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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Editi 

Post#661 » by Furinkazan » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:19 pm

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in-limbo wrote:I am assuming everyone understands that we were going to get screwed on this deal no matter what...right?


Because of Dwight. How people are blaming the Magic for this I don't know. This is 100% Dwights fault. He destroyed our leverage and ability to posture for better return. The guy is a **** and should be banned from the league.



screw leverage and screw Dwight
we could deal Bynum everywhere

or iggy for that matter

Im mad because we traded 2nd best center in the league( or Iggy)
for 2 bad contracts and 15th pick XD

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Post#663 » by ChosenSavior » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:23 pm

Last Guardian wrote:Yup. When you are dead wrong about everything about Dwight Howard, just blame it on conspiracy. That'll cover your tracks.


So true... :lol:
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Post#664 » by Driguez » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:25 pm

This may help those with coping skills issues :lol:


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Post#665 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:28 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:This truly is amazing how many GMs are leaking info on the passed down deals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

I know it was mentioned before, but Henny acquired Iggy and traded him to Denver basically. He acquired Bynum and traded him to Philly. Seems that we could have found better deals for Iggy IMO.


"Damn we could of had IGGY"

"We could had Bynum"

"Henny is an idiot"
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Post#666 » by Cigamodnalro » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:28 pm

OrlandoMajinBuu wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9dzsn86

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9krquoy

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=94ce3vw


None of these have a chance of happening, but each would be a total coup.
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Post#667 » by MoMM » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:28 pm

Swiftraven wrote:
MoMM wrote:We could trade our TPE to a team who wants to be under the cap next offseason and have a big contract that expires in 2014 + some picks, because our goal is 2014.

For example: Emeka + Wizards Draft Pick for TPE.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington.htm


Doing that will not gain us cap space. The TPE does not count towards the cap, it is just a slot you can use to take on a salary. Until you use it and get a player, it just sits there not counting towards anything.

I didnt say we would gain cap space, we would receive a draft pick in this example by getting Emeka and it wouldnt kill our cap in 2014 because Emeka would be an expiring. We would have the same cap in 2014 if we make the trade or not, the only difference is the draft pick and that we would pay his salary in the next season (13-14).
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Editi 

Post#668 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:29 pm

Darth Magic wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/19789379/rod-thorn-confirms-magic-rejected-offer-that-included-andre-iguodala


OK, so on the surface, this seems obvious, right? The Magic were going to get their pick of any of those players. But there's been a lot of talk about how the Magic selectively lost because they "didn't get" any of the good players. This is a basic failure to understand a rebuilding process. Neither Iguodala nor Bynum helps the Magic, because they wind up in the same situation as before, with a star likely to leave in free agency.


I really wish those bashing the trade would read this and calm the down. the Magic could have gotten Igoudala and didn't want him. the Magic coud have gotten Bynum, and didn't want him! Please, please stop saying that we got fleeced, bamboozled and otherwise. The Magic knew exactly what they wanted and got that.

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a basic failure to understand the rebuilding process
is a great statement and a great way to describe peoples reaction to this trade.
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Post#669 » by MoMM » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:30 pm

OrlandoMajinBuu wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9dzsn86

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=9krquoy

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=94ce3vw

The 1st two the other teams would accept, and the 3rd one isnt good for us, IMO.
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Post#670 » by Def Swami » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:31 pm

Zach McCann ‏@ZachMcCann
Saying it's too early to judge the Howard trade is like saying it's OK for kids to drop out of school because they might invent Microsoft

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Post#671 » by Nyce_1 » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:31 pm

LOL Jerry O'Neil is having a breakdown on the radio about trading Dwight to the Lakers.
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Post#672 » by rcklsscognition » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:33 pm

MagicFan41 wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:
Last Guardian wrote:Lol in what world are we strapped financially when most people are saying we have 30 million in cap space coming in 2014. Someone needs to make a thread with some facts. Too much different info going around.


Here you go. http://ht.ly/cUkB6

2012- $62,299,525
2013- $43,167,473
2014- $29,221,840
2015- $13,024,652
2016- $0


Those numbers are somewhat misleading though because I'm pretty sure it counts all of the TEAM options towards the salaries...which is stupid. If they wanted to clear capspace they have the option to decline it. For example in 2014 it should be more like $21mil


I believe these include all guaranteed money.
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Post#673 » by rcklsscognition » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:37 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:This truly is amazing how many GMs are leaking info on the passed down deals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

I know it was mentioned before, but Henny acquired Iggy and traded him to Denver basically. He acquired Bynum and traded him to Philly. Seems that we could have found better deals for Iggy IMO.


"Damn we could of had IGGY"

"We could had Bynum"

"Henny is an idiot"


Are you saying I said that? Because I didn't.
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Post#674 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:39 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:This truly is amazing how many GMs are leaking info on the passed down deals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

I know it was mentioned before, but Henny acquired Iggy and traded him to Denver basically. He acquired Bynum and traded him to Philly. Seems that we could have found better deals for Iggy IMO.


"Damn we could of had IGGY"

"We could had Bynum"

"Henny is an idiot"


Wait, Bynum is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Wait, Iggy is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Instead, Magic got Aflalo at $7.5mil over 4 years and Harrington at $7 mil per over 3 years.

Oh yeh, a player drafted 15th in the draft.

Absolutely Epic Fail!
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Post#675 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:42 pm

VGOSWAMI wrote:
Zach McCann ‏@ZachMcCann
Saying it's too early to judge the Howard trade is like saying it's OK for kids to drop out of school because they might invent Microsoft

:lol:


Or better yet, kids invent Dos and their parents give it to Microsoft for a Ham Sammich and a bag of Chips. :LOL
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Post#676 » by the-diesel » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:45 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
the-diesel wrote:I've yet to share my opinion on the trade due to traveling and not being around a computer, but I am completely enraged about this. The object in the NBA is to remain sound, hence, keep the seats filled, and in no way will this trade do that. I'll remain a magic fan, but i have no reason to pull for a team that trades it's best player, while getting garage in return, whilst shedding no terrible contracts. Either get talent back, or dump your bad contracts. I feel the FO was tired of getting strong armed, and went ahead and bent over to take it. Who knows, but I don't expect a title in the next decade now.

Otis wouldn't have let it get to this point fellas. He may have dug this hole, scrambling for an impatient Dwight, but he'd have dealt Dwight for more than pocket change, and produced a competitive team.

Does Rob realize what he's done?

The object in the NBA is to win a championship while sustaining longevity as a contending team. Being stuck as a mediocre 7-9th seed playoff team is the worse place we could've ended up. We'll suck hard for 2-3 years but we'll progress faster towards our goal than being mediocre and trying to build with those risky assets. Starting over to build our team, our cultural foundation, is the right & best way to go.


From a business standpoint, the object is to stay competitive with a sound team. A sound team is a good team, good teams keep the seats sold, and any given year a good TEAM can win a championship. Starting from scratch may have been best for Orlando, but at least make the damn trade that best allows a rebuild, by say, SHEDDING TERRIBLE CONTRACTS. And understand the cultural foundation (whatever that is in Orlando) has been permanently damaged. Dwight was the foundation, at least deal him for a couple of all stars, to ease the pain.
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Post#677 » by MagicFan41 » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:46 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:
Here you go. http://ht.ly/cUkB6

2012- $62,299,525
2013- $43,167,473
2014- $29,221,840
2015- $13,024,652
2016- $0


Those numbers are somewhat misleading though because I'm pretty sure it counts all of the TEAM options towards the salaries...which is stupid. If they wanted to clear capspace they have the option to decline it. For example in 2014 it should be more like $21mil


I believe these include all guaranteed money.


Well you believe incorrectly. Look at it again. Look at even the final year where the only guaranteed (and it's not technically guaranteed cuz he could opt out) is Afflalo's player option...but it still claims we are on the hook for $13mil
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Post#678 » by ChildishGambino » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:48 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:This truly is amazing how many GMs are leaking info on the passed down deals.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-o ... e-iguodala

I know it was mentioned before, but Henny acquired Iggy and traded him to Denver basically. He acquired Bynum and traded him to Philly. Seems that we could have found better deals for Iggy IMO.


"Damn we could of had IGGY"

"We could had Bynum"

"Henny is an idiot"


Wait, Bynum is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Wait, Iggy is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Instead, Magic got Aflalo at $7.5mil over 4 years and Harrington at $7 mil per over 3 years.

Oh yeh, a player drafted 15th in the draft.

Absolutely Epic Fail!

who cares about any of those players if ownership decided they wanted to go into a rebuilding process? those two players doesn't help that at all......Contrary to believe Affalo and Harrington can be moved.....i swear man people are acting like there was any situation where we could of been 100% happy.....not everyone is going to be happy no matter we did or what other deals we took.....
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Post#679 » by Ahmadab » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:51 pm

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Post#680 » by rcklsscognition » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:52 pm

MagicFan41 wrote:
Well you believe incorrectly. Look at it again. Look at even the final year where the only guaranteed (and it's not technically guaranteed cuz he could opt out) is Afflalo's player option...but it still claims we are on the hook for $13mil


We are on the hook for 13 million. That is how team salaries are calculated. You put the numbers of all players down that are guaranteed money if they are on the team. Why would you list a team salary of just the salary of no players? That doesn't make sense. These are our obligations, if the players are on the team, which is the basic assumption. You don't assume they aren't on the team.

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