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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 - Nothing is Happening 

Post#641 » by yoyojw17 » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:06 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:I can get along with that off-season. But a person I would target before monk would still be a trade of salary cap + pick/goga+pick/ something for Caruso. I just like the guy. He's a no nonsense type player... that brings that dog to the game.... knows his role on the court. He's an efficient shooter around the entire court and currently still a better defender than suggs.

Just imagine a team of Caruso, Suggs, Franz, Paolo, Claxton... I believe in Suggs, Franz, Paolo making continuous strides forward offensively. But the defense could be on a totally different level. From a financial standpoint... that would also leave us with decent flexibility. Plus... black comes into his own.... he can take the wheel as well afterwards.

I like caruso but the price they are looking for in exchange is reportedly quite high, given his age.


That team would struggle to score 80 points. Caruso is the most overhyped role player in the league. He's good but Suggs is already better than him on both ends. Just not what we need.

Don't look for a 40% 3pt shooter without examining volume and overall scoring. We need an impactful offensive guard, not another defensive-minded veteran role player hitting a career high of 10ppg. That lineup doesn't have anyone close to a PG...I WISH Suggs was, but he isn't. He'd be playing PG NOW if he was...look at our roster.


See the thing.... just cuz a player doesn't score a lot.... doesn't mean the offensive rating on the court has to be less. The style of play ... the way they move the ball on the court... lack of turnovers.... ball movement... etc. all come into play. Would you be surprised that he has a higher/similar offensive rating that Trae Young? Well... he does. Young scores 16-17 more points than caruso. and we won't even compare the defensive ratings. :-D

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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#642 » by Skybox » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:26 pm

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Skybox wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
100%


fanboys don't like me proposing reasonable trades where we actually give something back - I get it.

How about Fultz for Simons?


I’m just tired of the noise you create in the forums. You are so unserious.


Pretty sure you can block my posts and any others that don’t blindly celebrate with you
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#643 » by AaronB » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:29 pm

RichCollab wrote:
Skybox wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
100%


fanboys don't like me proposing reasonable trades where we actually give something back - I get it.

How about Fultz for Simons?


I’m just tired of the noise you create in the forums. You are so unserious.


You can always ignore or better yet, view a sports forum as entertainment.

In my view, Skyboxes many many stupid trades (with a few good ones) are clearly entertaining.
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 - Nothing is Happening 

Post#644 » by Skybox » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:33 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
fendilim wrote:I like caruso but the price they are looking for in exchange is reportedly quite high, given his age.


That team would struggle to score 80 points. Caruso is the most overhyped role player in the league. He's good but Suggs is already better than him on both ends. Just not what we need.

Don't look for a 40% 3pt shooter without examining volume and overall scoring. We need an impactful offensive guard, not another defensive-minded veteran role player hitting a career high of 10ppg. That lineup doesn't have anyone close to a PG...I WISH Suggs was, but he isn't. He'd be playing PG NOW if he was...look at our roster.


See the thing.... just cuz a player doesn't score a lot.... doesn't mean the offensive rating on the court has to be less. The style of play ... the way they move the ball on the court... lack of turnovers.... ball movement... etc. all come into play. Would you be surprised that he has a higher/similar offensive rating that Trae Young? Well... he does. Young scores 16-17 more points than caruso. and we won't even compare the defensive ratings. :-D



He’s an excellent, efficient player, solid on both ends…but wouldn’t move the needle much for a team with Fultz, Suggs, Black,Harris, Cole in the backcourt…that’s a pretty abstract advanced stat if you’re implying that Caruso’s effect on offense is in the same stratosphere as Trae. Kind of how early Bamba looked like Wilt Chamberlain per 36. Some stats don’t tell the story.

ORL needs a scorer from the perimeter. That’s just not who he is.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#645 » by Skybox » Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:37 pm

AaronB wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Skybox wrote:
fanboys don't like me proposing reasonable trades where we actually give something back - I get it.

How about Fultz for Simons?


I’m just tired of the noise you create in the forums. You are so unserious.


You can always ignore or better yet, view a sports forum as entertainment.

In my view, Skyboxes many many stupid trades (with a few good ones) are clearly entertaining.



Thanks, I think :lol:

seriously, I don’t post anything without some thought and some evidence and I don’t think I post unrealistic value thefts like many do. I always consider the other team’s priorities, to the best of my knowledge. I’m obviously not wielding any influence- it’s just takes to consider. I would hope that’s more interesting to you all than some of the thoughtless boring takes on here.

I’ll try to use smaller words too, for Rich. Maybe that’ll help
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#646 » by orlando_joe » Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:28 pm

AaronB wrote:
RichCollab wrote:
Skybox wrote:
fanboys don't like me proposing reasonable trades where we actually give something back - I get it.

How about Fultz for Simons?


I’m just tired of the noise you create in the forums. You are so unserious.


You can always ignore or better yet, view a sports forum as entertainment.

In my view, Skyboxes many many stupid trades (with a few good ones) are clearly entertaining.

this is how i see them...my posts may not come across as such...but i really do enjoy them
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#647 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 12, 2024 2:57 am

How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#648 » by MasterGMer » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:02 am

Knightro wrote:How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?


a lot of money 8-)

He is a 15 ppg scorer in the league this season plus 40% 3pt%. He could be a big addition to add to Franz and Paolo's scoring. He can come off the bench also if we let go Harris, Fultz and some of the Free Agents.
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Post#649 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:21 am

Knightro wrote:How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?
None. It's a hard veto on any guard acquisition.

Edit: the only guard rotation I want next season is AB/Suggs/Cole/Jett
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#650 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:29 am

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?
None. It's a hard veto on any guard acquisition.

Edit: the only guard rotation I want next season is AB/Suggs/Cole/Jett


Sickening :lol:
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#651 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:39 am

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?
None. It's a hard veto on any guard acquisition.

Edit: the only guard rotation I want next season is AB/Suggs/Cole/Jett


Sickening
Eh, I just can't fathom using pre-extension cap space on a guard when we've already invested 3 lotto picks into the backcourt. It actually strikes me as incongruent. We need to use assets more efficiently, and pre-extension cap space can be used on a big like Claxton. Let the lotto talent blossom, and usher in the extension season with a young and hungry team.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#652 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:59 am

eyriq wrote:Eh, I just can't fathom using pre-extension cap space on a guard when we've already invested 3 lotto picks into the backcourt. It actually strikes me as incongruent. We need to use assets more efficiently, and pre-extension cap space can be used on a big like Claxton. Let the lotto talent blossom, and usher in the extension season with a young and hungry team.


But think about it...

Carter is under contract. Moritz is under contract. Isaac is under contract. Everyone loves Goga and would love him to return too.

You're willing to pay Claxton big money when he is absolutely a 1 position player and can't necessarily share the floor with all those guys I listed above, but you're not willing to pay Monk - who would unquestionably be the best offensive guard on the roster from his first day in a Magic uniform - and could share the floor as a lead guard or off guard with basically everybody?

I am absolutely, positively not factoring in Black or Jett (especially Jett) into my plans on how to upgrade this roster.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#653 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:03 am

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:Eh, I just can't fathom using pre-extension cap space on a guard when we've already invested 3 lotto picks into the backcourt. It actually strikes me as incongruent. We need to use assets more efficiently, and pre-extension cap space can be used on a big like Claxton. Let the lotto talent blossom, and usher in the extension season with a young and hungry team.


But think about it...

I am absolutely, positively not factoring in Black or Jett (especially Jett) into my plans on how to upgrade this roster.


This is the disconnect
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Post#654 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:08 am

eyriq wrote:This is the disconnect


The Magic can let Fultz and Gary walk, sign Monk and go into next season with Suggs, Monk, Cole, Black and Jett as their five guards.

What's wrong with that? Black and Jett each slide up a spot from where they are this year (5th and 6th guard), and if you want them to each slide up two spots, then you just trade Cole!
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#655 » by eyriq » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:26 am

Knightro wrote:
eyriq wrote:This is the disconnect


The Magic can let Fultz and Gary walk, sign Monk and go into next season with Suggs, Monk, Cole, Black and Jett as their five guards.

What's wrong with that? Black and Jett each slide up a spot from where they are this year (5th and 6th guard), and if you want them to each slide up two spots, then you just trade Cole!


Any scenario that frees up pre-extension cap space has us renouncing Fultz, Harris and Okeke, so a good point there.

That leaves us with AB starting, Suggs starting, Cole as the backup PG, and Jett as the backup SG. This is optimal exposure for the lotto talent. I don't want to mess that up if I don't have to.

Because of that, my first path is to pursue Claxton. We either sign him out right or pull off a SnT. I try and keep WCJ and Isaac (if healthy). Moe is on the deep bench, Goga is gone.

If we can't get Claxton I try for an Ingles upgrade I guess. I don't bury AB and Jett under any circumstances. This year is insane enough on that front.

Edit: but upgrading Cole is an interesting idea as well... Good point there too
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Re: Official 2023-2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 - Nothing is Happening 

Post#656 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:49 am

Skybox wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
That team would struggle to score 80 points. Caruso is the most overhyped role player in the league. He's good but Suggs is already better than him on both ends. Just not what we need.

Don't look for a 40% 3pt shooter without examining volume and overall scoring. We need an impactful offensive guard, not another defensive-minded veteran role player hitting a career high of 10ppg. That lineup doesn't have anyone close to a PG...I WISH Suggs was, but he isn't. He'd be playing PG NOW if he was...look at our roster.


See the thing.... just cuz a player doesn't score a lot.... doesn't mean the offensive rating on the court has to be less. The style of play ... the way they move the ball on the court... lack of turnovers.... ball movement... etc. all come into play. Would you be surprised that he has a higher/similar offensive rating that Trae Young? Well... he does. Young scores 16-17 more points than caruso. and we won't even compare the defensive ratings. :-D



He’s an excellent, efficient player, solid on both ends…but wouldn’t move the needle much for a team with Fultz, Suggs, Black,Harris, Cole in the backcourt…that’s a pretty abstract advanced stat if you’re implying that Caruso’s effect on offense is in the same stratosphere as Trae. Kind of how early Bamba looked like Wilt Chamberlain per 36. Some stats don’t tell the story.

ORL needs a scorer from the perimeter. That’s just not who he is.


I really like Caruso as a backup on many teams, but he probably wouldn't get more burn on the Magic. I don't really see him getting as much play as he has this season due to Lavines injury issues which makes him valuable to be kept by the Bulls and his very cheap contract.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#657 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:52 am

Skybox wrote:
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RichCollab wrote:
I’m just tired of the noise you create in the forums. You are so unserious.


You can always ignore or better yet, view a sports forum as entertainment.

In my view, Skyboxes many many stupid trades (with a few good ones) are clearly entertaining.



Thanks, I think :lol:

seriously, I don’t post anything without some thought and some evidence and I don’t think I post unrealistic value thefts like many do. I always consider the other team’s priorities, to the best of my knowledge. I’m obviously not wielding any influence- it’s just takes to consider. I would hope that’s more interesting to you all than some of the thoughtless boring takes on here.

I’ll try to use smaller words too, for Rich. Maybe that’ll help


Everyone posts good and bad trade ideas which is a good thing as it gives us all something to reflect on which you can take as a good thing in my opinion.
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Post#658 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Feb 12, 2024 5:01 am

Knightro wrote:How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?


$12-14 mil per being the Magic don't target him due being the team targets guys with high character it seems. He may choose a team where he has a chance to start somewhere being he has been backup everywhere he has been outside his tenure on an injury riddled losing season. He has never truly started a game outside the Lakers problem season.
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#659 » by pepe1991 » Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:30 am

I don't see how Malik Monk will cost below $20M

Dinwiddie costed around $20M , Brogdon 22,5M, Rozier $23
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Re: Official Summer 2024 Magic Trade Ideas Thread 3.0 

Post#660 » by Skybox » Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:03 pm

pepe1991 wrote:I don't see how Malik Monk will cost below $20M

Dinwiddie costed around $20M , Brogdon 22,5M, Rozier $23


Agree…plus he’s got a good thing in SAC. Fox is his best friend…it would take a starting role and salary. I’d be excited for him, but have my doubts for sure…I’d say $20per (which might not do it). We could front load it as much as possible to take advantage of our cap situation.

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