Official 2023-2024 Magic General Season Thread

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Ok.. seriously…

Where the **** is Jett Howard and why isn’t he playing?

Okeke, Queen, and broken Fultz are getting playing time over our lottery pick. Why?

The only reasons behind this is that he’s either a terrible basketball player OR someone is an extremely poor judge of talent. There can be no other excuse as to why he’s not seeing any kind of minutes right now.

Yeah...it's concerning. I don't recall anyone in the know actually saying that he was in the G League to "catch up on defense" but many here (me included) have run with that narrative. I hope he's not just a highly skilled bonehead that just doesn't have the BBIQ to play at this level...again, I'm making it up, but given the team circumstances - there must be some reason and we know he can score.

I'm really hoping to make a trade for a significant personnel upgrade...but, even if the FO chooses to sit on their thumbs...maybe they should move guys like Gary and Fultz off the roster for srps, if possible, just to make a spot for Jett to watch the games or get some junk time (at least). If those guys aren't in the future plans, and they're not even contributing today...get them out of the way. Maybe sending Fultz to dominate (?) in the G League wouldn't be the worst idea...blame "working into playing shape", but get him healthy and putting up some inflated numbers that he can't do, given his fit with Paolo & Franz, in the big leagues...and ship him out as soon as he catches someone's eye....too many empty chairs on the roster right now. WCJ is making himself untradeable and reinforcing his CHI narrative about being an injury risk. He's been really great since he got to ORL, but he's starting to look like Isaac with the DNPs.

I'm not kidding myself about Fultz' value to other teams, but he's not doing himself (or ORL) any favors in the current situation...I'd rather have Queen, Kevon, and/or Jett getting his minutes and taking 3's.

I just don’t buy the argument that minutes don’t exist and that he isnt serviceable to a roster that lacks shooting and length at forward. He’s dominating the G league so what’s the problem?

The only thing I can think of is that either his defense doesn’t exist or he is fools gold offensively. The current situation with the roster would give him minutes from any other organization. They drafted a bust if he’s unable to get minutes right now with guys like Queen and Chuma getting significant time.

[eyriq]

Ok.. seriously…

Where the **** is Jett Howard and why isn’t he playing?

Okeke, Queen, and broken Fultz are getting playing time over our lottery pick. Why?

The only reasons behind this is that he’s either a terrible basketball player OR someone is an extremely poor judge of talent. There can be no other excuse as to why he’s not seeing any kind of minutes right now.

That's my read. Something is off

[Skybox]

Ok.. seriously…

Where the **** is Jett Howard and why isn’t he playing?

Okeke, Queen, and broken Fultz are getting playing time over our lottery pick. Why?

The only reasons behind this is that he’s either a terrible basketball player OR someone is an extremely poor judge of talent. There can be no other excuse as to why he’s not seeing any kind of minutes right now.

That's my read. Something is off

I have just another completely baseless theory, but it kind of works with ORL FO & Mose...

Maybe they just decided what they were going to do as far as timeline of the G-League assignment and they simply are rigid in their sticking to it, regardless of outside circumstances...I honestly havent watched enough complete games to confirm, but I thought there were some complaints/observations that Mose was not fluid with his substitutions...it was more like "this guy plays the first 8 minutes, then he returns with this other lineup at the start of the quarter, etc". Weltman also rubs me a bit as a guy who is "arrogantly" patient (if that's a thing) and would pat you on your emotional little head and assure you that "you're not seeing the big vision and not to worry so much". I'm not even knocking him, his moves have been sound...when he makes them. But maybe this scenario fits a bit.

My nightmare...I would tell Weltman about all of the moves he SHOULD have made (Herro, Brogdon, Simons, Hawkins, Lively, Podz...) or should have made sooner, on behalf of all the Trade Thread junkies. and he would "awww that's cute that you think that it's that easy"

He might point out that I wanted Poole and would have picked Moody over Franz

[eyriq]

Ok.. seriously…

Where the **** is Jett Howard and why isn’t he playing?

Okeke, Queen, and broken Fultz are getting playing time over our lottery pick. Why?

The only reasons behind this is that he’s either a terrible basketball player OR someone is an extremely poor judge of talent. There can be no other excuse as to why he’s not seeing any kind of minutes right now.

That's my read. Something is off

I have just another completely baseless theory, but it kind of works with ORL FO & Mose...

Maybe they just decided what they were going to do as far as timeline of the G-League assignment and they simply are rigid in their sticking to it, regardless of outside circumstances...I honestly havent watched enough complete games to confirm, but I thought there were some complaints/observations that Mose was not fluid with his substitutions...it was more like "this guy plays the first 8 minutes, then he returns with this other lineup at the start of the quarter, etc". Weltman also rubs me a bit as a guy who is "arrogantly" patient (if that's a thing) and would pat you on your emotional little head and assure you that "you're not seeing the big vision and not to worry so much". I'm not even knocking him, his moves have been sound...when he makes them. But maybe this scenario fits a bit.

My nightmare...I would tell Weltman about all of the moves he SHOULD have made (Herro, Brogdon, Simons, Hawkins, Lively, Podz...) or should have made sooner, on behalf of all the Trade Thread junkies. and he would "awww that's cute that you think that it's that easy"

He might point out that I wanted Poole and would have picked Moody over Franz

This was a fun post! Probably some truth to it.

Personally, I've just picked Jett as my player to be negative on for some reason... Pouring all my optimism into Black and pessimism into Jett.

[KillMonger]

i tend to not wanting to overthink the jett situation....it's partly a depth issue and i think they just got tired of the back and forth and wanted something consistent for jett....i don't think it's any issue on the court because in the minutes we've actually seen him play there wasn't anything egregious in his minutes that i can see....patience is the key in this situation

[OrlChamps2030]

Ok.. seriously…

Where the **** is Jett Howard and why isn’t he playing?

Okeke, Queen, and broken Fultz are getting playing time over our lottery pick. Why?

The only reasons behind this is that he’s either a terrible basketball player OR someone is an extremely poor judge of talent. There can be no other excuse as to why he’s not seeing any kind of minutes right now.

It could be anything. Poor defense, hot and cold motor, maybe even maturity issues. It’s definitely a possibility he’s in the doghouse though.

I saw someone in the GT mention that there were rumors that Jett may have been lazy in practice at Michigan?

The only thing I could find that is semi-relevant find to that claim is:

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2023/03/the-good-and-bad-from-jett-howards-lone-season-at-michigan.html?outputType=amp

A person who regularly attended practice said Juwan struggled to coach his youngest son. It hasn’t been an issue with Juwan’s other son on the squad, Jace, a junior who averaged eight minutes per game off the bench last season.

[Optimus_Steel]

Ok.. seriously…

Where the **** is Jett Howard and why isn’t he playing?

Okeke, Queen, and broken Fultz are getting playing time over our lottery pick. Why?

The only reasons behind this is that he’s either a terrible basketball player OR someone is an extremely poor judge of talent. There can be no other excuse as to why he’s not seeing any kind of minutes right now.

It could be anything. Poor defense, hot and cold motor, maybe even maturity issues. It’s definitely a possibility he’s in the doghouse though.

I saw someone in the GT mention that there were rumors that Jett may have been lazy in practice at Michigan?

The only thing I could find that is semi-relevant find to that claim is:

https://www.mlive.com/wolverines/2023/03/the-good-and-bad-from-jett-howards-lone-season-at-michigan.html?outputType=amp

A person who regularly attended practice said Juwan struggled to coach his youngest son. It hasn’t been an issue with Juwan’s other son on the squad, Jace, a junior who averaged eight minutes per game off the bench last season.

The kid could be a spoiled brat and the Magic are trying to teach him a lesson/reality check, and or instill good habits on him.

[basketballRob]

We'll probably find out who'll be available for tomorrow's game soon.

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[Bensational]

Weltman also rubs me a bit as a guy who is "arrogantly" patient (if that's a thing) and would pat you on your emotional little head and assure you that "you're not seeing the big vision and not to worry so much". I'm not even knocking him, his moves have been sound...when he makes them. But maybe this scenario fits a bit.

My nightmare...I would tell Weltman about all of the moves he SHOULD have made (Herro, Brogdon, Simons, Hawkins, Lively, Podz...) or should have made sooner, on behalf of all the Trade Thread junkies. and he would "awww that's cute that you think that it's that easy"

He might point out that I wanted Poole and would have picked Moody over Franz

I love this. “Arrogantly patient” makes me chuckle, because that’s what I admire most about him.

This reminds me of when I figured out Weisbrod’s email address at the Magic 20 years ago and emailed him to tell him he should trade Gooden with some disgusting message board trade proposal I’d come up with. Lol. So cringe. Worst/Best of all - he replied to tell me the idea was terrible.

[mccluskey]

Ok.. seriously…

Where the **** is Jett Howard and why isn’t he playing?

Okeke, Queen, and broken Fultz are getting playing time over our lottery pick. Why?

The only reasons behind this is that he’s either a terrible basketball player OR someone is an extremely poor judge of talent. There can be no other excuse as to why he’s not seeing any kind of minutes right now.

Yeah...it's concerning. I don't recall anyone in the know actually saying that he was in the G League to "catch up on defense" but many here (me included) have run with that narrative. I hope he's not just a highly skilled bonehead that just doesn't have the BBIQ to play at this level...again, I'm making it up, but given the team circumstances - there must be some reason and we know he can score.

I'm really hoping to make a trade for a significant personnel upgrade...but, even if the FO chooses to sit on their thumbs...maybe they should move guys like Gary and Fultz off the roster for srps, if possible, just to make a spot for Jett to watch the games or get some junk time (at least). If those guys aren't in the future plans, and they're not even contributing today...get them out of the way. Maybe sending Fultz to dominate (?) in the G League wouldn't be the worst idea...blame "working into playing shape", but get him healthy and putting up some inflated numbers that he can't do, given his fit with Paolo & Franz, in the big leagues...and ship him out as soon as he catches someone's eye....too many empty chairs on the roster right now. WCJ is making himself untradeable and reinforcing his CHI narrative about being an injury risk. He's been really great since he got to ORL, but he's starting to look like Isaac with the DNPs.

I'm not kidding myself about Fultz' value to other teams, but he's not doing himself (or ORL) any favors in the current situation...I'd rather have Queen, Kevon, and/or Jett getting his minutes and taking 3's.

I just don’t buy the argument that minutes don’t exist and that he isnt serviceable to a roster that lacks shooting and length at forward. He’s dominating the G league so what’s the problem?

The only thing I can think of is that either his defense doesn’t exist or he is fools gold offensively. The current situation with the roster would give him minutes from any other organization. They drafted a bust if he’s unable to get minutes right now with guys like Queen and Chuma getting significant time.

Howard's not dominating the G League - he's shown flashes of potential here and there but doesn't create a positive impact on a consistent basis the way guys like Queen, Harris and McClung do for Osceola. He's a great shooter with his feet set but that's the only thing he can do at a high level right now, and his defense and effort level haven't been very good.

[KillMonger]

Yeah...it's concerning. I don't recall anyone in the know actually saying that he was in the G League to "catch up on defense" but many here (me included) have run with that narrative. I hope he's not just a highly skilled bonehead that just doesn't have the BBIQ to play at this level...again, I'm making it up, but given the team circumstances - there must be some reason and we know he can score.

I'm really hoping to make a trade for a significant personnel upgrade...but, even if the FO chooses to sit on their thumbs...maybe they should move guys like Gary and Fultz off the roster for srps, if possible, just to make a spot for Jett to watch the games or get some junk time (at least). If those guys aren't in the future plans, and they're not even contributing today...get them out of the way. Maybe sending Fultz to dominate (?) in the G League wouldn't be the worst idea...blame "working into playing shape", but get him healthy and putting up some inflated numbers that he can't do, given his fit with Paolo & Franz, in the big leagues...and ship him out as soon as he catches someone's eye....too many empty chairs on the roster right now. WCJ is making himself untradeable and reinforcing his CHI narrative about being an injury risk. He's been really great since he got to ORL, but he's starting to look like Isaac with the DNPs.

I'm not kidding myself about Fultz' value to other teams, but he's not doing himself (or ORL) any favors in the current situation...I'd rather have Queen, Kevon, and/or Jett getting his minutes and taking 3's.

I just don’t buy the argument that minutes don’t exist and that he isnt serviceable to a roster that lacks shooting and length at forward. He’s dominating the G league so what’s the problem?

The only thing I can think of is that either his defense doesn’t exist or he is fools gold offensively. The current situation with the roster would give him minutes from any other organization. They drafted a bust if he’s unable to get minutes right now with guys like Queen and Chuma getting significant time.

Howard's not dominating the G League - he's shown flashes of potential here and there but doesn't create a positive impact on a consistent basis the way guys like Queen, Harris and McClung do for Osceola. He's a great shooter with his feet set but that's the only thing he can do at a high level right now, and his defense and effort level haven't been very good.

all of which is fine for a rookie

[KillMonger]

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[The-Stallion70]

Yeah...it's concerning. I don't recall anyone in the know actually saying that he was in the G League to "catch up on defense" but many here (me included) have run with that narrative. I hope he's not just a highly skilled bonehead that just doesn't have the BBIQ to play at this level...again, I'm making it up, but given the team circumstances - there must be some reason and we know he can score.

I'm really hoping to make a trade for a significant personnel upgrade...but, even if the FO chooses to sit on their thumbs...maybe they should move guys like Gary and Fultz off the roster for srps, if possible, just to make a spot for Jett to watch the games or get some junk time (at least). If those guys aren't in the future plans, and they're not even contributing today...get them out of the way. Maybe sending Fultz to dominate (?) in the G League wouldn't be the worst idea...blame "working into playing shape", but get him healthy and putting up some inflated numbers that he can't do, given his fit with Paolo & Franz, in the big leagues...and ship him out as soon as he catches someone's eye....too many empty chairs on the roster right now. WCJ is making himself untradeable and reinforcing his CHI narrative about being an injury risk. He's been really great since he got to ORL, but he's starting to look like Isaac with the DNPs.

I'm not kidding myself about Fultz' value to other teams, but he's not doing himself (or ORL) any favors in the current situation...I'd rather have Queen, Kevon, and/or Jett getting his minutes and taking 3's.

I just don’t buy the argument that minutes don’t exist and that he isnt serviceable to a roster that lacks shooting and length at forward. He’s dominating the G league so what’s the problem?

The only thing I can think of is that either his defense doesn’t exist or he is fools gold offensively. The current situation with the roster would give him minutes from any other organization. They drafted a bust if he’s unable to get minutes right now with guys like Queen and Chuma getting significant time.

Howard's not dominating the G League - he's shown flashes of potential here and there but doesn't create a positive impact on a consistent basis the way guys like Queen, Harris and McClung do for Osceola. He's a great shooter with his feet set but that's the only thing he can do at a high level right now, and his defense and effort level haven't been very good.

So you actually been watching the Lakeland games?

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Yeah...it's concerning. I don't recall anyone in the know actually saying that he was in the G League to "catch up on defense" but many here (me included) have run with that narrative. I hope he's not just a highly skilled bonehead that just doesn't have the BBIQ to play at this level...again, I'm making it up, but given the team circumstances - there must be some reason and we know he can score.

I'm really hoping to make a trade for a significant personnel upgrade...but, even if the FO chooses to sit on their thumbs...maybe they should move guys like Gary and Fultz off the roster for srps, if possible, just to make a spot for Jett to watch the games or get some junk time (at least). If those guys aren't in the future plans, and they're not even contributing today...get them out of the way. Maybe sending Fultz to dominate (?) in the G League wouldn't be the worst idea...blame "working into playing shape", but get him healthy and putting up some inflated numbers that he can't do, given his fit with Paolo & Franz, in the big leagues...and ship him out as soon as he catches someone's eye....too many empty chairs on the roster right now. WCJ is making himself untradeable and reinforcing his CHI narrative about being an injury risk. He's been really great since he got to ORL, but he's starting to look like Isaac with the DNPs.

I'm not kidding myself about Fultz' value to other teams, but he's not doing himself (or ORL) any favors in the current situation...I'd rather have Queen, Kevon, and/or Jett getting his minutes and taking 3's.

I just don’t buy the argument that minutes don’t exist and that he isnt serviceable to a roster that lacks shooting and length at forward. He’s dominating the G league so what’s the problem?

The only thing I can think of is that either his defense doesn’t exist or he is fools gold offensively. The current situation with the roster would give him minutes from any other organization. They drafted a bust if he’s unable to get minutes right now with guys like Queen and Chuma getting significant time.

Howard's not dominating the G League - he's shown flashes of potential here and there but doesn't create a positive impact on a consistent basis the way guys like Queen, Harris and McClung do for Osceola. He's a great shooter with his feet set but that's the only thing he can do at a high level right now, and his defense and effort level haven't been very good.

The point I’m making is that he’s a lottery pick doing well in the gleague playing a position of need compared to a guy like Queen.

One is a big investment and the other isn’t.

Not really too interested in how Osceola games are won. Makes no sense to bring over bench guys with an absolute ceiling of potential compared to a guy that can earn minutes with a defined skillset. McClung could be scoring 40 a night in the gleague and he’s not seeing minutes on this roster as constructed. Jett will and should.

[basketballRob]

It sounds like everyone might be out again. Joe was able to do a contact workout so he may be back.

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[Skybox]

Weltman also rubs me a bit as a guy who is "arrogantly" patient (if that's a thing) and would pat you on your emotional little head and assure you that "you're not seeing the big vision and not to worry so much". I'm not even knocking him, his moves have been sound...when he makes them. But maybe this scenario fits a bit.

My nightmare...I would tell Weltman about all of the moves he SHOULD have made (Herro, Brogdon, Simons, Hawkins, Lively, Podz...) or should have made sooner, on behalf of all the Trade Thread junkies. and he would "awww that's cute that you think that it's that easy"

He might point out that I wanted Poole and would have picked Moody over Franz

I love this. “Arrogantly patient” makes me chuckle, because that’s what I admire most about him.

This reminds me of when I figured out Weisbrod’s email address at the Magic 20 years ago and emailed him to tell him he should trade Gooden with some disgusting message board trade proposal I’d come up with. Lol. So cringe. Worst/Best of all - he replied to tell me the idea was terrible.

Love this...Weisbrod was some classic tale. Tough hockey guy dealing with basketball pansies

Best Quote when asked about T-Mac (I don't recall context), but..."I'm pretty sure we could have still finished in last place without him" (or some such)...gotta love that

[eyriq]

Weltman also rubs me a bit as a guy who is "arrogantly" patient (if that's a thing) and would pat you on your emotional little head and assure you that "you're not seeing the big vision and not to worry so much". I'm not even knocking him, his moves have been sound...when he makes them. But maybe this scenario fits a bit.

My nightmare...I would tell Weltman about all of the moves he SHOULD have made (Herro, Brogdon, Simons, Hawkins, Lively, Podz...) or should have made sooner, on behalf of all the Trade Thread junkies. and he would "awww that's cute that you think that it's that easy"

He might point out that I wanted Poole and would have picked Moody over Franz

I love this. “Arrogantly patient” makes me chuckle, because that’s what I admire most about him.

This reminds me of when I figured out Weisbrod’s email address at the Magic 20 years ago and emailed him to tell him he should trade Gooden with some disgusting message board trade proposal I’d come up with. Lol. So cringe. Worst/Best of all - he replied to tell me the idea was terrible.

Love this...Weisbrod was some classic tale. Tough hockey guy dealing with basketball pansies

Best Quote when asked about T-Mac (I don't recall context), but..."I'm pretty sure we could have still finished in last place without him" (or some such)...gotta love that

Man, we have been one of the worst run organizations for so long.

[Skybox]

I love this. “Arrogantly patient” makes me chuckle, because that’s what I admire most about him.

This reminds me of when I figured out Weisbrod’s email address at the Magic 20 years ago and emailed him to tell him he should trade Gooden with some disgusting message board trade proposal I’d come up with. Lol. So cringe. Worst/Best of all - he replied to tell me the idea was terrible.

Love this...Weisbrod was some classic tale. Tough hockey guy dealing with basketball pansies

Best Quote when asked about T-Mac (I don't recall context), but..."I'm pretty sure we could have still finished in last place without him" (or some such)...gotta love that

Man, we have been one of the worst run organizations for so long.

Weisbrod has to be the peak though...NO idea what he was doing. My recollection was not that he was cocky or delusional - he probably told DeVos, "this is a bad idea- but I'll take your money and try"...I liked the guy, but terrible chapter.

[JBSouthpaw]

glad Ingles will be back.

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[basketballRob]

Looks like Cole is back.

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