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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition)

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Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#681 » by MagicTownBaller » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:37 am

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dsg2021 wrote:Remember Bower had some serious financial constraints from that one owner, and probably a lesser FO/scouting staff than other franchises, but yes, I'm also not digging him for GM. He'd be among my last choices.

I'm hoping the Magic take a hard run at these guys and one of them comes over:

Lindsey
Weaver
Hennigan
Pritchard
Morway


He had major financial restraints but didn't have a problem giving big money to an old Peja and trading for Okafor's albatross...

Exactly! No Bower for Orlando.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#682 » by dsg2021 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:38 am

Also the Posey contract was bad after like only 1 year. That was maybe the beginning of the end.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#683 » by Optimus_Steel » Tue Jun 5, 2012 3:56 am

Bower would be just perpetuating the in house/friends of the family hire that has burned the Magic in the past. This ownership is the problem we keep coming up short and the reason all our superstars have left on bad terms. Bower made that mind boggling move to give a well past his prime Peja that huge contract. Expect more of the same if the Magic hire him. Its tough being a fan of this team seeing this non sense.
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Post#684 » by WeAreVenom » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:14 am

prorl wrote:Bower would be just perpetuating the in house/friends of the family hire that has burned the Magic in the past. This ownership is the problem we keep coming up short and the reason all our superstars have left on bad terms. Bower made that mind boggling move to give a well past his prime Peja that huge contract. Expect more of the same if the Magic hire him. Its tough being a fan of this team seeing this non sense.


I really hope they don't do this......

They need to stop hiring their f****** friends and go and look for a real GM.
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Post#685 » by dsg2021 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:22 am

I think most of the input on who's going to GM is from Martins. I personally don't have anything against an ownership that pays the Magic to top 5 in the world recently. Martins just needs to look at that implication and make sure he gets a very expert GM to avoid these Lewis/Arenas contracts and draft smart finally and to make us have a plan to contend on the conf. and league finals. They need to be overly qualified and make Dwight impressed in person with notable background. I don't think it'll be Bower unless it's a solid fall back option from the Spurs/Thunder/Pacers execs.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#686 » by thelead » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:30 am

dsg2021 wrote:I think most of the input on who's going to GM is from Martins. I personally don't have anything against an ownership that pays the Magic to top 5 in the world recently. Martins just needs to look at that implication and make sure he gets a very expert GM to avoid these Lewis/Arenas contracts and draft smart finally and to make us have a plan to contend on the conf. and league finals. They need to be overly qualified and make Dwight impressed in person with notable background. I don't think it'll be Bower unless it's a solid fall back option from the Spurs/Thunder/Pacers execs.


Ownership is at the root of the problem though. Sure, they spend money but they a) hire idiots that don't know how to manage their money b) don't care enough to make the necessary changes to actually become a "championship" ball club. My opinion and loyalty to this team will hang on these next few decisions. Let's see what they're really about or if it's all just lip service.
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Post#687 » by Bensational » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:35 am

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eyriq wrote:Anderson: USG% 21.2|ORtg 124
Rudy Gay: USG% 25.1|ORtg 104

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playoffs USG - Gay 25%/Anderson 16%

the Magic went to guys like Baby, Nelson, Redick, Turk, JRich all over Anderson.


Yeah, and now you know why they fired SVG


whilst i agree that Stan didn't do enough to incorporate Ryan in more ways for the entire season, i don't think he lost his job because he didn't go to the one guy who has shown far less ability to create his own shot his whole career.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#688 » by WeAreVenom » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:36 am

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dsg2021 wrote:I think most of the input on who's going to GM is from Martins. I personally don't have anything against an ownership that pays the Magic to top 5 in the world recently. Martins just needs to look at that implication and make sure he gets a very expert GM to avoid these Lewis/Arenas contracts and draft smart finally and to make us have a plan to contend on the conf. and league finals. They need to be overly qualified and make Dwight impressed in person with notable background. I don't think it'll be Bower unless it's a solid fall back option from the Spurs/Thunder/Pacers execs.


Ownership is at the root of the problem though. Sure, they spend money but they a) hire idiots that don't know how to manage their money b) don't care enough to make the necessary changes to actually become a "championship" ball club. My opinion and loyalty to this team will hang on these next few decisions. Let's see what they're really about or if it's all just lip service.


I blame them, as well........Well, in part, anyway.

Any owner who had been paying attention would know better than to give Lewis a Max contract, that's inexcusable. They also wouldn't trade that contract for the only one that is worse. Otis would've been let go a long time ago for even trying bulls*** like that, among other things....

We are very lucky to have owners who shell out money like this, but I wish they were more involved.
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Post#689 » by Bensational » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:38 am

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prorl wrote:Bower would be just perpetuating the in house/friends of the family hire that has burned the Magic in the past. This ownership is the problem we keep coming up short and the reason all our superstars have left on bad terms. Bower made that mind boggling move to give a well past his prime Peja that huge contract. Expect more of the same if the Magic hire him. Its tough being a fan of this team seeing this non sense.


I really hope they don't do this......

They need to stop hiring their f****** friends and go and look for a real GM.


you'd be out of the running then, mr 'lead assistant'. :wink:
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Post#690 » by thelead » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:40 am

I dont know anything about Hockey but if I were rich enough to own a NHL club I would hire some of the most respected hockey people to at least consult me. I wouldn't just hire people from within, give them a blank check and hope for the best. That is the RDV model.
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Post#691 » by Bensational » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:46 am

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dsg2021 wrote:I think most of the input on who's going to GM is from Martins. I personally don't have anything against an ownership that pays the Magic to top 5 in the world recently. Martins just needs to look at that implication and make sure he gets a very expert GM to avoid these Lewis/Arenas contracts and draft smart finally and to make us have a plan to contend on the conf. and league finals. They need to be overly qualified and make Dwight impressed in person with notable background. I don't think it'll be Bower unless it's a solid fall back option from the Spurs/Thunder/Pacers execs.


Ownership is at the root of the problem though. Sure, they spend money but they a) hire idiots that don't know how to manage their money b) don't care enough to make the necessary changes to actually become a "championship" ball club. My opinion and loyalty to this team will hang on these next few decisions. Let's see what they're really about or if it's all just lip service.


I blame them, as well........Well, in part, anyway.

Any owner who had been paying attention would know better than to give Lewis a Max contract, that's inexcusable. They also wouldn't trade that contract for the only one that is worse. Otis would've been let go a long time ago for even trying bulls*** like that, among other things....

We are very lucky to have owners who shell out money like this, but I wish they were more involved.


i'm wondering if they structure their player contracts 'amway style', so a large part of that money trickles back up to them in the end anyway?
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Post#692 » by christian72589 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:48 am

I've been really surprised that we haven't been getting any news at all really on the GM/coach search. It's kind of the biggest deal in our franchise history considering it has implications of us either rebuilding or competing in two years.
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Post#693 » by christian72589 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:49 am

also, yes, Rudy Gay would be great for us... even if it costs Anderson, which it won't because they have ZBo. Why would they want Anderson?
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Post#694 » by christian72589 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:52 am

D12VCMagic wrote:We'll hire Bower because Martins knows him and he isn't a strong presence who will stand up to Martins behind the scenes.



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Post#695 » by rcklsscognition » Tue Jun 5, 2012 4:59 am

christian72589 wrote:I've been really surprised that we haven't been getting any news at all really on the GM/coach search. It's kind of the biggest deal in our franchise history considering it has implications of us either rebuilding or competing in two years.


Portland is worse than us, they interviewed 4 guys for their GM and Paul Allen had been twiddling his thumbs deciding between the four of them for like 2 weeks. We've only interviewed 1 confirmed guy, at least it's not all over and done and Martins is messing around on vacation. If we go at Portland's speed, it'll be late next week by the time we get a GM.
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Post#696 » by Bensational » Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:14 am

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christian72589 wrote:I've been really surprised that we haven't been getting any news at all really on the GM/coach search. It's kind of the biggest deal in our franchise history considering it has implications of us either rebuilding or competing in two years.


Portland is worse than us, they interviewed 4 guys for their GM and Paul Allen had been twiddling his thumbs deciding between the four of them for like 2 weeks. We've only interviewed 1 confirmed guy, at least it's not all over and done and Martins is messing around on vacation. If we go at Portland's speed, it'll be late next week by the time we get a GM.


how are they slower than us? at least they've got guys to decide between. i'd rather spend time making the decision than spend time trying to find candidates...
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#697 » by Def Swami » Tue Jun 5, 2012 5:33 am

Even though it probably won't happen, Alex better catch some heat from the Orlando media if he hires Jeff Bower. You can't go around advocating for championship experience and hire a guy who has been out of the first round only once.
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Post#698 » by MagicFan32 » Tue Jun 5, 2012 6:12 am

I will no longer emotionally invest myself in this team with such a bad hire.
Bower single handily soured West and Paul on NOH.

This is the type of nepotism bull that has constantly got us nowhere. if they hire Mr. Robotnik I honestly cannot blame d12 for wanting out, CP3 is going to tell him how horrible this guy is.

Bad drafter, bad coach, bad GM. Alex Martins should be smarter than this ****
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Post#699 » by Skin » Tue Jun 5, 2012 8:46 am

christian72589 wrote:I've been really surprised that we haven't been getting any news at all really on the GM/coach search. It's kind of the biggest deal in our franchise history considering it has implications of us either rebuilding or competing in two years.

I've been wondering if Martins is waiting for the Celtics to lose, so he can talk to Doc Rivers.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition) 

Post#700 » by Tayswagzzz » Tue Jun 5, 2012 8:59 am

Skin wrote:
christian72589 wrote:I've been really surprised that we haven't been getting any news at all really on the GM/coach search. It's kind of the biggest deal in our franchise history considering it has implications of us either rebuilding or competing in two years.

I've been wondering if Martins is waiting for the Celtics to lose, so he can talk to Doc Rivers.


By what I've been told, yes.

Whether they lose or not...lol
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