2023-2024 Regular Season Game 41: Orlando Magic (22-18) at Atlanta Hawks (16-23) - 7:30pm

[drsd]

I fell asleep tonight, didn't watch the game. Did Markelle bring his A game tonight too?

EDIT: Looking at boxscore, he sure did! 10 points on 62% FG, I hope we all are voting him for All Star.

Carter and Fultz really upped their trade values!

[drsd]

Box score thoughts:

Orlando lost the FG% battle and lost the game.

Atlanta's largest lead was 4 points; there were 19 lead changes and 20 ties.

Orlando FINALLY had a >70% FT game (but was smoked on FT percentage)

Magic had more offensive rebounds and Atlanta more made 3s.

And the one stat Coach can live with: Orlando forced 10 more TOs than surrendered (23-13)
The Magic also has a +^ block line and a +8 steals line.

So: if Orlando goes 11-35 with the three ball (to elevate to a 31.4% shooting line), the Magic win this game.

Has there ever been a Magic game that screamed we-need-shooting more than this game????? yuck


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[drsd]

It's crazy to see how much JI impacts the game....it's clear as day, now if the guy can only stay healthy

I want me some F-Wagner please.

[CarraT]

Again. We need a PG and in general guard offense SO BAD. Cole Anthony and Fultz combining for 2 assists in 52 minutes. With 5 TO. Okeke and Houstan shooting 1-11 3p combined.

[zaymon]

Sam Veceni said he thinks Murray value is young player and one frp. I dont know about 3 frp, i wouldnt pay that price. Hawks are on the hot seat they are the ones who need to make the move before team implodes. I am not giving them Jett. Murray would be better than anything we have right now but he is not the missing piece.

I have no idea what we are doing with Fultz. If we are not trying to showcase him than what ? Whole situation is a mess and i dont like how our front office aproaches it. We act like Markelle is made of glass, not a word of truth, everybody acts like they dont see the problem. We are just speeding up his exit from the nba. Operation went fine but the patient died type of behaviour. Fultz is also not a good defender. He is average only becouse of his physical tools and he is not a good playmaker never was. Watching Cole just skew our viewpoint.

Suggs needs more discipline. He wont be all nba defender if he just gets outsmarted on most crucial possesions. He have time, but right now he is too easy to fool.

WCJ is very talented, but it looks like we will try to move on from him. We have too many soft players.

[p0peye]

I fell asleep tonight, didn't watch the game. Did Markelle bring his A game tonight too?

EDIT: Looking at boxscore, he sure did! 10 points on 62% FG, I hope we all are voting him for All Star.

Carter and Fultz really upped their trade values!

Nice!

[Husky1]

Again. We need a PG and in general guard offense SO BAD. Cole Anthony and Fultz combining for 2 assists in 52 minutes. With 5 TO. Okeke and Houstan shooting 1-11 3p combined.

What the hell do we do with Cole? He really hasn’t changed much in 4 years. It’s hard to watch most nights

[Bergmaniac]

Another game lost due to poor execution down the stretch and bad 3 point shooting. And playing Fultz too much. What exactly does he give us over Black when he refuses to take jumpshots? A shame we couldn't capitalise on a great night from WCJr. and Goga's dominance on the offensive glass.

Orlando pts scored in each game since Fultz came back:

117 Pts (Overtime game, only 105 pts in regulation)
92 pts
96 pts
100 pts
98 pts
104 pts

For all the talk about hey maybe Fultz could help our offense, it has instead tanked even harder since he's came back

You know having guys like Houstan/Okeke/Bitadze and no Franz might have something to do with that lmao. With or with Fultz regardless if Franz or Fultz have been playing. This team has been struggling to score the last month and a half.

They need to just get better on offense.

We have been bad offensively without Fultz since he came back (104.7 ORTG), but even worse when he has played (98 ORTG). And keep in mind that he missed our toughest game, the back to back away to OKC. His offensive rating in each of the games he played is 87.5, 100, 90.9, 117.8 and 92.9 respectively. Anything below 100 is just atrocious in the modern NBA where the worst offensive team in the league is putting up 107 ORTG.

And it's not like he has been forced to play mostly with our subpar offensive players. In the 98 total minutes he has played this month the teammates with most minutes played with him are Paolo (62 minutes), Cole (60 minutes), Ingles (51 minutes), WCJr. (41 minutes) and Mo Wagner (33 minutes). And it's also telling that the minutes he's played without Ingles have been beyond horrible offensively (90 ORTG) while his minutes with Ingles, a much superior playmaker, has been much better while still nothing to write home about (107.3 ORTG). Yes, small sample size, I know, but it's not exactly a surprise that having a PG who doesn't take jumpshots is not good for your offense.

When your late game offense is your non-shooting PG setting screens for your PF and then desperately crashing the boards the results are usually not good either.

BTW, Fultz is struggling even on contested layups right now, which is a major strenght of his usually. He has been blocked a lot and is only shooting 40% on layups and 47% in the restricted area since he came back, both well below his averages.

[tiderulz]

Again. We need a PG and in general guard offense SO BAD. Cole Anthony and Fultz combining for 2 assists in 52 minutes. With 5 TO. Okeke and Houstan shooting 1-11 3p combined.

yep. no guard with more than 1 assist. high assist man was Ingles at 3. Suggs has proven to me this year he can play SG but we need a legit PG, one that can score but also get his team some easy points.

[tiderulz]

Sam Veceni said he thinks Murray value is young player and one frp. I dont know about 3 frp, i wouldnt pay that price. Hawks are on the hot seat they are the ones who need to make the move before team implodes. I am not giving them Jett. Murray would be better than anything we have right now but he is not the missing piece.

I have no idea what we are doing with Fultz. If we are not trying to showcase him than what ? Whole situation is a mess and i dont like how our front office aproaches it. We act like Markelle is made of glass, not a word of truth, everybody acts like they dont see the problem. We are just speeding up his exit from the nba. Operation went fine but the patient died type of behaviour. Fultz is also not a good defender. He is average only becouse of his physical tools and he is not a good playmaker never was. Watching Cole just skew our viewpoint.

Suggs needs more discipline. He wont be all nba defender if he just gets outsmarted on most crucial possesions. He have time, but right now he is too easy to fool.

WCJ is very talented, but it looks like we will try to move on from him. We have too many soft players.

Jett cant even get on the regular team and you dont want to give him up?

[eyriq]

Bad Cole game and we lose. The Cole splits in wins and losses are just fascinating.

Players in the dog house after this loss:
Caleb
Okeke
Fultz
Cole
Ingles

Caleb and Okeke shouldn't be starting, just a crazy decision.

Fultz is damaged goods and not part of the long-term vision. Playing him over AB is frustrating.

Cole and Ingles are fine.

[magik9113]

Usually I wake up after a loss and can look on the bright side of things.

But it's been tough lately.

To make things worse, I had a dream that Trae Young gave me a dime and I missed an open layup and he yelled at me.

I may need to take a couple personal days from the Magic.

[Audi]

I’m less concerned about the low assists from the guards because I put that on the bad shooting. Can’t assist on missed shots. How many Houstan bricked 3s could’ve been assists again? Low assist games like these is just the telling of the same old story - we desperately lack offensive power. It was bad even with Franz, of course it’s worse without him.

[pepe1991]

Bad Cole game and we lose. The Cole splits in wins and losses are just fascinating.

Players in the dog house after this loss:
Caleb
Okeke
Fultz
Cole
Ingles

Caleb and Okeke shouldn't be starting, just a crazy decision.

Fultz is damaged goods and not part of the long-term vision. Playing him over AB is frustrating.

Cole and Ingles are fine.

If Cole had any consistancy, he would be costing x3 of what he got. That's just reality .

As for Houstan & Okeke, it feels like they are starting just to have as much fire power off bench to create some sort separation.
We literally have better second 5 than starting 5 , and i assume it's done on purpose. I don't really agree with that, but it is what it is, it's Mosley's call.

For Houstan in particular, he pretty much is carbon copy of Terrence Ross. There is no catch& shoot look that he doesn't like.

[Skybox]

Bad Cole game and we lose. The Cole splits in wins and losses are just fascinating.

Players in the dog house after this loss:
Caleb
Okeke
Fultz
Cole
Ingles

Caleb and Okeke shouldn't be starting, just a crazy decision.

Fultz is damaged goods and not part of the long-term vision. Playing him over AB is frustrating.

Cole and Ingles are fine.

If Cole had any consistancy, he would be costing x3 of what he got. That's just reality .

As for Houstan & Okeke, it feels like they are starting just to have as much fire power off bench to create some sort separation.
We literally have better second 5 than starting 5 , and i assume it's done on purpose. I don't really agree with that, but it is what it is, it's Mosley's call.

For Houstan in particular, he pretty much is carbon copy of Terrence Ross. There is no catch& shoot look that he doesn't like.

I was wondering about that too...during the winning streak. I just wonder if his defensive mindset leads to "start Suggs and Black and just try to demoralize the opposing guards and f**k up their offensive plans right off the bat" and then try to catch them in the end with Paolo heroics...and, btw, Paolo is cold-blooded in big moments, game after game.

[KillMonger]

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This last play was an abomination, just helter skelter....first of all what was markelle thinking going that fast? i felt him doing that instantly broke the action....paolo saved it with another clutch shot but we need more practice with execution....can't keep thinking that paolo is going to save us last minute

[zaymon]

Jett cant even get on the regular team and you dont want to give him up?

I can give him up but not for Murray. We dont draft good shooters often, and we drafted Jett quite high. I dont think him being in the g league means he is a bust. Jett is propably worth more than our 24 frp and some podcasters say Murray is worth 2 frp at most.

[eyriq]

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This last play was an abomination, just helter skelter....first of all what was markelle thinking going that fast? i felt him doing that instantly broke the action....paolo saved it with another clutch shot but we need more practice with execution....can't keep thinking that paolo is going to save us last minute

Our offense in general is fugly. Our inability to hit open threes is crippling.

[Knightro]

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This last play was an abomination, just helter skelter....first of all what was markelle thinking going that fast? i felt him doing that instantly broke the action....paolo saved it with another clutch shot but we need more practice with execution....can't keep thinking that paolo is going to save us last minute

My sense is that Markelle wanted to race the ball down the floor and beat Trae to the rim for a quick 2 and then start playing the foul game.

[The-Stallion70]

Was a heck of a shot by Paolo at the end, not lucky.

If we're calling that lucky, was a lucky shot by Dejounte at the end too.