2025 NBA Draft

[KillMonger]

That last play for Houston was supposed to be an elevator, other big didn't get there in time..... Couldn't imagine how it feels for some of the Houston players.... For some of them that will be their last college basketball memory, to end it not even getting a shot off

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[VFX]

3-10 in the championship game 1-7 from 3 in 35 minutes. Truly a top 5 pick in this draft.

[VFX]

That last play for Houston was supposed to be an elevator, other big didn't get there in time..... Couldn't imagine how it feels for some of the Houston players.... For some of them that will be their last college basketball memory, to end it not even getting a shot off

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If it makes you feel better they had no business beating Duke after that massive choke job. They got beat by the better team in Florida.

[eyriq]

Top 5 Shortlist (Ranked):
1. Liam McNeeley – Best blend of fit and upside (shooting, size, IQ)
2. Walter Clayton Jr. – Immediate impact guard, elite shooter, low mistake player (BPM 11.2)
3. Derik Queen – Playmaking big to groom behind/with Wendell, addresses playmaking need in frontcourt
4. Kam Jones – Versatile guard who checks both playmaking and shooting boxes for second unit or spot starts
5. Rasheer Fleming – Two-way forward, could become Swiss-army-knife defender with a developing shot

[pepe1991]

Final 4 was entertaining but still goes to show you how far all that is from pro sports.

Duke lost game that normal basketball team never should, especially in high stake game. They could literally hold ball for 30 sec for last 3 possessions, throw it in the air and still win it. Yet they lost lead and couldn't get shot up at the end.

Last two min of a game in finals, you have 30 sec on the clock, even if you set most basic offensive set, for such a long period of time, defense will crack and you will get good shot /layup. Over and over Houston failed to set anything. Like dude wasted 25 sec just to shoot contested, 3 steps away from a line 3 point shot. And got blocked. Next time around guy can't even elevate for layup. In transition with 40 sec to play defender turns back to guy who attacks rim, guy bumps him and gets foul. Next possession guy dribble ball right at his knee. On last play guy commits almost double dribble in first step and loses ball. Pure amateurism with complete lack of basketball awareness.


Whole Clayton "lottery pick" talk is crazy.
Age vise he is: same age as Kuminga and Giddey - they will be 5th year players while he will be rookie.
Dyson Daniels, Sharpe, Duren - will be in last year of rookie deals, while he will be rookie, they are younger than him.

Almost entire rookie class 2023 is younger than him. Send today some Coulibaly to college and guy would be 20-10-5 guy, and yet, he is only 20.

imo, Clayton won't be selected in first round, and for sure not with top 20 picks.
Demand for senior who is 25% usage player, is undersized, draws little fouls, isn't playmaker, isn't that athletic is way lower than some people here think. Why majority of people don't like Simons, Sexton, Cole? Because they don't value undersized scoring guards . What do you think 6'2 Clayton is?

[Ducklett]

My Gators won.

TDS went 18th pick, do you guys think he is better than Clayton?

We certainly take him if he gets to us in the 2nd round, right?

[KillMonger]

Good chance he's there at the Denver pick, if he's a more consistent Cole then that's worth it..... Need to get rid of Cole... Queen could be there at our pick which is what I'm hoping..... He's essentially a very cheap Naz ried

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[Skybox]

Good chance he's there at the Denver pick, if he's a more consistent Cole then that's worth it..... Need to get rid of Cole... Queen could be there at our pick which is what I'm hoping..... He's essentially a very cheap Naz ried

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Really hope we don't come out of the draft with...
-a cheaper, smaller, less athletic Cole
and
- a one way undersized Center to replace Moe

IF Clayton is there in the second round, great

[basketballRob]

For those who didn't watch the game last night. Clayton was getting doubled as soon as he crossed half court all night.

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[basketballRob]

Good chance he's there at the Denver pick, if he's a more consistent Cole then that's worth it..... Need to get rid of Cole... Queen could be there at our pick which is what I'm hoping..... He's essentially a very cheap Naz ried

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Really hope we don't come out of the draft with...
-a cheaper, smaller, less athletic Cole
and
- a one way undersized Center to replace Moe

IF Clayton is there in the second round, great

Are you talking about Clayton? Have you ever watched him dunk? He's got as much spring as Cole, and he's stronger. Clayton was a star QB in high school who got offers from all the big schools. He's also bigger than Cole.

If you're talking about Sorber? He looks like Jaren Jackson to me. He's athletic with a 7'6" wingspan. Others compare him to Robert Williams, Wendell, and Horford.

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[Skybox]

Good chance he's there at the Denver pick, if he's a more consistent Cole then that's worth it..... Need to get rid of Cole... Queen could be there at our pick which is what I'm hoping..... He's essentially a very cheap Naz ried

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Really hope we don't come out of the draft with...
-a cheaper, smaller, less athletic Cole
and
- a one way undersized Center to replace Moe

IF Clayton is there in the second round, great

Are you talking about Clayton? Have you ever watched him dunk? He's got as much spring as Cole, and he's stronger. Clayton was a star QB in high school who got offers from all the big schools. He's also bigger than Cole.

If you're talking about Sorber? He looks like Jaren Jackson to me. He's athletic with a 7'6" wingspan. Others compare him to Robert Williams, Wendell, and Horford.

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Aren't you the guy that consistently discounts older rookies just because they're older?

I WAS definitely talking about Clayton. I was talking about Queen-the Naz Reid comp is pretty good. Very good offensive player - just not what I feel we need unless we decline Moe's deal (which I wouldn't recommend...I actually like Sorber IF he falls to the DEN pick...I definitely look to trade the ORL pick in a package for a scoring backcourt player.

[Bensational]

Really hope we don't come out of the draft with...
-a cheaper, smaller, less athletic Cole
and
- a one way undersized Center to replace Moe

IF Clayton is there in the second round, great

You're talking about my fav draft combo, aren’t you? Clayton/Wolf! (Yaxel is cool tho). I like the idea of a 2nd unit of:

Wolf
Isaac
TDS/Houstan
Clayton
Black

Then we can put the rest of our assets (KCP, Cole, WCJ, Goga, Jett) towards upgrading starting PG and C. Probs need an Isaac upgrade too.

[basketballRob]

Really hope we don't come out of the draft with...
-a cheaper, smaller, less athletic Cole
and
- a one way undersized Center to replace Moe

IF Clayton is there in the second round, great

Are you talking about Clayton? Have you ever watched him dunk? He's got as much spring as Cole, and he's stronger. Clayton was a star QB in high school who got offers from all the big schools. He's also bigger than Cole.

If you're talking about Sorber? He looks like Jaren Jackson to me. He's athletic with a 7'6" wingspan. Others compare him to Robert Williams, Wendell, and Horford.

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Aren't you the guy that consistently discounts older rookies just because they're older?

I WAS definitely talking about Clayton. I was talking about Queen-the Naz Reid comp is pretty good. Very good offensive player - just not what I feel we need unless we decline Moe's deal (which I wouldn't recommend...I actually like Sorber IF he falls to the DEN pick...I definitely look to trade the ORL pick in a package for a scoring backcourt player.

Sorber won't fall to Denver's pick, and Clayton won't fall to the second round.

I don't think older players have as much room to grow, but Clayton is a good player now. He'd be the best guard on the Magic this year, with Suggs being out. Black still has a couple of more seasons to improve.

Who do you like with our pick?

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[Skybox]

The only guys that I would take at our likely landing spot - currently #16 are...

Knueppel
Maluach
Richardson

At the DEN spot - currently #23
Sorber
Murray-Boyles (could he be the versatile multi-position dawg defender to replace Isaac?)
Demin, Traore, Saraf (not really sure which ones will make it as NBA playmakers - Demin at 6'9 being compared to Giddey is intriguing)

none of them should fall that far (without some crazy issue revealed). Even if we did get one of those value guys, I'd be looking to attach a future pick and/or all of the srps in the world to one or more of our "expendables" to upgrade with ready to play vets. I'd be happy to see Clayton in the second round...mostly, unless it's a steal, I'm looking to make trades to upgrade PG or Combo Scoring Guard, Center, and, to a lesser extent, shooting at any spot.

Clearly, unless there's some surprising guy falling a bit and is an irresistible choice, I'm not that juiced about the class. As I said, Demin is intriguing and still a bit of an inconsistent mystery man...I definitely don't know enough to take him, but FO might. The Giddey thing, as a really long, high BBIQ playmaker is certainly something to dream about.

*EDIT...I really like Tre Johnson who will be long gone...in the unlikely event that our two frps could move us up a few slots for Johnson/Knueppel/Maluach/maybe Richardson...I'd be down, but that doesn't occur often unless there's an obvious pick falling to a team that's stacked at that spot (could be Maluach with several teams in that range having young, defense-first Centers)

[VFX]

I’m trading these picks.

Possibly taking Clayton with the Denver pick if he looks good in workouts.

Not interested in Forwards because it implies Weltman will make trades, which he doesn’t.

That’s about it.

[basketballRob]

Percentages and per 40 for Lillard look about the same as Clayton.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/damian-lillard-1.html


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[RichCollab]

Percentages and per 40 for Lillard look about the same as Clayton.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/damian-lillard-1.html


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You found one player in 20 years? It’s once in a generation. The reality given your example makes this less than 1/1000 odds.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Jeremiah Fears would be my only *realistic target in a trade up scenario.

Maybe see if Philly is interested in splitting their pick if they drop a few slots.

And before someone mentions his 3PT% just look at his FT%, he should at least be an average 3 PT shooter with NBA spacing and would be a perfect prospect to develop for life after Cole Anthony.

I wouldnt be surprised at all if Houstans club option is declined and Orlando uses both picks to fill out the roster in preparation to a bigger consolidation trade.

[Idiosyncratic]

Jeremiah Fears would be my only *realistic target in a trade up scenario.

Maybe see if Philly is interested in splitting their pick if they drop a few slots.

And before someone mentions his 3PT% just look at his FT%, he should at least be an average 3 PT shooter with NBA spacing and would be a perfect prospect to develop for life after Cole Anthony.

I wouldnt be surprised at all if Houstans club option is declined and Orlando uses both picks to fill out the roster in preparation to a bigger consolidation trade.

I would be fine trading up for Fears all day if he slips to a range where it is possible. Draft is light on potential all-star level offensive players, feels more like a solid starter/high end role player draft to me. He is one that could be a star on offense and the only PG I would have as a lottery talent outside of Harper.