 pm

How about a trade with OKC?

Bol Bol, Gary Harris, and pick #11

For

Jaylin Williams, Dario Saric (expiring), #12

Why? OKC is kinda screwed by the new CBA. They need to offload some of their talent to stagger their contracts. There is no way they’ll be able to resign all of those guys. Orlando trades back 1 pick and gets Williams who can get a decent run of minutes.

Is this a completely unrealistic homer trade?
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Post#656 » by RookieStar » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:24 pm

The-Stallion70 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
The-Stallion70 wrote:It feels like talks are starting to heat up and we have the assets and space to offer for a FVV, Lavine or Lamelo.

Who knows maybe this is the year we finally a splash.


That would be too fast. We learned our lesson with the Oladipo era.

Our franchise player is gonna be a 2nd yr this coming season. You get a star to complement your franchise ideally 3rd-4th year when the team has grown organically and you spot the weaknesses.


Ibaka ain't no Lavine or Lamelo.

Plus I hear what you saying but if mgmt thinks this is our chance to pounce then you take it because it might not be there again if you wait longer.

Plus you really don't think Lamelo's passing wouldn't help Franz and Paolo?


Anyone's skill can help Franz and Paolo. However, is that what we really need now? Consider we have Fultz and Paolo that handles the ball majority of the time. Also, I shudder to think the price that LAmelo would demand.
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Post#657 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:07 pm

MagicMatic wrote:How about a trade with OKC?

Bol Bol, Gary Harris, and pick #11

For

Jaylin Williams, Dario Saric (expiring), #12

Why? OKC is kinda screwed by the new CBA. They need to offload some of their talent to stagger their contracts. There is no way they’ll be able to resign all of those guys. Orlando trades back 1 pick and gets Williams who can get a decent run of minutes.

Is this a completely unrealistic homer trade?
Yes, I think it's unrealistic. OKC isn't going to trade Williams.

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Post#658 » by ogmagicfan » Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:37 pm

Can someone tell the delusional Suns & Mavs fans we're not going to trade WCJ for their shi*ty trade offers?
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Post#659 » by RookieStar » Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:33 am

ogmagicfan wrote:Can someone tell the delusional Suns & Mavs fans we're not going to trade WCJ for their shi*ty trade offers?


Wait... what and where are their trade threads?
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Post#660 » by basketballRob » Mon Jun 19, 2023 12:50 am

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ogmagicfan wrote:Can someone tell the delusional Suns & Mavs fans we're not going to trade WCJ for their shi*ty trade offers?


Wait... what and where are their trade threads?
It looks like Twitter is crazy with rumors. Wendell, Suggs, and assets for Dallas ' 10th pick or Ayton. A few Golden State fans think we'll give them players and picks for Poole.

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