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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 23 and NBA Cup Game 4: Orlando Magic (15-7) at New York Knicks (12-8) - 7:30pm 

Post#661 » by GameOver25 » Wed Dec 4, 2024 3:15 pm

basketballRob wrote:Of course, we have tired legs. Look at our schedule compared to the other teams

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You keep saying this, but we're like 1-2 more games played than other teams. With the max being 4 more games played.
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Post#662 » by basketballRob » Wed Dec 4, 2024 3:29 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Of course, we have tired legs. Look at our schedule compared to the other teams

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You keep saying this, but we're like 1-2 more games played than other teams. With the max being 4 more games played.
And more away games. We've played 14. Most teams have played single digits. If we win at Milwaukee, we'll play 18 road games and 10 home games.

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Post#663 » by tooler » Wed Dec 4, 2024 4:31 pm

GameOver25 wrote:I don't care about our bad shooting/off nights. I think most of the critics get that, my problem with this team is they look rattled when it matters and you know early on they'll be unable to overcome it. The composure just isn't there and you're wishing for adjustments and there's none. It's part of being a frustrated fan in real time. I'm just hoping it's a youth/young team issue. I guess we'll find out as the expectations continue to grow.

I think this is a really unfair generalization. How many times has this young team proven that they're tough, resilient, and don't give up? Struggling with one national TV game and a couple playoff games shouldn't have anyone throwing out "my problem with this team" as if they're fundamentally flawed.

Maybe you didn't intend that but the phrasing rubbed me the wrong way.

Think about your own composure as a fan. It's okay for the team to have a stinker and have them learn from it.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 23 and NBA Cup Game 4: Orlando Magic (15-7) at New York Knicks (12-8) - 7:30pm 

Post#664 » by eyriq » Wed Dec 4, 2024 5:11 pm

Key takeaway:

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 23 and NBA Cup Game 4: Orlando Magic (15-7) at New York Knicks (12-8) - 7:30pm 

Post#665 » by Redwood » Wed Dec 4, 2024 5:24 pm

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Redwood wrote:We have the second lowest 3pt percentage in the league at 31.3 percent, only .1 away from being tied for dead last. We rank 11th for most 3pt attempts per game with 38.1.

This is bad coaching, plain and simple. Suggs was 0-8 from three last night. Mosley, from my perspective, is more interested in being friends with our players than he is in being their coach. I don't believe the players fear him in any way because they know he is going to rarely, if ever, hold them accountable.

There is no reason of any kind that we should be anywhere near the top 10 in 3PA, when we shoot as poorly as we do from that range. If this doesn't stop I want Mosley gone. You can't be a competent head coach if you don't understand the limitations of your players.

I agree we shouldn't be taking quite as many 3PA but there is a reason we are near top 10. We are getting so many wide open 3PA and in this league we simply shouldn't be passing them up or it will just lead to highly contested twos. It's a tough thing to say especially with how poor we have been shooting but we have to trust guys to start making wide open threes. Approximately 58% of our 3PA have been wide open.


Wide open 3's only matter if you make them, when you're at the bottom of the league in converting those open looks to points it's time to change your offense. This is where our coaching staff falls short. Guys have the green light that simply shouldn't, I agree about Suggs that last season was an obvious outlier, but he's clearly not being restrained in any way by the coaching staff or else he wouldn't continue shooting 3's at this rate.

Let fans drool over players and exaggerate their abilities, the front office and coaching staff have an obligation to view our players objectively. When you're at the bottom of the league at something, stop doing that something or at the very least do it less often. It's up to our staff to work around this weakness and get guys open looks that they can convert at a higher rate. If our current staff can't do it, we need to find one that can.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 23 and NBA Cup Game 4: Orlando Magic (15-7) at New York Knicks (12-8) - 7:30pm 

Post#666 » by Skybox » Wed Dec 4, 2024 5:36 pm

eyriq wrote:Key takeaway:

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Fair enough take...but add Schroeder for basically Cole and, oh yeah, our best player is back soon and this team is MUCH farther along than they looked last night. Franz has looked like an All-NBA guy - NY looked like a contending team with matchups defensively that favored them...especially with 250lb Paolo out. OG can physically bully Franz a bit...but shift him to Paolo and Franz to Mikal and, despite the fact that they're both great players, they are physically outmatched on both ends by the ORL forward duo.

Watching the KAT/Brunson PnR is really pretty intriguing in that the 7' rolls to the 3pt line (taking his defender with him) and little Brunson is a bull in the paint, when he gets just a shred of space. If Bridges regains a bit of the offensive creation he showed in BRK...this could be a really good team...not real deep but a really well-constructed lineup of complementary players. If Mitchell Robinson gets enough health back to give them 15-20 tough defensive minutes, that'll mean a lot.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 23 and NBA Cup Game 4: Orlando Magic (15-7) at New York Knicks (12-8) - 7:30pm 

Post#667 » by GameOver25 » Wed Dec 4, 2024 5:41 pm

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GameOver25 wrote:I don't care about our bad shooting/off nights. I think most of the critics get that, my problem with this team is they look rattled when it matters and you know early on they'll be unable to overcome it. The composure just isn't there and you're wishing for adjustments and there's none. It's part of being a frustrated fan in real time. I'm just hoping it's a youth/young team issue. I guess we'll find out as the expectations continue to grow.

I think this is a really unfair generalization. How many times has this young team proven that they're tough, resilient, and don't give up? Struggling with one national TV game and a couple playoff games shouldn't have anyone throwing out "my problem with this team" as if they're fundamentally flawed.

Maybe you didn't intend that but the phrasing rubbed me the wrong way.

Think about your own composure as a fan. It's okay for the team to have a stinker and have them learn from it.

It's my observation, sorry you don't see it the same way. I think we agree in hoping they learn from it. There's plenty of big games left to do so.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 23 and NBA Cup Game 4: Orlando Magic (15-7) at New York Knicks (12-8) - 7:30pm 

Post#668 » by KillMonger » Wed Dec 4, 2024 5:49 pm

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eyriq wrote:
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I don't blame him. I blame people who thought playing garbage G league is "NBA like experience".

He is rookie experience vise.

Even his "preparation" in G league was complete mess, they just dumped 26% usage on him and gave him green light to shoot himself into solid numbers and he wasn't prepared for SPECIFIC role he will have on main roster. 3 and D, off ball movement, catch and shoot, curls, cuts, handoffs.


In G league he was given "main dog" role. One he will never have on team with Franz and Banchero ( or any other nba team for that matter). It gave me that Gordon year 3 vibe where he was "developed " into role he never had talent to play in actually competitive setting, if goal is anything but tanking.



As for rest, we got whooped by very good team, no big deal. Hopefully they can keep heads up and fight back vs 76ers.

Game started with us giving Suggs green light to play like he is prime Steph Curry. Despite fact he didn't even start off hot.

Knicks probably played better than they are ? Maybe? Brunson / Towns duo is hard to cover. I said before season started that Towns on East is instant top 10 player, and his impact tonight, on offense felt. Moe clapping on a road is something i can live without for rest of my days :lol:

very good analysis on jett here....as far as "no big deal" getting beat? i'm not sure anyone should be too comfortable with losing, especially when it's the first game with any kind of elevated stakes.....however we came to a gun fight without all our weapons so....
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 23 and NBA Cup Game 4: Orlando Magic (15-7) at New York Knicks (12-8) - 7:30pm 

Post#669 » by VFX » Wed Dec 4, 2024 6:02 pm

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eyriq wrote:Key takeaway:

Read on Twitter
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Fair enough take...but add Schroeder for basically Cole and, oh yeah, our best player is back soon and this team is MUCH farther along than they looked last night. Franz has looked like an All-NBA guy - NY looked like a contending team with matchups defensively that favored them...especially with 250lb Paolo out. OG can physically bully Franz a bit...but shift him to Paolo and Franz to Mikal and, despite the fact that they're both great players, they are physically outmatched on both ends by the ORL forward duo.

Watching the KAT/Brunson PnR is really pretty intriguing in that the 7' rolls to the 3pt line (taking his defender with him) and little Brunson is a bull in the paint, when he gets just a shred of space. If Bridges regains a bit of the offensive creation he showed in BRK...this could be a really good team...not real deep but a really well-constructed lineup of complementary players. If Mitchell Robinson gets enough health back to give them 15-20 tough defensive minutes, that'll mean a lot.


I have a few takeaways from this game even if it was anomalous considering the context of the situation.

I DO think a guy like Schroeder replacing Cole could set the tempo on offense when it starts looking chaotic. Cole is unplayable.
A simple change of Schroeder/Suggs/Franz/Paolo/Goga could balance everything out. It gives Suggs his role back and doesn't sacrifice the defense. KCP as a sixth man off the bench is a huge luxury.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the matchups during this game. New York shot lights out and Orlando didn't. It didnt help that KAT absolutely punished Carter inside after taking most of the season off from Center. That was the whole gameplan.

Isaac just isn't as valuable as people love to claim he is. Nobody will change my mind on this. He's relegated to limited minutes and completely disappears for games at a time offensively. Sure, he's elite on man defense and I love watching him for stretches. But how much does that actually matter when Paolo is back and he's playing less than 16mpg?

Carter is a backup "4". Maybe situationally he can shift to Center, but not against most matchups. He has no presence under the rim on either side of the floor. Offensively he can catch lobs but he has terrible hands otherwise. Thats about it. As someone stated earlier... Goga has outplayed him entirely on the defensive end of the floor and as a utility option space creator on offense. No idea where he fits when Paolo returns to huge minutes. Goga is NOT a third string bench warmer to be played sparingly. I will detest Mosely if he throws him back to that role.

Jett Howard is NOT an NBA talent. Sorry, but I just don't see this guy getting minutes in Orlando under Mosely. He looks totally lost on defense AND isn't shooting the ball well enough to justify being on the floor. This isn't a biased take. It just is what it is.

Anthony Black... I have no idea what his role in the league. He's a great defender and has shown flashes as a playmaker. I'll chalk it up to him being extremely young, but hes SO streaky with what he's doing on the floor. He doesn't look like a great ballhandler and doesnt appear to have any skill at shooting off the dribble. He turned the ball over 4 times in 19 minutes. Thats impressive. I'm high on him but again... what is his main role?

This game in particular? I'm not too upset about the L. The deck was stacked heavily against Orlando pulling off a W let alone remaining very competitive. At full health, this is definitely a closer game.

Also shout out to Weltman for trading the 2021 second round pick for nothing. Miles McBride was selected right after our pick and he dropped 18 on us. Gotta love it.
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Post#670 » by Bensational » Wed Dec 4, 2024 7:27 pm

I’m still pissed about this game, and the biggest reason is because they showed up without their identity - where was the league’s best defense? We’ve played other offensively potent teams and been able to stifle them and slow them down, but the effort wasn’t there last night. KCP looked like a turnstile against Brunson. Suggs wasn’t defending anyone. Black was a headless chicken.

This game looked like one of the early games after Paolo went down. I’ve been enjoying watching the team beat up injured g league squads, but it’s time for them to show up when the games matter and when they’re on the road. That was our weakness in the Cleveland series (playing on the road).
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Post#671 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Wed Dec 4, 2024 7:38 pm

eyriq wrote:Key takeaway:

Read on Twitter
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Who is saying this? I don’t know any real Magic fans that has been serious about that. Most of the time they are just joking about it because we all know this team CANNOT shoot.
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Post#672 » by eyriq » Wed Dec 4, 2024 7:41 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Key takeaway:

Read on Twitter
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Who is saying this? I don’t know any real Magic fans that has been serious about that. Most of the time they are just joking about it because we all know this team CANNOT shoot.
Haha I hear you. We are tantalizingly close and so ahead of schedule that it's tempting to ratchet up expectations.
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Post#673 » by Last Guardian » Wed Dec 4, 2024 8:12 pm

We would have lost no matter what since we didn't have enough offense going. Paolo is needed, simple as that. And younger guys just need to develop more.

Defensively however, the problem was fairly obvious to me. No Goga is a problem. When guards have no backup, they can't be as aggressive ball hawking. I see it very clearly. Doesn't mean we have to settle for Goga. I think he's proven himself quite well, but heck if you can somehow get Kessler or Hart or anyone similar then you go for it. Magic need to get serious about the C position.
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Post#674 » by RookieStar » Wed Dec 4, 2024 9:24 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Key takeaway:

Read on Twitter
?t=Jmb38GKz8KJNrb18fTSTcg&s=19

Who is saying this? I don’t know any real Magic fans that has been serious about that. Most of the time they are just joking about it because we all know this team CANNOT shoot.


Good question.

Who are these people? Because here we have been saying our time is not here yet. We are still in the "making noise" part
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Post#675 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Wed Dec 4, 2024 10:09 pm

I didn't read all the way through this, but did anyone notice OG pushing WCJ around like he was a child?...

I saw it in the first quarter, not even realizing it was OG doing it until I rewound it.

I don't follow him much, but him throwing around a 270 Carter was pretty foreboding to me when we had Goga and P5 out.

Is OG known for some kind of super human strength? Pushing around Franz was understandable, WCJ, not so much.
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Post#676 » by VFX » Wed Dec 4, 2024 10:21 pm

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:I didn't read all the way through this, but did anyone notice OG pushing WCJ around like he was a child?...

I saw it in the first quarter, not even realizing it was OG doing it until I rewound it.

I don't follow him much, but him throwing around a 270 Carter was pretty foreboding to me when we had Goga and P5 out.

Is OG known for some kind of super human strength? Pushing around Franz was understandable, WCJ, not so much.


To be fair, KAT is also charmin soft and he was abusing Carter all game like he was nothing.
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Post#677 » by basketballRob » Thu Dec 5, 2024 12:32 am

eyriq wrote:Key takeaway:

Read on Twitter
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Last night's game had nothing to do with how we'll look at the end of the season. It's a horrible take, and it sounds like he puts too much importance on a game in December.

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Post#678 » by drsd » Thu Dec 5, 2024 9:06 am

eyriq wrote:Key takeaway:

Read on Twitter
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I don't agree. Orlando seems probable to be a top-4 seed and anything less than round-2 in the playoffs would be, for me, a failure of a season.

Then: squeeze one road win and the Magic is in the Eastern Finals. I qualify that as "contender".

The Magic is not far off. If Banchero gels with F-Wagner, I can imagine two playoff series victories. I beleive!
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Post#679 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:12 pm

VFX wrote:
sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:I didn't read all the way through this, but did anyone notice OG pushing WCJ around like he was a child?...

I saw it in the first quarter, not even realizing it was OG doing it until I rewound it.

I don't follow him much, but him throwing around a 270 Carter was pretty foreboding to me when we had Goga and P5 out.

Is OG known for some kind of super human strength? Pushing around Franz was understandable, WCJ, not so much.


To be fair, KAT is also charmin soft and he was abusing Carter all game like he was nothing.


Yes, and it just made me feel like either he is playing hurt or IDK...

It was surprising to see him being pushed around so much.

At least with KAT you could claim 7 footer and weight.

OG man-handling him was somewhat shocking.

I haven't followed him though as a player, so maybe he's known for some bull like strength?
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Post#680 » by Bergmaniac » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:46 pm

OG is a really strong guy, he can defend centers quite well, he was defending Embiid in the low post quite a bit last season in the playoffs and making him work for every point.

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