Orlando Magic Vegas Summer League Games Thread Discussion (vs. Boston)

[KillMonger]

He's not serious about that post lol.. he's making fun of people overreacting from the games and that was his one good game so far. He is interesting though if he can get it all together - there's a lot of guys like that in this draft

yeah i was hoping people picked up on that.....it's knee jerk central right now lol....i mean people called wemby a bust after one summer league game

[tiderulz]

I want to add. That Herro isn't available to us for a 1st round pick. Or even 2, or even 3.

Heat will not make a trade that makes us a conference rival better. Now would he do this trade to a west coast team? Probably.

The Heat would do whatever they can to get Dame while keeping Bam and Butler. Unfortunately (for the heat) they just don't have enough. Herro is about it, and even with a 3rd team giving a couple firsts for Herro(i dont think any team would) that isn't getting a deal done.

I think one REAL frp...not the DEN pick (only) should be a fair deal for Herro...what MIA adds is between them and POR. I suggest ORL 24 frp (top 5 protected). The protection covers us for a catastrophic injury-riddled season. 2024 isn't a high rated draft. ORL does NOT need more rookies around anyway. IF things go right (with Herro and Black and Jett...) they should - we're not even in the lottery next summer. Think about the real value of a proven player vs a shot in the dark, roll of the dice, 19 year old-added to a bunch of them (again).

Herro's deal, in realistic perspective, isn't out of line. He's young and potent offensively. He shoots 3's at a very high level, but he's not some spot up Kyle Korver, he's a very dynamic offensive creator. He's not a great defender...If he was he wouldn't be available and he'd be getting a max. He could play next to Fultz, Black, or even Suggs, as he is multi-dimensional AND can shoot consistently and aggressively. We would be snatching him for a very good deal because MIA has eyes on something MUCH bigger in Dame to win NOW. MIA, is in no way, "dumping" Herro...they are being forced to sacrifice.

It is conceivable that ORL is not in the mix because MIA does not want to face him 4x a year...that is NOT a sign of disrespect!

if we are dealing one of ours, then i would make it top-10, top-13 protected. thats the most i would go.

[Skybox]

The Heat would do whatever they can to get Dame while keeping Bam and Butler. Unfortunately (for the heat) they just don't have enough. Herro is about it, and even with a 3rd team giving a couple firsts for Herro(i dont think any team would) that isn't getting a deal done.

I think one REAL frp...not the DEN pick (only) should be a fair deal for Herro...what MIA adds is between them and POR. I suggest ORL 24 frp (top 5 protected). The protection covers us for a catastrophic injury-riddled season. 2024 isn't a high rated draft. ORL does NOT need more rookies around anyway. IF things go right (with Herro and Black and Jett...) they should - we're not even in the lottery next summer. Think about the real value of a proven player vs a shot in the dark, roll of the dice, 19 year old-added to a bunch of them (again).

Herro's deal, in realistic perspective, isn't out of line. He's young and potent offensively. He shoots 3's at a very high level, but he's not some spot up Kyle Korver, he's a very dynamic offensive creator. He's not a great defender...If he was he wouldn't be available and he'd be getting a max. He could play next to Fultz, Black, or even Suggs, as he is multi-dimensional AND can shoot consistently and aggressively. We would be snatching him for a very good deal because MIA has eyes on something MUCH bigger in Dame to win NOW. MIA, is in no way, "dumping" Herro...they are being forced to sacrifice.

It is conceivable that ORL is not in the mix because MIA does not want to face him 4x a year...that is NOT a sign of disrespect!

if we are dealing one of ours, then i would make it top-10, top-13 protected. thats the most i would go.

I'd think that's reasonable too, even if we had to throw in the DEN pick or a handful of 2nds

[JoshuaPotter]

i wouldnt give more than the Denver pick, and i would be just a little hesitant. Miami scouting and development are great, then find and develop gems. but then Riley dumps bags of money on the players really early. They are already regretting Duncan Robinson's deal 2 years later and i bet they regret Herro and his $30mil/yr avg a little. thats a lot for a SG that isnt close to a 2-way player.

I want to add. That Herro isn't available to us for a 1st round pick. Or even 2, or even 3.

Heat will not make a trade that makes us a conference rival better. Now would he do this trade to a west coast team? Probably.

Miami and Orlando are not trading partners. Maybe for protected 2nd round picks to dump salary. But not for something substantial.

Thats the mean way of saying what I said. So +1

[thelead]

Adding another guard to this lineup, by trading solely picks, would be hilarious

[orlando_joe]

I think one REAL frp...not the DEN pick (only) should be a fair deal for Herro...what MIA adds is between them and POR. I suggest ORL 24 frp (top 5 protected). The protection covers us for a catastrophic injury-riddled season. 2024 isn't a high rated draft. ORL does NOT need more rookies around anyway. IF things go right (with Herro and Black and Jett...) they should - we're not even in the lottery next summer. Think about the real value of a proven player vs a shot in the dark, roll of the dice, 19 year old-added to a bunch of them (again).

Herro's deal, in realistic perspective, isn't out of line. He's young and potent offensively. He shoots 3's at a very high level, but he's not some spot up Kyle Korver, he's a very dynamic offensive creator. He's not a great defender...If he was he wouldn't be available and he'd be getting a max. He could play next to Fultz, Black, or even Suggs, as he is multi-dimensional AND can shoot consistently and aggressively. We would be snatching him for a very good deal because MIA has eyes on something MUCH bigger in Dame to win NOW. MIA, is in no way, "dumping" Herro...they are being forced to sacrifice.

It is conceivable that ORL is not in the mix because MIA does not want to face him 4x a year...that is NOT a sign of disrespect!

if we are dealing one of ours, then i would make it top-10, top-13 protected. thats the most i would go.

I'd think that's reasonable too, even if we had to throw in the DEN pick or a handful of 2nds

are you saying you would give useful players i think magic have no bad money or contract on books so...and 2-first rd picks plus a handful of 2nds ...wow!

[tiderulz]

I think one REAL frp...not the DEN pick (only) should be a fair deal for Herro...what MIA adds is between them and POR. I suggest ORL 24 frp (top 5 protected). The protection covers us for a catastrophic injury-riddled season. 2024 isn't a high rated draft. ORL does NOT need more rookies around anyway. IF things go right (with Herro and Black and Jett...) they should - we're not even in the lottery next summer. Think about the real value of a proven player vs a shot in the dark, roll of the dice, 19 year old-added to a bunch of them (again).

Herro's deal, in realistic perspective, isn't out of line. He's young and potent offensively. He shoots 3's at a very high level, but he's not some spot up Kyle Korver, he's a very dynamic offensive creator. He's not a great defender...If he was he wouldn't be available and he'd be getting a max. He could play next to Fultz, Black, or even Suggs, as he is multi-dimensional AND can shoot consistently and aggressively. We would be snatching him for a very good deal because MIA has eyes on something MUCH bigger in Dame to win NOW. MIA, is in no way, "dumping" Herro...they are being forced to sacrifice.

It is conceivable that ORL is not in the mix because MIA does not want to face him 4x a year...that is NOT a sign of disrespect!

if we are dealing one of ours, then i would make it top-10, top-13 protected. thats the most i would go.

I'd think that's reasonable too, even if we had to throw in the DEN pick or a handful of 2nds

im not giving 2 picks. not just adding more to Miami's offer. i get getting a legit SG, but lets not add more to Miami than we would have to

[tiderulz]

Adding another guard to this lineup, by trading solely picks, would be hilarious

it would obviously require Harris being moved at the minimum, and Suggs' shot will still have to look broke

plus, i dont think we have the cap room for strictly picks, so salary would have to go out.

[Skybox]

Adding another guard to this lineup, by trading solely picks, would be hilarious

it would obviously require Harris being moved at the minimum, and Suggs' shot will still have to look broke

plus, i dont think we have the cap room for strictly picks, so salary would have to go out.

Yes...the cap room ship has sailed, right into Moe and Jingles' pockets...would have to be some salary going back, logically starting with Harris.

[Skybox]

if we are dealing one of ours, then i would make it top-10, top-13 protected. thats the most i would go.

I'd think that's reasonable too, even if we had to throw in the DEN pick or a handful of 2nds

are you saying you would give useful players i think magic have no bad money or contract on books so...and 2-first rd picks plus a handful of 2nds ...wow!

Yes, cling to our lack of bad money and lack of legit scorers and, most of all, cling to those 2nds - we've seen what they amount to

[orlando_joe]

I'd think that's reasonable too, even if we had to throw in the DEN pick or a handful of 2nds

are you saying you would give useful players i think magic have no bad money or contract on books so...and 2-first rd picks plus a handful of 2nds ...wow!

Yes, cling to our lack of bad money and lack of legit scorers and, most of all, cling to those 2nds - we've seen what they amount to

yes one of the best looking rebuilds in magic history with extra first all of magic firsts and 9 axtra 2nds all of there own and almost 100 mill in cap space for next summer if they want the best flexibility i ever remember and team filled with lottery picks with high ceilings and chance to trade for real 2-way difference maker with expiring contracts and picks when chance comes up..thats not poole or hero

[Skybox]

are you saying you would give useful players i think magic have no bad money or contract on books so...and 2-first rd picks plus a handful of 2nds ...wow!

Yes, cling to our lack of bad money and lack of legit scorers and, most of all, cling to those 2nds - we've seen what they amount to

yes one of the best looking rebuilds in magic history with extra first all of magic firsts and 9 axtra 2nds all of there own and almost 100 mill in cap space for next summer if they want the best flexibility i ever remember and team filled with lottery picks with high ceilings and chance to trade for real 2-way difference maker with expiring contracts and picks when chance comes up..thats not poole or hero

Doesn't help you on the court if you keep it in your wallet. Herro for, basically, a pick in a bad draft -that should be out of the lottery is a steal and MIA knows that, but is hunting bigger, more immediate game...but keep all of your gold locked up and bar the doors.

[jonbob17]

I think one REAL frp...not the DEN pick (only) should be a fair deal for Herro...what MIA adds is between them and POR. I suggest ORL 24 frp (top 5 protected). The protection covers us for a catastrophic injury-riddled season. 2024 isn't a high rated draft. ORL does NOT need more rookies around anyway. IF things go right (with Herro and Black and Jett...) they should - we're not even in the lottery next summer. Think about the real value of a proven player vs a shot in the dark, roll of the dice, 19 year old-added to a bunch of them (again).

Herro's deal, in realistic perspective, isn't out of line. He's young and potent offensively. He shoots 3's at a very high level, but he's not some spot up Kyle Korver, he's a very dynamic offensive creator. He's not a great defender...If he was he wouldn't be available and he'd be getting a max. He could play next to Fultz, Black, or even Suggs, as he is multi-dimensional AND can shoot consistently and aggressively. We would be snatching him for a very good deal because MIA has eyes on something MUCH bigger in Dame to win NOW. MIA, is in no way, "dumping" Herro...they are being forced to sacrifice.

It is conceivable that ORL is not in the mix because MIA does not want to face him 4x a year...that is NOT a sign of disrespect!

if we are dealing one of ours, then i would make it top-10, top-13 protected. thats the most i would go.

I'd think that's reasonable too, even if we had to throw in the DEN pick or a handful of 2nds

The problem as I see it is we don't know how the time is going to be split as it stands now. Even if we moved one or more of the guards. Herro is a nice player. I am not sure he's worth 4/120, even if he is it's not like he's a bargain on that deal. Honestly, I have been pretty critical, but I'd probably rather have Simons (4/100)

Say we moved Fultz and a lottery protected first for Herro. Then what..does that just move Suggs down the pecking order? Suggs hasn't been great, but even if he just shoots league average from 3, with his defense, i think that is more valuable than Herro shooting a similar rate with more offense generation. Herro is undoubtedly a better player now, but is paid like one, and it's hard not to believe that Suggs can't beat Herro's production by the end of his rookie deal.

As it comes to Lillard. He was so insanely good on offense last year. Clearly he would be perfect on the Heat who could bail out his defense...but even with the instance above is Portland going to take a protected 2024 first (from a team i believe will make the playoffs), a 2028 first, a 2030 first, Markell Fultz and Duncan Robinson...maybe Jaimie Jaquez once he becomes trade eligible. Thats just a poo poo platter for a guy like Dame...Duncan Robinsons deal offsets one of those future firsts.
And lets be serious Porland tanked this year (out tanked the Magic)....and tanked in 2021-22 too (finished the season 2-21)...they are really two years into their rebuild. they are not going to settle for picks 5 and 7 years from now. There has to be a better trading partner, this Dame deal only makes sense for Miami.

[Skybox]

if we are dealing one of ours, then i would make it top-10, top-13 protected. thats the most i would go.

I'd think that's reasonable too, even if we had to throw in the DEN pick or a handful of 2nds

The problem as I see it is we don't know how the time is going to be split as it stands now. Even if we moved one or more of the guards. Herro is a nice player. I am not sure he's worth 4/120, even if he is it's not like he's a bargain on that deal. Honestly, I have been pretty critical, but I'd probably rather have Simons (4/100)

Say we moved Fultz and a lottery protected first for Herro. Then what..does that just move Suggs down the pecking order? Suggs hasn't been great, but even if he just shoots league average from 3, with his defense, i think that is more valuable than Herro shooting a similar rate with more offense generation. Herro is undoubtedly a better player now, but is paid like one, and it's hard not to believe that Suggs can't beat Herro's production by the end of his rookie deal. (EDIT had no idea the league average was 37.7% from 3 last year...clearly getting skewed by the high volume great shooters)

As it comes to Lillard. He was so insanely good on offense last year. Clearly he would be perfect on the Heat who could bail out his defense...but even with the instance above is Portland going to take a protected 2024 first (from a team i believe will make the playoffs), a 2028 first, a 2030 first, Markell Fultz and Duncan Robinson...maybe Jaimie Jaquez once he becomes trade eligible. Thats just a poo poo platter for a guy like Dame....And lets be serious Porland tanked this year (out tanked the Magic)....and tanked in 2021-22 too (finished the season 2-21)...they are really two years into their rebuild. they are not going to settle for picks 5 and 7 years from now. There has to be a better trading partner, this Dame deal only makes sense for Miami.

POR is in a pickle...he's got one approved destination and if they don't get moving on a trade soon, I expect his agency will start making it messy with warnings (already fired a couple) like "IF you aren't MIA and you trade for Dame, he won't be happy"...sadly, the players really do have a ton of leverage. Teams have to just do the best they can, but can't really go too far and piss off stars or agents. Beal just used his "undying loyalty" to rape WAS with a SuperMax he was unworthy of and a no-trade clause - then he turned around and forced a trade. I don't like it, but guys aren't grateful for the money and the opportunity and the fans when it comes down to it. He'll only see it from his own perspective, "I did so much for the franchise (and got paid absurd amounts), I was loyal (whatever that means), they should "do right" by me...". I'm not anti-labor or jumping into the BS "slavery" accusations made by millionaire 20 yr olds, I just think Dame to MIA is fairly inevitable and there will, ultimately, be a huge step back for POR...BUT, they've got some nice young talent and may have some more incoming as they enter the rebuild. Also, Dame's an OLD guy on a CRAZY contract...it's a safe bet that he'll go negative/deeply negative in a couple of years or sooner if an unfortunate injury. He's an awesome player, but it is what it is.

[AaronB]

POR is going to be sorely disappointed in what they get for DL.

It has been 3 years since a DL led team made the playoffs and 5 since a DL led team has done anything in the playoffs. This is not the resume of a current Super Star. This is the resume of a former Super Star.

He scores a ton it is true, but there are other aspects of his game that are really bad. I only watched 2 games of theirs this year (they were later in the year) and to say he was a traffic cone on defense is an insult to traffic cones everywhere. Putting him and Simons in the same backcourt was like watching the Keystone cops play defense.

I wish them well, but I don't think that there is a good ending for DL and POR.

[Residual-Heat]

Are the rookies playing vs the Knicks tonight?

[basketballRob]

Are the rookies playing vs the Knicks tonight?

No one knows

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[RookieStar]

I think the question should be, will Kai finally play tonight? Seeing as the knicks aren't really bringing nay nba rotation guys as well.

[basketballRob]

Oh lord, now Raptor fans are starting the Dick is better than Howard. By training camp, it'll be Dick is better than Howard and Black.

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[SOUL]

Oh lord, now Raptor fans are starting the Dick is better than Howard. By training camp, it'll be Dick is better than Howard and Black.

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Does it matter? Teams are going to get excited when their players play well and if you mean on Twitter, then every team just talks **** to each other lol.

Last few days they were saying he was a bust and they should've gotten George, just like Miller/Nick Smith were busts until last night. It's good a lot of players are having more breakout games.