Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XLV "Re-Building" Edition)

[KingRobb02]

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.

If you're going to say youth and intangibles, fine but remember that there was a reason he fell out of the rotation in Boston. 1) He kept reporting to camp out of shape. That would be OK if he was Shaq, but not for an 8th man. 2) He was never able to consistently hit the mid range jumper that Bass has been nailing for them. All the hustle in the world doesn't explain why we gave him that extension. If we were just brining hi min to appease Dwight, we should have let him play out the final year of his deal so he could expire when Dwight expired and we would have been winners all around. I love that he plays hard and wants to be here, but for now, I would rather Drew, Nik, Ayon, and McBobs get those minutes at PF/C and I hate paying guys $6M to sit on the bench and cheer.

[KingRobb02]

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.

If you're going to say youth and intangibles, fine but remember that there was a reason he fell out of the rotation in Boston. 1) He kept reporting to camp out of shape. That would be OK if he was Shaq, but not for an 8th man. 2) He was never able to consistently hit the mid range jumper that Bass has been nailing for them. All the hustle in the world doesn't explain why we gave him that extension. If we were just brining hi min to appease Dwight, we should have let him play out the final year of his deal so he could expire when Dwight expired and we would have been winners all around. I love that he plays hard and wants to be here, but for now, I would rather Drew, Nik, Ayon, and McBobs get those minutes at PF/C and I hate paying guys $6M to sit on the bench and cheer.

[KingRobb02]

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.

If you're going to say youth and intangibles, fine but remember that there was a reason he fell out of the rotation in Boston. 1) He kept reporting to camp out of shape. That would be OK if he was Shaq, but not for an 8th man. 2) He was never able to consistently hit the mid range jumper that Bass has been nailing for them. All the hustle in the world doesn't explain why we gave him that extension. If we were just brining hi min to appease Dwight, we should have let him play out the final year of his deal so he could expire when Dwight expired and we would have been winners all around. I love that he plays hard and wants to be here, but for now, I would rather Drew, Nik, Ayon, and McBobs get those minutes at PF/C and I hate paying guys $6M to sit on the bench and cheer.

[MagicFan41]

Well you believe incorrectly. Look at it again. Look at even the final year where the only guaranteed (and it's not technically guaranteed cuz he could opt out) is Afflalo's player option...but it still claims we are on the hook for $13mil

That is how team salaries are calculated. You put the numbers of all players down that are guaranteed money if they are on the team. Why would you list a team salary of just the salary of no players? That doesn't make sense. These are our obligations, if the players are on the team, which is the basic assumption. You don't assume they aren't on the team.

Ummmmm, no. The debate was that we were "financially strapped" and somebody wanted to know what our cap situation looked like going forward. If you hold team options on players, that doesn't leave you "strapped" as you have the option to tell the player to F-off for $0 hit against your cap. My point was that it's misleading to put those numbers because people who don't look into it much (like you - "I believe they include all guaranteed money" which makes it seem as though we have guaranteed a player that money no matter what, which isn't true because we have the option to decline that portion of the contract) will think that we have all that cap room eaten up.

[KingRobb02]

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.

If you're going to say youth and intangibles, fine but remember that there was a reason he fell out of the rotation in Boston. 1) He kept reporting to camp out of shape. That would be OK if he was Shaq, but not for an 8th man. 2) He was never able to consistently hit the mid range jumper that Bass has been nailing for them. All the hustle in the world doesn't explain why we gave him that extension. If we were just brining hi min to appease Dwight, we should have let him play out the final year of his deal so he could expire when Dwight expired and we would have been winners all around. I love that he plays hard and wants to be here, but for now, I would rather Drew, Nik, Ayon, and McBobs get those minutes at PF/C and I hate paying guys $6M to sit on the bench and cheer.

[MagicFan41]

Well you believe incorrectly. Look at it again. Look at even the final year where the only guaranteed (and it's not technically guaranteed cuz he could opt out) is Afflalo's player option...but it still claims we are on the hook for $13mil

That is how team salaries are calculated. You put the numbers of all players down that are guaranteed money if they are on the team. Why would you list a team salary of just the salary of no players? That doesn't make sense. These are our obligations, if the players are on the team, which is the basic assumption. You don't assume they aren't on the team.

Ummmmm, no. The debate was that we were "financially strapped" and somebody wanted to know what our cap situation looked like going forward. If you hold team options on players, that doesn't leave you "strapped" as you have the option to tell the player to F-off for $0 hit against your cap. My point was that it's misleading to put those numbers because people who don't look into it much (like you - "I believe they include all guaranteed money" which makes it seem as though we have guaranteed a player that money no matter what, which isn't true because we have the option to decline that portion of the contract) will think that we have all that cap room eaten up.

[MagicFan41]

Well you believe incorrectly. Look at it again. Look at even the final year where the only guaranteed (and it's not technically guaranteed cuz he could opt out) is Afflalo's player option...but it still claims we are on the hook for $13mil

That is how team salaries are calculated. You put the numbers of all players down that are guaranteed money if they are on the team. Why would you list a team salary of just the salary of no players? That doesn't make sense. These are our obligations, if the players are on the team, which is the basic assumption. You don't assume they aren't on the team.

Ummmmm, no. The debate was that we were "financially strapped" and somebody wanted to know what our cap situation looked like going forward. If you hold team options on players, that doesn't leave you "strapped" as you have the option to tell the player to F-off for $0 hit against your cap. My point was that it's misleading to put those numbers because people who don't look into it much (like you - "I believe they include all guaranteed money" which makes it seem as though we have guaranteed a player that money no matter what, which isn't true because we have the option to decline that portion of the contract) will think that we have all that cap room eaten up.

[KingRobb02]

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.

If you're going to say youth and intangibles, fine but remember that there was a reason he fell out of the rotation in Boston. 1) He kept reporting to camp out of shape. That would be OK if he was Shaq, but not for an 8th man. 2) He was never able to consistently hit the mid range jumper that Bass has been nailing for them. All the hustle in the world doesn't explain why we gave him that extension. If we were just brining hi min to appease Dwight, we should have let him play out the final year of his deal so he could expire when Dwight expired and we would have been winners all around. I love that he plays hard and wants to be here, but for now, I would rather Drew, Nik, Ayon, and McBobs get those minutes at PF/C and I hate paying guys $6M to sit on the bench and cheer.

[Nyce_1]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/13/report-jazz-had-trade-talks-about-getting-ryan-anderson/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We wanted Millsap for Ryno

that would've been one hell of a trade piece to flip.

[MagicFan41]

Well you believe incorrectly. Look at it again. Look at even the final year where the only guaranteed (and it's not technically guaranteed cuz he could opt out) is Afflalo's player option...but it still claims we are on the hook for $13mil

That is how team salaries are calculated. You put the numbers of all players down that are guaranteed money if they are on the team. Why would you list a team salary of just the salary of no players? That doesn't make sense. These are our obligations, if the players are on the team, which is the basic assumption. You don't assume they aren't on the team.

Ummmmm, no. The debate was that we were "financially strapped" and somebody wanted to know what our cap situation looked like going forward. If you hold team options on players, that doesn't leave you "strapped" as you have the option to tell the player to F-off for $0 hit against your cap. My point was that it's misleading to put those numbers because people who don't look into it much (like you - "I believe they include all guaranteed money" which makes it seem as though we have guaranteed a player that money no matter what, which isn't true because we have the option to decline that portion of the contract) will think that we have all that cap room eaten up.

[KingRobb02]

Big Baby has better talent in his crap than Jrich has in his whole body.

Jrich is declining, constantly hurt whos not that effective.
Big Baby plays hard and goes out and does something and can play solid Man defense

I agree that Baby plays hard, but that doesn't make him talented. He is still a jump shooter who can't shoot. I like my primary post scorer to be better than 43%. His man to man defense is suspect, but he is one of the best in the league at his defensive rotations and IQ.

It seems Davis is being kept around for his intangibles. Dude learned from a great culture and leader in KG & the Celtics and because of that, he embodies what we want and are trying to do here. His value to us may come on the court, but his intangibles off the court is what will really benefit us and the younger players. Dude WANTS to stay here and go through the rebuild and create something special in Orlando. Not a lot of guys have that mentality and it'll only spread to the youngsters.

If you're going to say youth and intangibles, fine but remember that there was a reason he fell out of the rotation in Boston. 1) He kept reporting to camp out of shape. That would be OK if he was Shaq, but not for an 8th man. 2) He was never able to consistently hit the mid range jumper that Bass has been nailing for them. All the hustle in the world doesn't explain why we gave him that extension. If we were just brining hi min to appease Dwight, we should have let him play out the final year of his deal so he could expire when Dwight expired and we would have been winners all around. I love that he plays hard and wants to be here, but for now, I would rather Drew, Nik, Ayon, and McBobs get those minutes at PF/C and I hate paying guys $6M to sit on the bench and cheer.

[Nyce_1]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/13/report-jazz-had-trade-talks-about-getting-ryan-anderson/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We wanted Millsap for Ryno

that would've been one hell of a trade piece to flip.

[MagicFan41]

Well you believe incorrectly. Look at it again. Look at even the final year where the only guaranteed (and it's not technically guaranteed cuz he could opt out) is Afflalo's player option...but it still claims we are on the hook for $13mil

That is how team salaries are calculated. You put the numbers of all players down that are guaranteed money if they are on the team. Why would you list a team salary of just the salary of no players? That doesn't make sense. These are our obligations, if the players are on the team, which is the basic assumption. You don't assume they aren't on the team.

Ummmmm, no. The debate was that we were "financially strapped" and somebody wanted to know what our cap situation looked like going forward. If you hold team options on players, that doesn't leave you "strapped" as you have the option to tell the player to F-off for $0 hit against your cap. My point was that it's misleading to put those numbers because people who don't look into it much (like you - "I believe they include all guaranteed money" which makes it seem as though we have guaranteed a player that money no matter what, which isn't true because we have the option to decline that portion of the contract) will think that we have all that cap room eaten up.

[TDJacksonville]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/13/report-jazz-had-trade-talks-about-getting-ryan-anderson/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We wanted Millsap for Ryno

that would've been one hell of a trade piece to flip.

would have been a pretty fair trade considering they could lose milsap for nothing

[Swiftraven]

...is MagicFan41 spam posting for fun or is something up with the site...

[BadMofoPimp]

Wait, Bynum is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Wait, Iggy is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Instead, Magic got Aflalo at $7.5mil over 4 years and Harrington at $7 mil per over 3 years.

Oh yeh, a player drafted 15th in the draft.

Absolutely Epic Fail!

who cares about any of those players if ownership decided they wanted to go into a rebuilding process? those two players doesn't help that at all......Contrary to believe Affalo and Harrington can be moved.....i swear man people are acting like there was any situation where we could of been 100% happy.....not everyone is going to be happy no matter we did or what other deals we took.....

Ok. Maybe I am not explaining myself clearly enough. I am not saying the Magic or their fans wanted those players. But, they could have gotten value back worthy of an Iggy and Bynum. Instead, the Magic got hosed with longer term contracts than what they sent out and a player worth 15th pick in the draft. Iggy or Bynum are worth more than that alone.

It is like the Magic wanted to hurt themselves in this trade instead of improve.

Worst trade I ever witnessed in Professional Sports history. I am embarrased for the Magic and our fans.

[Def Swami]

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/13/report-jazz-had-trade-talks-about-getting-ryan-anderson/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We wanted Millsap for Ryno

that would've been one hell of a trade piece to flip.

Millsap >> Ryan

[TDJacksonville]

Wait, Bynum is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Wait, Iggy is worth a top 10 pick or a player picked in the top 10 of this years draft. . .

Instead, Magic got Aflalo at $7.5mil over 4 years and Harrington at $7 mil per over 3 years.

Oh yeh, a player drafted 15th in the draft.

Absolutely Epic Fail!

who cares about any of those players if ownership decided they wanted to go into a rebuilding process? those two players doesn't help that at all......Contrary to believe Affalo and Harrington can be moved.....i swear man people are acting like there was any situation where we could of been 100% happy.....not everyone is going to be happy no matter we did or what other deals we took.....

Ok. Maybe I am not explaining myself clearly enough. I am not saying the Magic or their fans wanted those players. But, they could have gotten value back worthy of an Iggy and Bynum. Instead, the Magic got hosed with longer term contracts than what they sent out and a player worth 15th pick in the draft. Iggy or Bynum are worth more than that alone.

It is like the Magic wanted to hurt themselves in this trade instead of improve.

Worst trade I ever witnessed in Professional Sports history. I am embarrased for the Magic and our fans.

maybe that u witnessed but in History babe ruth being traded for cash was the worst or even the Hershal walker to Vikings deal(i mean they acquired 6 players and 12 picks for him).

[toquito]

WTF @ kingrobb and magicfan41

[BadMofoPimp]

I bet the Warriors would have traded

Harrison Barnes, Klay Thompson and Richard Jefferson (expiring for salary) for Dwight and JRich. Heck, give us Biedrins while you are at it.

Golden State would be all over that. Much better than Afflalo (4 year deal), Harrington (3 yr) and the 15th player taken in last years draft. Gimme a break. To the Lakers who stole Shaq!