Official Summer 2024 Magic Free Agency and Trade Ideas Thread 3.0

[bigdogdylan5]

How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?

None. It's a hard veto on any guard acquisition.

Edit: the only guard rotation I want next season is AB/Suggs/Cole/Jett

I would love for AB to be ready to be the PG but for a team with the aspirations next year I feel like he won’t be ready to be that PG playmaker. You almost need that veteran guy to come in for a year or two. Older guy ideally who can split minutes and you can rely on him when Black just doesn’t have it yet. Idk best case scenario is Suggs improves a bit running offense and he can be that PG for a year or two till Black is ready to take it. With more incremental improvement can we get rid of the Fultz crutch? Can we do a ball handler by committee with Paolo Franz Suggs and Black. But we need incremental playmaking improvement from all 4 to make that work. Then all you need is to grab a shooter. Tough decision I am scared they will be tempted to keep Fultz for another year I really hope they cut that cord

[Skybox]

How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?

None. It's a hard veto on any guard acquisition.

Edit: the only guard rotation I want next season is AB/Suggs/Cole/Jett

I would love for AB to be ready to be the PG but for a team with the aspirations next year I feel like he won’t be ready to be that PG playmaker. You almost need that veteran guy to come in for a year or two. Older guy ideally who can split minutes and you can rely on him when Black just doesn’t have it yet. Idk best case scenario is Suggs improves a bit running offense and he can be that PG for a year or two till Black is ready to take it. With more incremental improvement can we get rid of the Fultz crutch? Can we do a ball handler by committee with Paolo Franz Suggs and Black. But we need incremental playmaking improvement from all 4 to make that work. Then all you need is to grab a shooter. Tough decision I am scared they will be tempted to keep Fultz for another year I really hope they cut that cord

Agree. Right now and, I imagine, for the near future AB is not ready to be a starting PG for a serious team (which I think we are). But he can definitely be impactful and play 20 minutes in various roles as he grows...but he's got to be matched with someone capable of scoring - Cole? or, Cole's replacement?

Suggs isn't a good PG. He's not really a good SG either-by conventional definitions. But he's definitely a very good player and worthy of a starting spot...but both of these guys are unconventional players with difficult roles to define. Either (or both) could be tremendous with the right backcourt partner. I DO hope Suggs works on and improves his PG skills - but I just don't know if that's something easy to develop with drilling - it's kind of a lifetime thing...he may not be that far off, I don't know. But he's not that now.

It's why I LOVE Simons to partner with either one, pure 3-level scoring and youthful athleticism. IF his defense scares you (would he sit next to Jett?), Murray became the realistic choice...he'll put up 20, he's a real PG, he can play fierce defense, he's long and athletic, but not an elite floor spreader - which is not to say he wouldn't be among our best.

Long-winded point...Suggs and Black are unusual types and require the right role, which is kind of overlapping. If they are emerging as ORL's 2 best guards - that's not ideal at all. I still hope our best guard and likely #2 or #3 offensive option for next season isn't on the team yet.

[SOUL]

I think we may need to think more creatively in terms of what Black might be closer to.. I can see a prime Ingles sort of player if he can continue his three point acumen. More athletic, especially defensively, probably won't be close to being as good of a shooter as Ingles was with his career highs, but more so being a primary playmaker in certain lineups where he could theoretically play SF and be surrounded by interesting lineups.

Again, not comparing playstyles really, just archetype instead of slotting him in as a PG.

[pepe1991]

I think we may need to think more creatively in terms of what Black might be closer to.. I can see a prime Ingles sort of player if he can continue his three point acumen. More athletic, especially defensively, probably won't be close to being as good of a shooter as Ingles was with his career highs, but more so being a primary playmaker in certain lineups where he could theoretically play SF and be surrounded by interesting lineups.

Again, not comparing playstyles really, just archetype instead of slotting him in as a PG.

Pretty much Nick Batum without jumpshot

Apsolute best case Igoudala.

[eyriq]

How much money would you all offer Malik Monk in free agency?

None. It's a hard veto on any guard acquisition.

Edit: the only guard rotation I want next season is AB/Suggs/Cole/Jett

I would love for AB to be ready to be the PG but for a team with the aspirations next year I feel like he won’t be ready to be that PG playmaker. You almost need that veteran guy to come in for a year or two. Older guy ideally who can split minutes and you can rely on him when Black just doesn’t have it yet. Idk best case scenario is Suggs improves a bit running offense and he can be that PG for a year or two till Black is ready to take it. With more incremental improvement can we get rid of the Fultz crutch? Can we do a ball handler by committee with Paolo Franz Suggs and Black. But we need incremental playmaking improvement from all 4 to make that work. Then all you need is to grab a shooter. Tough decision I am scared they will be tempted to keep Fultz for another year I really hope they cut that cord

I want to take the training wheels off AB and Jett. They'll be year 2 players and if they are good they'll be able to contribute. Franz and Suggs are year 3 and Paolo is year 2 this season and they are leading us to the playoffs, you know?

AB is already a better defender than 80% of NBA guards, and Jett is a flame thrower in the G-League. They both show elite, NBA ready skills as rookies. I think the plan has always been to promote them in year 2.

[NYG]

1. What player options, cap holds, etc. roster info am I missing?
2. Who are you keeping that I don't have their cap hold or guaranteed contract?
3. Who are you letting go of that I have on the roster?

Magic
Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000
Cole Anthony $12,900,000
Paolo Banchero $12,160,800
Wendell Carter Jr. $11,950,000
Jalen Suggs $9,188,385
Moritz Wagner $8,000,000
Anthony Black $7,607,760
Franz Wagner $7,007,092
Jett Howard $5,278,320
16th Overall $4,060,800

Total Salary $95,553,157
Cap Space $44,109,195
Tax Space $77,046,843
1st Apron Space $84,046,843
2nd Apron Space $94,546,843
Cap Holds $2,337,648


Magic Questions
1. What does Orlando do with all the cap space?

[eyriq]

1. What player options, cap holds, etc. roster info am I missing?
2. Who are you keeping that I don't have their cap hold or guaranteed contract?
3. Who are you letting go of that I have on the roster?

Magic
Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000
Cole Anthony $12,900,000
Paolo Banchero $12,160,800
Wendell Carter Jr. $11,950,000
Jalen Suggs $9,188,385
Moritz Wagner $8,000,000
Anthony Black $7,607,760
Franz Wagner $7,007,092
Jett Howard $5,278,320
16th Overall $4,060,800

Total Salary $95,553,157
Cap Space $44,109,195
Tax Space $77,046,843
1st Apron Space $84,046,843
2nd Apron Space $94,546,843
Cap Holds $2,337,648


Magic Questions
1. What does Orlando do with all the cap space?

Keep Ingles, sign Claxton, restock the green goblins

[JoshuaPotter]

1. What player options, cap holds, etc. roster info am I missing?
2. Who are you keeping that I don't have their cap hold or guaranteed contract?
3. Who are you letting go of that I have on the roster?

Magic
Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000
Cole Anthony $12,900,000
Paolo Banchero $12,160,800
Wendell Carter Jr. $11,950,000
Jalen Suggs $9,188,385
Moritz Wagner $8,000,000
Anthony Black $7,607,760
Franz Wagner $7,007,092
Jett Howard $5,278,320
16th Overall $4,060,800

Total Salary $95,553,157
Cap Space $44,109,195
Tax Space $77,046,843
1st Apron Space $84,046,843
2nd Apron Space $94,546,843
Cap Holds $2,337,648


Magic Questions
1. What does Orlando do with all the cap space?

Keep Ingles, sign Claxton, restock the green goblins

It is not my first choice, but unless fultz goes down with another season ending injury. I totally see us doing a 1+1 Fultz deal and run it back waiting for Black to fill in his shoes.

The only way(s) I do not see this happening.
- We have a targeted free agent interrim PG
- Fultz is injured, Black steps in, does more then OK again either via a win streak or we make it to G7 of R1 / make it to R2.
- We abandon the idea of Black as a PG and find a full time PG. But this leaves zero succession plan for Black

There are other ways this happens I suppose. I definitely think its possible that next year Black shows that he is our 3rd option that we desperately need. I also wouldn't be mad if Suggs developed into that.

[Knightro]

I think we may need to think more creatively in terms of what Black might be closer to.. I can see a prime Ingles sort of player if he can continue his three point acumen. More athletic, especially defensively, probably won't be close to being as good of a shooter as Ingles was with his career highs, but more so being a primary playmaker in certain lineups where he could theoretically play SF and be surrounded by interesting lineups.

Again, not comparing playstyles really, just archetype instead of slotting him in as a PG.

I agree. Black might be able to play "point guard" for this team specifically when he, Franz and Paolo are all closer to the final forms of themselves given how much the latter two are going to initiate offense, but let's be real here - Black has just 77 assists in 880 minutes of court time. His assist percentage is just 11.8%. Those are 3&D type of metrics.

And not surprisingly, they have basically used him as mostly a 3&D player who sometimes also dribbles the ball up. And as much as we all like him, he's shown basically nothing to suggest there's a lot more to come, at least not yet.

This sense that he's this big point guard with all these shot creation skills for himself and others has certainly been more theoretical than reality in the times he's gotten on the court.

If his 3PT shot develops similar to how Suggs' has developed, there's a path for him to be a starter on this team specifically, but I'm very weary suggesting he's this great PG prospect because it doesn't appear that he is.

[JBSouthpaw]

After next year, Franz & Suggs will need new contracts, and PB the year after.
I'd overpay for LaMello Ball, He'd make it real easy for Franz & PB.

Cole, Jett, 4 1sts (24, 25,26 & 28), and 2 2nds.

Still have $$ for Vet FAs.

Ball/AB/FA
Suggs/FA (Monk)
Franz/Houstan
PB/JI
WCJ/MW/Goga

[orlando_joe]

1. What player options, cap holds, etc. roster info am I missing?
2. Who are you keeping that I don't have their cap hold or guaranteed contract?
3. Who are you letting go of that I have on the roster?

Magic
Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000
Cole Anthony $12,900,000
Paolo Banchero $12,160,800
Wendell Carter Jr. $11,950,000
Jalen Suggs $9,188,385
Moritz Wagner $8,000,000
Anthony Black $7,607,760
Franz Wagner $7,007,092
Jett Howard $5,278,320
16th Overall $4,060,800

Total Salary $95,553,157
Cap Space $44,109,195
Tax Space $77,046,843
1st Apron Space $84,046,843
2nd Apron Space $94,546,843
Cap Holds $2,337,648


Magic Questions
1. What does Orlando do with all the cap space?

i think magic keep houstan only 2 mill

if goga will sign in 5 mil range i think sign him for insurance
if no big name fit comes up for trade they just fill in with 1+/1 contracts on useful vets like the harris and ingles deals
i just do not see fa worth long term big contract for magic this yr

[Knightro]

It's why I LOVE Simons to partner with either one, pure 3-level scoring and youthful athleticism. IF his defense scares you (would he sit next to Jett?), Murray became the realistic choice...he'll put up 20, he's a real PG, he can play fierce defense, he's long and athletic, but not an elite floor spreader - which is not to say he wouldn't be among our best.

Long-winded point...Suggs and Black are unusual types and require the right role, which is kind of overlapping. If they are emerging as ORL's 2 best guards - that's not ideal at all. I still hope our best guard and likely #2 or #3 offensive option for next season isn't on the team yet.

Question for you...

If you like Simons, who would obviously cost trade assets to acquire, don't you also like Monk who would basically just cost cap space this summer?

They seem to be really similar, with Monk actually holding some noticeable advantages in some places.

[NYG]

1. What player options, cap holds, etc. roster info am I missing?
2. Who are you keeping that I don't have their cap hold or guaranteed contract?
3. Who are you letting go of that I have on the roster?

Magic
Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000
Cole Anthony $12,900,000
Paolo Banchero $12,160,800
Wendell Carter Jr. $11,950,000
Jalen Suggs $9,188,385
Moritz Wagner $8,000,000
Anthony Black $7,607,760
Franz Wagner $7,007,092
Jett Howard $5,278,320
16th Overall $4,060,800

Total Salary $95,553,157
Cap Space $44,109,195
Tax Space $77,046,843
1st Apron Space $84,046,843
2nd Apron Space $94,546,843
Cap Holds $2,337,648


Magic Questions
1. What does Orlando do with all the cap space?

i think magic keep houstan only 2 mill
if goga will sign in 5 mil range i think sign him
if no big name fit comes up for trade they just fill in with 1+/1 contracts on useful vets like the harris and ingles deals
i just do not see fa worth long term big contract for magic this yr

What about overpaying Gary Trent Jr. for 1 year and hoping he sacrifices years for annual salary

[Skybox]

It's why I LOVE Simons to partner with either one, pure 3-level scoring and youthful athleticism. IF his defense scares you (would he sit next to Jett?), Murray became the realistic choice...he'll put up 20, he's a real PG, he can play fierce defense, he's long and athletic, but not an elite floor spreader - which is not to say he wouldn't be among our best.

Long-winded point...Suggs and Black are unusual types and require the right role, which is kind of overlapping. If they are emerging as ORL's 2 best guards - that's not ideal at all. I still hope our best guard and likely #2 or #3 offensive option for next season isn't on the team yet.

Question for you...

If you like Simons, who would obviously cost trade assets to acquire, don't you also like Monk who would basically just cost cap space this summer?

They seem to be really similar, with Monk actually holding some noticeable advantages in some places.

Monk sure looks good...not honestly sure why I feel the hesitation. He's had a generally sporadic early career...kind of same vibe everybody has about Rozier-despite the production. I never felt that about Simons due to the silky smooth long range shooting.

I'll dig deeper as it's just a feeling.

[orlando_joe]

1. What player options, cap holds, etc. roster info am I missing?
2. Who are you keeping that I don't have their cap hold or guaranteed contract?
3. Who are you letting go of that I have on the roster?

Magic
Jonathan Isaac $17,400,000
Cole Anthony $12,900,000
Paolo Banchero $12,160,800
Wendell Carter Jr. $11,950,000
Jalen Suggs $9,188,385
Moritz Wagner $8,000,000
Anthony Black $7,607,760
Franz Wagner $7,007,092
Jett Howard $5,278,320
16th Overall $4,060,800

Total Salary $95,553,157
Cap Space $44,109,195
Tax Space $77,046,843
1st Apron Space $84,046,843
2nd Apron Space $94,546,843
Cap Holds $2,337,648


Magic Questions
1. What does Orlando do with all the cap space?

i think magic keep houstan only 2 mill
if goga will sign in 5 mil range i think sign him
if no big name fit comes up for trade they just fill in with 1+/1 contracts on useful vets like the harris and ingles deals
i just do not see fa worth long term big contract for magic this yr

What about overpaying Gary Trent Jr. for 1 year and hoping he sacrifices years for annual salary

i think magic want to give jett some min next season but depending on money maybe i think they want contracts to get to floor plus exp and can be used in trade if deal comes up giving picks as value but really they need guys that might be ok with not playing big min but useful if needed not sure how trent would be ok with that

[JoshuaPotter]

I think we may need to think more creatively in terms of what Black might be closer to.. I can see a prime Ingles sort of player if he can continue his three point acumen. More athletic, especially defensively, probably won't be close to being as good of a shooter as Ingles was with his career highs, but more so being a primary playmaker in certain lineups where he could theoretically play SF and be surrounded by interesting lineups.

Again, not comparing playstyles really, just archetype instead of slotting him in as a PG.

I agree. Black might be able to play "point guard" for this team specifically when he, Franz and Paolo are all closer to the final forms of themselves given how much the latter two are going to initiate offense, but let's be real here - Black has just 77 assists in 880 minutes of court time. His assist percentage is just 11.8%. Those are 3&D type of metrics.

And not surprisingly, they have basically used him as mostly a 3&D player who sometimes also dribbles the ball up. And as much as we all like him, he's shown basically nothing to suggest there's a lot more to come, at least not yet.

This sense that he's this big point guard with all these shot creation skills for himself and others has certainly been more theoretical than reality in the times he's gotten on the court.

If his 3PT shot develops similar to how Suggs' has developed, there's a path for him to be a starter on this team specifically, but I'm very weary suggesting he's this great PG prospect because it doesn't appear that he is.

If you watch draft nights press conference. The idea of IQ = Black and position-less basketball comes up several times.

The other side of this, is to be real and say that Black is very raw. Has been limited by playing time and his obvious role. - Going back to draft night though, minutes would need to be earned. Although I think he earned his playing time over Fultz. Brass clearly disagrees and has better ideas. If 3&D was his only goal, by proxy he is practically already there. Which puts him ahead of Suggs where he was in his rookie season.

The other side of that, is Blacks supposedly was a pick and roll type offensive player in college. Something we haven't seen at an NBA level possibly because his shot isn't there yet.

[eyriq]

I think we may need to think more creatively in terms of what Black might be closer to.. I can see a prime Ingles sort of player if he can continue his three point acumen. More athletic, especially defensively, probably won't be close to being as good of a shooter as Ingles was with his career highs, but more so being a primary playmaker in certain lineups where he could theoretically play SF and be surrounded by interesting lineups.

Again, not comparing playstyles really, just archetype instead of slotting him in as a PG.

He's using 12% of possessions out there, and when he does use a possession he's likely shooting a 3 (.358 3PAr) or attacking the basket and drawing a foul (.347 FTr). He's also locking down opposing PGs.

His assist to turnover ratio shows that he isn't ready to be our floor general or primary playmaker.

In college and highschool he WAS the primary playmaker and led his team in assists. Do you think his current performance is more about the role and being a rookie than it is about his archetype? Also, he's guarding PGs and as the saying goes you are the position you guard.

Don't try and over think this, AB is a PG.

[BadMofoPimp]

I think Magic management has zero interest in Claxton as they will attempt to resign Goga and keep Moritz. I wouldn't doubt if they do a sign and trade one of their expirings or Ingles for Duncan Robinson. I really feel the Magic won't make any major moves outside of backups like Duncan. I wouldn't be surprised if Fultz is brought back on a cheaper deal and mainly develop for the future unless they get a decent deal for Murray sign Tyus for a cheaper deal like $15-18 mil per being Tyus may end up a backup/starter if Fultz leaves.

After watching Duncan filling in for Jimmy Sunday, he could be a solid player on the right team. He even played PF and Center at times and played aggressive defense on Porzingus while he can shoot lights out at times. The Magic like positionless players like that and he would be a solid backup for Franz/Suggs. When his contract expires about the time Paolo/Franz get their extensions, this team could become a contender as that is the trajectory they are shooting for. Want nothing to do with Simons contract.

[Skybox]

I think Magic management has zero interest in Claxton as they will attempt to resign Goga and keep Moritz. I wouldn't doubt if they do a sign and trade one of their expirings or Ingles for Duncan Robinson. I really feel the Magic won't make any major moves outside of backups like Duncan. I wouldn't be surprised if Fultz is brought back on a cheaper deal and mainly develop for the future unless they get a decent deal for Murray sign Tyus for a cheaper deal like $15-18 mil per being Tyus may end up a backup/starter if Fultz leaves.

After watching Duncan filling in for Jimmy Sunday, he could be a solid player on the right team. He even played PF and Center at times and played aggressive defense on Porzingus while he can shoot lights out at times. The Magic like positionless players like that and he would be a solid backup for Franz/Suggs. When his contract expires about the time Paolo/Franz get their extensions, this team could become a contender as that is the trajectory they are shooting for. Want nothing to do with Simons contract.

I like Duncan. I think he's been labeled a slow single-tool sniper like Kennard, Beasley, etc...but after watching a few games - when the Heat are really cooking, the ball movement is really beautiful and he's certainly a part of it. The entire MIA team contributes to that. They're another team that doesn't really need a "real" PG because Bam and Jimmy and Herro, specifically, along with the rest of the team are so good at moving the ball for good shots. When they played us this season - I was really entranced by how well Duncan contributed to this - probably not assists, but definitely hockey assists...and, obviously, he can light it up from 3 on the highest level. I was also impressed with his intensity on both ends...again, easy to pigeonhole these 3pt specialists as non-contributors elsewhere and, sometimes it's true.

[yoyojw17]

I think Magic management has zero interest in Claxton as they will attempt to resign Goga and keep Moritz. I wouldn't doubt if they do a sign and trade one of their expirings or Ingles for Duncan Robinson. I really feel the Magic won't make any major moves outside of backups like Duncan. I wouldn't be surprised if Fultz is brought back on a cheaper deal and mainly develop for the future unless they get a decent deal for Murray sign Tyus for a cheaper deal like $15-18 mil per being Tyus may end up a backup/starter if Fultz leaves.

After watching Duncan filling in for Jimmy Sunday, he could be a solid player on the right team. He even played PF and Center at times and played aggressive defense on Porzingus while he can shoot lights out at times. The Magic like positionless players like that and he would be a solid backup for Franz/Suggs. When his contract expires about the time Paolo/Franz get their extensions, this team could become a contender as that is the trajectory they are shooting for. Want nothing to do with Simons contract.

I agree. With these points. Not sure why AB is being left out of the pg discussion.... just because he "hasn't shown much this season" . Personally.... his "lack of usage" is by design for themis season... and I wouldn't be surprised that the value they have for him and Jett might be undervalued by many. The mere fact that he showed a semblance of a jumper or 3 pointer.... I was sold for him long term. that shows that either his shooting from last year were tied to possible injury and lack of team talent .... more that peoples evaluation of him as just being a bad shooter.... or he has just put in that work in the offseason and during the year. I just think that he will be brought along slowly and will be given the opportunity next season. Him and Jett!!!!