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Re: Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued 

Post#6781 » by cedric76 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:49 pm

eyriq wrote:
cedric76 wrote:If you like Trey Murphy, check out those magic trades

https://youtu.be/CDTKCdn7jj8?si=RRLzvoUJi0K_SDAr

Great content from a cap expert
Interesting plan. I hate it.

In:
Trey Murphy
Ty Jerome
Moritz
Precious Achiuwa
CoJo

Out:
AB
KCP
Harris
Jett
16
25
2026 first


The 1st trade was interesting but could be improved on

16 for #19 + #26

In: Murphy
Out: AB + #26 + goga+ 2026 FRP + 2027 SRP+ Harris

In: sexton (agrees to extend for 17M per)
Out: Cole+ #25 + Jett

#19 draft Raynaud
Cojo vet min
Houstan opt in

Use our SRPs to get one of the Lanier or Brea

Suggs, Sexton ,cojo
Murphy, KCP , lanier/brea
Franz, Murphy, TDS
Paolo,ji, Moe , Houstan
WCJ, Moe, Raynaud
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Post#6782 » by Idiosyncratic » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:51 pm

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Show me a poimt/combo guard outside of Hali (who is a phenom) in the last 5-7 years who did anything of significance to help a contending team within the 1st 2 years or so. It's just soooooo hard to run an NBA offense that CoJo will do it better than Year 1 Cade Cunningham.

Those picks will be needed to move salary and attract teams to deal with us. I'd hope we draft nobody in the 1st frankly.


I get what you're saying, but the idea is if there isn't a true longterm fix available they could draft someone and trade for or sign a fill in. I would hope they are thinking more than 1-2 years out. Also this team is still going to lean heavily on Paolo and Franz no matter what. I'm not sure anyone they get controls the offense-- Simons and Sexton certainly won't, but if they can bend the defense and stretch the floor while competently moving the ball it is a huge upgrade.

Best option is to just fix the position long term with someone who fits financially obviously (hard to find), they are going to bring somebody in. But a lot of the apparently available options will be expensive to sign and may or may not even be long term starters on a good team. They can definitely have a prospect on the bench behind them.

But I agree for those reasons I wouldn't be a huge fan of trading a lot of equity to go up and take someone, but they absolutely can take a guard that falls to them while also trading for somebody to play a bulk of the minutes. This team owns like 20 picks over the next 7 years they have flexibility to make trades and draft players, it's not one or the other.
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Post#6783 » by eyriq » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:58 pm

cedric76 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
cedric76 wrote:If you like Trey Murphy, check out those magic trades

https://youtu.be/CDTKCdn7jj8?si=RRLzvoUJi0K_SDAr

Great content from a cap expert
Interesting plan. I hate it.

In:
Trey Murphy
Ty Jerome
Moritz
Precious Achiuwa
CoJo

Out:
AB
KCP
Harris
Jett
16
25
2026 first


The 1st trade was interesting but could be improved on

16 for #19 + #26

In: Murphy
Out: AB + #26 + goga+ 2026 FRP + 2027 SRP+ Harris

In: sexton (agrees to extend for 17M per)
Out: Cole+ #25 + Jett

#19 draft Raynaud
Cojo vet min
Houstan opt in

Use our SRPs to get one of the Lanier or Brea

Suggs, Sexton ,cojo
Murphy, KCP , lanier/brea
Franz, Murphy, TDS
Paolo,ji, Moe , Houstan
WCJ, Moe, Raynaud
I love the Sexton trade. I don't think Murphy is the right all-in target—wrong position and injury prone. Also, spending an all-star package on a non-allstar is risky in general.
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Post#6784 » by Skybox » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:07 pm

JF5 wrote:A few things to speculate. If it's a bigger trade I'm going to assume it's going to probably be for LaMelo Ball. ELITE playmaker and shooter who knocks down the 3 ball at an extremely stupid historic rate.


The only issue is Ball's value in a trade market and what Charlotte is looking for. Also, willingness to trade him to a division rival.


He TAKES them at a stupid historic rate...he doesn't make them at even league average...stupid being the key word for him, unfortunately.
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Post#6785 » by Skybox » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:11 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Can we drop this Trey Murphy thing? It's like entering Wizards board and listening to all the Franz trades. Guess what? It ain't happening.


Nobody trades their best player away and signs guy on FAT 4 years contract to drop him for bunch of role players and scrubs just because some picks.

Pelicans are one of top 5 teams in terms of most incomming draft capital. They don't need to trade him nor they have any cap problems.

Their only problem is Zion.

Murphy trade is as realistic as Jokić trade to Magic. Just because poster repeats it 50000 times probability is still zero.


Even if he was available, there are 100 guys that would make more sense for this team...upgrading KCP who never made sense.
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Post#6786 » by jezzerinho » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:13 pm

In full anticipation of a tidal wave of homeristic HELL NO's

Calmly, rationally and without sentiment would you consider a 3-way deal with UTA and HOU that sent out Paolo and salary and brought in Markkanen, Amen Thompson and picks?

Amen
Suggs
Franz
Markkanen
Carter

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Post#6787 » by basketballRob » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:13 pm

89Magicfan wrote:Reaves just seems like the best option
I doubt seriously that the Lakers would trade him. Reaves will be more valuable after he starts making more on his next extension. If he was making $35m, you could just swap him for Lamelo or someone like that.

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Post#6788 » by Skybox » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:13 pm

eyriq wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Interesting plan. I hate it.

In:
Trey Murphy
Ty Jerome
Moritz
Precious Achiuwa
CoJo

Out:
AB
KCP
Harris
Jett
16
25
2026 first


It’s important to note Jerome/Achiuwa are free agent acquisitions (that Orlando would be able to acquire regardless of the trade if they opened the MLE).

And you left out Goga.


Good call. You just made me vomit more. Absolutely disgusting

In:
Trey Murphy
Ty Jerome
Moritz
Precious Achiuwa
CoJo

Out:
AB
KCP
Harris
Jett
Goga
16
25
2026 first


Right...generally, getting Precious Achiuwa is the price for getting something you want, not a target himself.
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Post#6789 » by eyriq » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:15 pm

jezzerinho wrote:In full anticipation of a tidal wave of homeristic HELL NO's

Calmly, rationally and without sentiment would you consider a 3-way deal with UTA and HOU that sent out Paolo and salary and brought in Markkanen, Amen Thompson and picks?

Amen
Suggs
Franz
Markkanen
Carter

[CURLS UP IN FETAL POSITION]


I'd talk it through. Amen is him and I trust Franz a lot.
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Post#6790 » by Skybox » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:22 pm

cedric76 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
cedric76 wrote:If you like Trey Murphy, check out those magic trades

https://youtu.be/CDTKCdn7jj8?si=RRLzvoUJi0K_SDAr

Great content from a cap expert
Interesting plan. I hate it.

In:
Trey Murphy
Ty Jerome
Moritz
Precious Achiuwa
CoJo

Out:
AB
KCP
Harris
Jett
16
25
2026 first


The 1st trade was interesting but could be improved on

16 for #19 + #26

In: Murphy
Out: AB + #26 + goga+ 2026 FRP + 2027 SRP+ Harris

In: sexton (agrees to extend for 17M per)
Out: Cole+ #25 + Jett

#19 draft Raynaud
Cojo vet min
Houstan opt in

Use our SRPs to get one of the Lanier or Brea

Suggs, Sexton ,cojo
Murphy, KCP , lanier/brea
Franz, Murphy, TDS
Paolo,ji, Moe , Houstan
WCJ, Moe, Raynaud


The value and talent is there but you just can't pay everybody to be backups...2 starters out of position (Murphy is a 6'8 SF/PF and Suggs has shown he's not a PG). Murphy makes $25m, Suggs makes $35m, Sexton makes $19m BEFORE his raise and KCP makes $21.6 - that's the most expensive backcourt in the league and still lacking in playmaking...somehow, we also keep CoJo, Houstan, re-up Harris to trade and, amazingly, Moe - I guess he's grateful for vet min?
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Post#6791 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:27 pm

jezzerinho wrote:In full anticipation of a tidal wave of homeristic HELL NO's

Calmly, rationally and without sentiment would you consider a 3-way deal with UTA and HOU that sent out Paolo and salary and brought in Markkanen, Amen Thompson and picks?

Amen
Suggs
Franz
Markkanen
Carter

[CURLS UP IN FETAL POSITION]


Everything should deserve a talk at minimum. As much as we throw the word untouchable around, no one is truly untouchable. The league reminds us of this every season.

However, even if it makes sense on paper and is fair value for value there are variables outside of basketball you have to consider with doing such a trade that sometimes outweighs the trade itself. The Luka trade taught us this as well.

I don’t think Orlando as a market can afford to trade Paolo so early in his career EVEN if it makes the team better. The backlash would be irreparable for a small market like the Magic.
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Post#6792 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:32 pm

Skybox wrote:
JF5 wrote:A few things to speculate. If it's a bigger trade I'm going to assume it's going to probably be for LaMelo Ball. ELITE playmaker and shooter who knocks down the 3 ball at an extremely stupid historic rate.


The only issue is Ball's value in a trade market and what Charlotte is looking for. Also, willingness to trade him to a division rival.


He TAKES them at a stupid historic rate...he doesn't make them at even league average...stupid being the key word for him, unfortunately.


I have a soft spot for LaMelo.

I really think with the right coaching staff, the right veterans and the right motivation (playing for a winning team) and the right medical care that Ball could be a difference maker.

There’s just a lot of things that need to go right for it to make sense and probably not worth the risk/investment with all things considered.

But man oh man if Orlando traded for Ball, I would be equally excited as I’m equally terrified :lol:
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Post#6793 » by jezzerinho » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:35 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:In full anticipation of a tidal wave of homeristic HELL NO's

Calmly, rationally and without sentiment would you consider a 3-way deal with UTA and HOU that sent out Paolo and salary and brought in Markkanen, Amen Thompson and picks?

Amen
Suggs
Franz
Markkanen
Carter

[CURLS UP IN FETAL POSITION]


Everything should deserve a talk at minimum. As much as we throw the word untouchable around, no one is truly untouchable. The league reminds us of this every season.

However, even if it makes sense on paper and is fair value for value there are variables outside of basketball you have to consider with doing such a trade that sometimes outweighs the trade itself. The Luka trade taught us this as well.

I don’t think Orlando as a market can afford to trade Paolo so early in his career EVEN if it makes the team better. The backlash would be irreparable for a small market like the Magic.


I hear what you say but it didn't do the Pacers any harm when they dealt Sabonis for Hali and Hield.
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Post#6794 » by pepe1991 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:36 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
JF5 wrote:A few things to speculate. If it's a bigger trade I'm going to assume it's going to probably be for LaMelo Ball. ELITE playmaker and shooter who knocks down the 3 ball at an extremely stupid historic rate.


The only issue is Ball's value in a trade market and what Charlotte is looking for. Also, willingness to trade him to a division rival.


He TAKES them at a stupid historic rate...he doesn't make them at even league average...stupid being the key word for him, unfortunately.


I have a soft spot for LaMelo.

I really think with the right coaching staff, the right veterans and the right motivation (playing for a winning team) and the right medical care that Ball could be a difference maker.

There’s just a lot of things that need to go right for it to make sense and probably not worth the risk/investment with all things considered.

But man oh man if Orlando traded for Ball, I would be equally excited as I’m equally terrified :lol:


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Post#6795 » by cedric76 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:46 pm

eyriq wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Interesting plan. I hate it.

In:
Trey Murphy
Ty Jerome
Moritz
Precious Achiuwa
CoJo

Out:
AB
KCP
Harris
Jett
16
25
2026 first


The 1st trade was interesting but could be improved on

16 for #19 + #26

In: Murphy
Out: AB + #26 + goga+ 2026 FRP + 2027 SRP+ Harris

In: sexton (agrees to extend for 17M per)
Out: Cole+ #25 + Jett

#19 draft Raynaud
Cojo vet min
Houstan opt in

Use our SRPs to get one of the Lanier or Brea

Suggs, Sexton ,cojo
Murphy, KCP , lanier/brea
Franz, Murphy, TDS
Paolo,ji, Moe , Houstan
WCJ, Moe, Raynaud
I love the Sexton trade. I don't think Murphy is the right all-in target—wrong position and injury prone. Also, spending an all-star package on a non-allstar is risky in general.


Is it an all in move though?
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Post#6796 » by T-Cat » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:46 pm

Dwight has been in the gym training for Big 3! :o

He would be a more impactful player for us than WCJ and Goga for 15-20 minutes a game! :nod:

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Post#6797 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:49 pm

jezzerinho wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:In full anticipation of a tidal wave of homeristic HELL NO's

Calmly, rationally and without sentiment would you consider a 3-way deal with UTA and HOU that sent out Paolo and salary and brought in Markkanen, Amen Thompson and picks?

Amen
Suggs
Franz
Markkanen
Carter

[CURLS UP IN FETAL POSITION]


Everything should deserve a talk at minimum. As much as we throw the word untouchable around, no one is truly untouchable. The league reminds us of this every season.

However, even if it makes sense on paper and is fair value for value there are variables outside of basketball you have to consider with doing such a trade that sometimes outweighs the trade itself. The Luka trade taught us this as well.

I don’t think Orlando as a market can afford to trade Paolo so early in his career EVEN if it makes the team better. The backlash would be irreparable for a small market like the Magic.


I hear what you say but it didn't do the Pacers any harm when they dealt Sabonis for Hali and Hield.


Sabonis wasn’t drafted by Indiana. Sabonis wasn’t the #1 pick. Sabonis wasn’t represented by a past player that has strong ties to the team. Sabonis wasn’t putting up franchise breaking numbers.

Sabonis was a post scoring big that lacked an outside shot and was a defensive liability. It was smart business NOT to build around that type of archetype.

Even if their stats are similar, Paolo with his size, fluidity and upside is x10 the prospect Sabonis is/was.
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Post#6798 » by JF5 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:49 pm

Skybox wrote:
JF5 wrote:A few things to speculate. If it's a bigger trade I'm going to assume it's going to probably be for LaMelo Ball. ELITE playmaker and shooter who knocks down the 3 ball at an extremely stupid historic rate.


The only issue is Ball's value in a trade market and what Charlotte is looking for. Also, willingness to trade him to a division rival.


He TAKES them at a stupid historic rate...he doesn't make them at even league average...stupid being the key word for him, unfortunately.


This is fair... but I think with him being on an organization that's not winning and was looking for fans to come to the game. I think him playing like the way that he did is what they wanted/encouraged him to do. On this team he'd be way more efficient and go back to higher 3 point percent averages and playing in a more controlled way.

Granted i think some of that would still be there. But a move for LaMelo (and his style of play) along with Playing with Paolo and Franz would push this team to being a top 5 mainstream team in the league/whilst being one of the best.

The national coverage and general sales/revenue that would be brought in with that trio would probably explode and make the tax apron issue less daunting.

That's the only big trade that makes sense to me with the potential marketing/revenue and team dynamics/needs. It just fits seamlessly.
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Post#6799 » by cedric76 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:52 pm

I keep playing with the numbers and i cant get a team below the 1st apron better than this one

suggs,sexton,Cojo
KCP,AB,Harris
franz, Oneil,TDS
Paolo,JI,Caleb
WCJ,Raynaud, Moe

400 K $ under the 1st apron

Jett s job is very hard
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Post#6800 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:57 pm

JF5 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
JF5 wrote:A few things to speculate. If it's a bigger trade I'm going to assume it's going to probably be for LaMelo Ball. ELITE playmaker and shooter who knocks down the 3 ball at an extremely stupid historic rate.


The only issue is Ball's value in a trade market and what Charlotte is looking for. Also, willingness to trade him to a division rival.


He TAKES them at a stupid historic rate...he doesn't make them at even league average...stupid being the key word for him, unfortunately.


This is fair... but I think with him being on an organization that's not winning and was looking for fans to come to the game. I think him playing like the way that he did is what they wanted/encouraged him to do. On this team he'd be way more efficient and go back to higher 3 point percent averages and playing in a more controlled way.

Granted i think some of that would still be there. But a move for LaMelo (and his style of play) along with Playing with Paolo and Franz would push this team to being a top 5 mainstream team in the league/whilst being one of the best.

The national coverage and general sales/revenue that would be brought in with that trio would probably explode and make the tax apron issue less daunting.

That's the only big trade that makes sense to me with the potential marketing/revenue and team dynamics/needs. It just fits seamlessly.


I second this.

The NBA is a business and sometimes teams risk a little on court to profit more off court.

Ticket sales will sky rocket, national media will have a field day. Orlando would instantly become must watch TV/Leaguepass favorite.

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