The case for Jonathan Isaac

[fendilim]

Great prospect. But better if he deveops his offensive game

[prizm]

Of course.

I'm willing to give the kid a shot to see what he can do for the Magic. God knows we are overdue for a eventual turn around sooner or later.

I have wanted this guy since I saw him play. Has nothing to do with FSU, I watch college basketball mainly for the NBA prospects. FSU has never really been a basketball school. Isaac's ability, plus his incredible attitude are things that stood out to me. These are things that the Magic could use. Additionally, I believe he will become a lights out shooter. It is very tough to block his shot.

wow, do you remember the thread "how would you improve this team"? do you remember I said to draft isaac because this dude could be a scary dude and possibly the magic's go to scorer and you threw a hissy fit? I came out with a line-up and you called it a video game line up or something like that. saying he's gonna be a rookie sf who cant even create his own shot and how Isaac and Gordon on the floor together will be a gigantic fail...but now you're saying "of course" they can stay on the floor together?...wow. saying something like it'll be a huge lack of consistent shooting but now you're saying you believe he will become a lights out shooter?...wow. my line up consisted of a true rebuild line up and I told you lets give these guys 30+ minutes a game and let them grow together but you didn't wanna hear non of that...think, im sure you can remember this...wow.

[PennytoShaq]

I'm willing to give the kid a shot to see what he can do for the Magic. God knows we are overdue for a eventual turn around sooner or later.

I have wanted this guy since I saw him play. Has nothing to do with FSU, I watch college basketball mainly for the NBA prospects. FSU has never really been a basketball school. Isaac's ability, plus his incredible attitude are things that stood out to me. These are things that the Magic could use. Additionally, I believe he will become a lights out shooter. It is very tough to block his shot.

wow, do you remember the thread "how would you improve this team"? do you remember I said to draft isaac because this dude could be a scary dude and possibly the magic's go to scorer and you threw a hissy fit? I came out with a line-up and you called it a video game line up or something like that. saying he's gonna be a rookie sf who cant even create his own shot and how Isaac and Gordon on the floor together will be a gigantic fail...but now you're saying "of course" they can stay on the floor together?...wow. saying something like it'll be a huge lack of consistent shooting but now you're saying you believe he will become a lights out shooter?...wow. my line up consisted of a true rebuild line up and I told you lets give these guys 30+ minutes a game and let them grow together but you didn't wanna hear non of that...think, im sure you can remember this...wow.

Ahh..no. Isaac has been my favorite player this entire draft, and that's all easily documented. I would never "throw a hissy fit" about us drafting him. Sounds like you have me confused with your friend Pepe or just want to make things up to start an argument.

[tiderulz]

I have wanted this guy since I saw him play. Has nothing to do with FSU, I watch college basketball mainly for the NBA prospects. FSU has never really been a basketball school. Isaac's ability, plus his incredible attitude are things that stood out to me. These are things that the Magic could use. Additionally, I believe he will become a lights out shooter. It is very tough to block his shot.

wow, do you remember the thread "how would you improve this team"? do you remember I said to draft isaac because this dude could be a scary dude and possibly the magic's go to scorer and you threw a hissy fit? I came out with a line-up and you called it a video game line up or something like that. saying he's gonna be a rookie sf who cant even create his own shot and how Isaac and Gordon on the floor together will be a gigantic fail...but now you're saying "of course" they can stay on the floor together?...wow. saying something like it'll be a huge lack of consistent shooting but now you're saying you believe he will become a lights out shooter?...wow. my line up consisted of a true rebuild line up and I told you lets give these guys 30+ minutes a game and let them grow together but you didn't wanna hear non of that...think, im sure you can remember this...wow.

Ahh..no. Isaac has been my favorite player this entire draft, and that's all easily documented. I would never "throw a hissy fit" about us drafting him. Sounds like you have me confused with your friend Pepe or just want to make things up to start an argument.

yeah, i think Penny has been on the Isaac train for quite awhile now. maybe you have him confused with someone else

[PennytoShaq]

I'm willing to give the kid a shot to see what he can do for the Magic. God knows we are overdue for a eventual turn around sooner or later.

I have wanted this guy since I saw him play. Has nothing to do with FSU, I watch college basketball mainly for the NBA prospects. FSU has never really been a basketball school. Isaac's ability, plus his incredible attitude are things that stood out to me. These are things that the Magic could use. Additionally, I believe he will become a lights out shooter. It is very tough to block his shot.

wow, do you remember the thread "how would you improve this team"? do you remember I said to draft isaac because this dude could be a scary dude and possibly the magic's go to scorer and you threw a hissy fit? I came out with a line-up and you called it a video game line up or something like that. saying he's gonna be a rookie sf who cant even create his own shot and how Isaac and Gordon on the floor together will be a gigantic fail...but now you're saying "of course" they can stay on the floor together?...wow. saying something like it'll be a huge lack of consistent shooting but now you're saying you believe he will become a lights out shooter?...wow. my line up consisted of a true rebuild line up and I told you lets give these guys 30+ minutes a game and let them grow together but you didn't wanna hear non of that...think, im sure you can remember this...wow.

Actually, I see the post you are talking about. You took me out of context. We were talking about a lineup of Payton, Mario, Isaac, Gordon. I don't see that as being successful and that is what I was speaking on. I don't see Isaac instantly being a shot creator day 1, Payton and AG being shooters and Mario playing a staters level. It was not just about Isaac and Gordon, at least that is what I was saying.

Here is the actual quote - I was responding to his proposed lineup of

"Gordon
Isaac
biyombo
hezonja
payton"

If anyone sees how I am throwing a "hissy fit" in it, please let me know. I looked at his posts, and a lot are super reactionary and combative, so I guess he is just really thin skinned.

"Its pretty shabby. I love all those guys but none can create their own shot. Mario is playing better at PF as a result. You move him back to SG and it's a giant fail with Gordon and Isaac out there. Just a huge lack of consistent shooting. On paper, very fun to think about. In reality, it would be pretty bad. If we want that kind of lineup we need a guy like Teague (FA) at PG and Ross at SG with Mario playing the 6th man role."

I don't think the Magic are finished rebuilding this roster at all.

[prizm]

I have wanted this guy since I saw him play. Has nothing to do with FSU, I watch college basketball mainly for the NBA prospects. FSU has never really been a basketball school. Isaac's ability, plus his incredible attitude are things that stood out to me. These are things that the Magic could use. Additionally, I believe he will become a lights out shooter. It is very tough to block his shot.

wow, do you remember the thread "how would you improve this team"? do you remember I said to draft isaac because this dude could be a scary dude and possibly the magic's go to scorer and you threw a hissy fit? I came out with a line-up and you called it a video game line up or something like that. saying he's gonna be a rookie sf who cant even create his own shot and how Isaac and Gordon on the floor together will be a gigantic fail...but now you're saying "of course" they can stay on the floor together?...wow. saying something like it'll be a huge lack of consistent shooting but now you're saying you believe he will become a lights out shooter?...wow. my line up consisted of a true rebuild line up and I told you lets give these guys 30+ minutes a game and let them grow together but you didn't wanna hear non of that...think, im sure you can remember this...wow.

Ahh..no. Isaac has been my favorite player this entire draft, and that's all easily documented. I would never "throw a hissy fit" about us drafting him. Sounds like you have me confused with your friend Pepe or just want to make things up to start an argument.

first, i don't know who pepe is. and im not trying to start something petty it just irritates me when someone lies. in that thread you say its a giant fail with Gordon and isaac on the floor together but now you pull a switcheroo...thats how i remembered you. im not on here much and don't post much so i remember certain things when im here. i just checked that thread i told you about and everything i said was exactly as i remembered. it didn't sound like he was your fav player in the draft in that thread...

[prizm]

I have wanted this guy since I saw him play. Has nothing to do with FSU, I watch college basketball mainly for the NBA prospects. FSU has never really been a basketball school. Isaac's ability, plus his incredible attitude are things that stood out to me. These are things that the Magic could use. Additionally, I believe he will become a lights out shooter. It is very tough to block his shot.

wow, do you remember the thread "how would you improve this team"? do you remember I said to draft isaac because this dude could be a scary dude and possibly the magic's go to scorer and you threw a hissy fit? I came out with a line-up and you called it a video game line up or something like that. saying he's gonna be a rookie sf who cant even create his own shot and how Isaac and Gordon on the floor together will be a gigantic fail...but now you're saying "of course" they can stay on the floor together?...wow. saying something like it'll be a huge lack of consistent shooting but now you're saying you believe he will become a lights out shooter?...wow. my line up consisted of a true rebuild line up and I told you lets give these guys 30+ minutes a game and let them grow together but you didn't wanna hear non of that...think, im sure you can remember this...wow.

Actually, I see the post you are talking about. You took me out of context. We were talking about a lineup of Payton, Mario, Isaac, Gordon. I don't see that as being successful and that is what I was speaking on. I don't see Isaac instantly being a shot creator day 1, Payton and AG being shooters and Mario playing a staters level. It was not just about Isaac and Gordon, at least that is what I was saying.

Here is the actual quote - I was responding to his proposed lineup of

"Gordon
Isaac
biyombo
hezonja
payton"

If anyone sees how I am throwing a "hissy fit" in it, please let me know. I looked at his posts, and a lot are super reactionary and combative, so I guess he is just really thin skinned.

"Its pretty shabby. I love all those guys but none can create their own shot. Mario is playing better at PF as a result. You move him back to SG and it's a giant fail with Gordon and Isaac out there. Just a huge lack of consistent shooting. On paper, very fun to think about. In reality, it would be pretty bad. If we want that kind of lineup we need a guy like Teague (FA) at PG and Ross at SG with Mario playing the 6th man role."

I don't think the Magic are finished rebuilding this roster at all.

yea, now i def remember you. when someone doesn't agree with your opinion you call them thin skinned and reactionary. you need to stop this. everyone has opinions...yours is not superior to others.

yea, there's your quote...exactly like i remembered.

edit- come on dude no need to use the out of context line...people always use the out of context line. im sure it was you that tried to over ride other peoples opinions in threads...so now as you claim Isaac has always been your fav in the draft you needed to let it be known to try to over ride my opinion to the point you down grade your fav draftee in that thread...my opinion i said to do a true rebuild around that line up...i def remember you throwing your opinion around in threads as if it were the final say. you gotta chill with that type of attitude.

[PennytoShaq]

wow, do you remember the thread "how would you improve this team"? do you remember I said to draft isaac because this dude could be a scary dude and possibly the magic's go to scorer and you threw a hissy fit? I came out with a line-up and you called it a video game line up or something like that. saying he's gonna be a rookie sf who cant even create his own shot and how Isaac and Gordon on the floor together will be a gigantic fail...but now you're saying "of course" they can stay on the floor together?...wow. saying something like it'll be a huge lack of consistent shooting but now you're saying you believe he will become a lights out shooter?...wow. my line up consisted of a true rebuild line up and I told you lets give these guys 30+ minutes a game and let them grow together but you didn't wanna hear non of that...think, im sure you can remember this...wow.

Actually, I see the post you are talking about. You took me out of context. We were talking about a lineup of Payton, Mario, Isaac, Gordon. I don't see that as being successful and that is what I was speaking on. I don't see Isaac instantly being a shot creator day 1, Payton and AG being shooters and Mario playing a staters level. It was not just about Isaac and Gordon, at least that is what I was saying.

Here is the actual quote - I was responding to his proposed lineup of

"Gordon
Isaac
biyombo
hezonja
payton"

If anyone sees how I am throwing a "hissy fit" in it, please let me know. I looked at his posts, and a lot are super reactionary and combative, so I guess he is just really thin skinned.

"Its pretty shabby. I love all those guys but none can create their own shot. Mario is playing better at PF as a result. You move him back to SG and it's a giant fail with Gordon and Isaac out there. Just a huge lack of consistent shooting. On paper, very fun to think about. In reality, it would be pretty bad. If we want that kind of lineup we need a guy like Teague (FA) at PG and Ross at SG with Mario playing the 6th man role."

I don't think the Magic are finished rebuilding this roster at all.

yea, now i def remember you. when someone doesn't agree with your opinion you call them thin skinned and reactionary. you need to stop this. everyone has opinions...yours is not superior to others.

yea, there's your quote...exactly like i remembered.

Is it? You claimed I threw a hissy fit and completely took everything out of context. I think you are over reacting because I didn't like the starting 5 you proposed. Has nothing to do with my thoughts on Isaac. Basketball is a team sport.

[PennytoShaq]

wow, do you remember the thread "how would you improve this team"? do you remember I said to draft isaac because this dude could be a scary dude and possibly the magic's go to scorer and you threw a hissy fit? I came out with a line-up and you called it a video game line up or something like that. saying he's gonna be a rookie sf who cant even create his own shot and how Isaac and Gordon on the floor together will be a gigantic fail...but now you're saying "of course" they can stay on the floor together?...wow. saying something like it'll be a huge lack of consistent shooting but now you're saying you believe he will become a lights out shooter?...wow. my line up consisted of a true rebuild line up and I told you lets give these guys 30+ minutes a game and let them grow together but you didn't wanna hear non of that...think, im sure you can remember this...wow.

Ahh..no. Isaac has been my favorite player this entire draft, and that's all easily documented. I would never "throw a hissy fit" about us drafting him. Sounds like you have me confused with your friend Pepe or just want to make things up to start an argument.

first, i don't know who pepe is. and im not trying to start something petty it just irritates me when someone lies. in that thread you say its a giant fail with Gordon and isaac on the floor together but now you pull a switcheroo...thats how i remembered you. im not on here much and don't post much so i remember certain things when im here. i just checked that thread i told you about and everything i said was exactly as i remembered. it didn't sound like he was your fav player in the draft in that thread...

Nope, that's not what I said. I said the entire lineup as a whole is a giant fail and you are hyperfocused on two guys because you want to start an argument. Let's be honest, that's not going to be a good lineup and everyone knows that, including you. Maybe in 3 years if we got lucky. In fact in that thread, I proposed how I would change that lineup and I kept Isaac and Gordon in it. So you really don't have a point here.

[prizm]

Actually, I see the post you are talking about. You took me out of context. We were talking about a lineup of Payton, Mario, Isaac, Gordon. I don't see that as being successful and that is what I was speaking on. I don't see Isaac instantly being a shot creator day 1, Payton and AG being shooters and Mario playing a staters level. It was not just about Isaac and Gordon, at least that is what I was saying.

Here is the actual quote - I was responding to his proposed lineup of

"Gordon
Isaac
biyombo
hezonja
payton"

If anyone sees how I am throwing a "hissy fit" in it, please let me know. I looked at his posts, and a lot are super reactionary and combative, so I guess he is just really thin skinned.

"Its pretty shabby. I love all those guys but none can create their own shot. Mario is playing better at PF as a result. You move him back to SG and it's a giant fail with Gordon and Isaac out there. Just a huge lack of consistent shooting. On paper, very fun to think about. In reality, it would be pretty bad. If we want that kind of lineup we need a guy like Teague (FA) at PG and Ross at SG with Mario playing the 6th man role."

I don't think the Magic are finished rebuilding this roster at all.

yea, now i def remember you. when someone doesn't agree with your opinion you call them thin skinned and reactionary. you need to stop this. everyone has opinions...yours is not superior to others.

yea, there's your quote...exactly like i remembered.

Is it? You claimed I threw a hissy fit and completely took everything out of context. I think you are over reacting because I didn't like the starting 5 you proposed. Has nothing to do with my thoughts on Isaac. Basketball is a team sport.

no, everyone has their own right for whatever line up they want to have. it would be really boring and arrogant of me if i say my line up is the final say. but the fact that i said lets let these guys grow together and build around them but you didn't want non of that...which is fine but don't think whats on your mind is the law. i noticed this is your attitude in threads.

[PennytoShaq]

yea, now i def remember you. when someone doesn't agree with your opinion you call them thin skinned and reactionary. you need to stop this. everyone has opinions...yours is not superior to others.

yea, there's your quote...exactly like i remembered.

Is it? You claimed I threw a hissy fit and completely took everything out of context. I think you are over reacting because I didn't like the starting 5 you proposed. Has nothing to do with my thoughts on Isaac. Basketball is a team sport.

no, everyone has their own right for whatever line up they want to have. it would be really boring and arrogant of me if i say my line up is the final say. but the fact that i said lets let these guys grow together and build around them but you didn't want non of that...which is fine but don't think whats on your mind is the law. i noticed this is your attitude in threads.

Again, this is out of context. I did not want that proposed starting 5 to grow together. Not Isaac and Gordon. It's very clear in the thread, so I am not sure why you continue to argue this. Anyone can read what I said. The entire thread was opinion on next moves, so I commented on yours. Sorry that got you so upset, but I assure you that I never was.

[prizm]

Ahh..no. Isaac has been my favorite player this entire draft, and that's all easily documented. I would never "throw a hissy fit" about us drafting him. Sounds like you have me confused with your friend Pepe or just want to make things up to start an argument.

first, i don't know who pepe is. and im not trying to start something petty it just irritates me when someone lies. in that thread you say its a giant fail with Gordon and isaac on the floor together but now you pull a switcheroo...thats how i remembered you. im not on here much and don't post much so i remember certain things when im here. i just checked that thread i told you about and everything i said was exactly as i remembered. it didn't sound like he was your fav player in the draft in that thread...

Nope, that's not what I said. I said the entire lineup as a whole is a giant fail and you are hyperfocused on two guys because you want to start an argument. Let's be honest, that's not going to be a good lineup and everyone knows that, including you. Maybe in 3 years if we got lucky. In fact in that thread, I proposed how I would change that lineup and I kept Isaac and Gordon in it. So you really don't have a point here.

come on man...just stop it. your one of those people that play the classic "everyone knows this/that, including you" line. dude in my job the couple people i debate basketball with use that very line you just said. to try to make you into believe what you believe. how old are you?

[PennytoShaq]

first, i don't know who pepe is. and im not trying to start something petty it just irritates me when someone lies. in that thread you say its a giant fail with Gordon and isaac on the floor together but now you pull a switcheroo...thats how i remembered you. im not on here much and don't post much so i remember certain things when im here. i just checked that thread i told you about and everything i said was exactly as i remembered. it didn't sound like he was your fav player in the draft in that thread...

Nope, that's not what I said. I said the entire lineup as a whole is a giant fail and you are hyperfocused on two guys because you want to start an argument. Let's be honest, that's not going to be a good lineup and everyone knows that, including you. Maybe in 3 years if we got lucky. In fact in that thread, I proposed how I would change that lineup and I kept Isaac and Gordon in it. So you really don't have a point here.

come on man...just stop it. your one of those people that play the classic "everyone knows this/that, including you" line. dude in my job the couple people i debate basketball with use that very line you just said. to try to make you into believe what you believe. how old are you?

What does age or your job have to do with it? The post and thread is easily read by anyone and easily seen that you misread these two things :

I did not comment on just isaac and Gordon
I was not upset or throwing a "hissy fit"

Case closed. Let it go.

[prizm]

Is it? You claimed I threw a hissy fit and completely took everything out of context. I think you are over reacting because I didn't like the starting 5 you proposed. Has nothing to do with my thoughts on Isaac. Basketball is a team sport.

no, everyone has their own right for whatever line up they want to have. it would be really boring and arrogant of me if i say my line up is the final say. but the fact that i said lets let these guys grow together and build around them but you didn't want non of that...which is fine but don't think whats on your mind is the law. i noticed this is your attitude in threads.

Again, this is out of context. I did not want that proposed starting 5 to grow together. Not Isaac and Gordon. It's very clear in the thread, so I am not sure why you continue to argue this. Anyone can read what I said. The entire thread was opinion on next moves, so I commented on yours. Sorry that got you so upset, but I assure you that I never was.

the thing is i don't get upset over other peoples opinion. i say my opinion and let others have theirs and go from there. but what you seem to do is think that your opinion is a fact. you need to chill with that type of mindset. and its not just from that thread i remember you from few other threads from your arrogance.

[prizm]

Nope, that's not what I said. I said the entire lineup as a whole is a giant fail and you are hyperfocused on two guys because you want to start an argument. Let's be honest, that's not going to be a good lineup and everyone knows that, including you. Maybe in 3 years if we got lucky. In fact in that thread, I proposed how I would change that lineup and I kept Isaac and Gordon in it. So you really don't have a point here.

come on man...just stop it. your one of those people that play the classic "everyone knows this/that, including you" line. dude in my job the couple people i debate basketball with use that very line you just said. to try to make you into believe what you believe. how old are you?

What does age or your job have to do with it? The post and thread is easily read by anyone and easily seen that you misread these two things :

I did not comment on just isaac and Gordon
I was not upset or throwing a "hissy fit"

Case closed. Let it go.

im curious...how old are you?

[PennytoShaq]

no, everyone has their own right for whatever line up they want to have. it would be really boring and arrogant of me if i say my line up is the final say. but the fact that i said lets let these guys grow together and build around them but you didn't want non of that...which is fine but don't think whats on your mind is the law. i noticed this is your attitude in threads.

Again, this is out of context. I did not want that proposed starting 5 to grow together. Not Isaac and Gordon. It's very clear in the thread, so I am not sure why you continue to argue this. Anyone can read what I said. The entire thread was opinion on next moves, so I commented on yours. Sorry that got you so upset, but I assure you that I never was.

the thing is i don't get upset over other peoples opinion. i say my opinion and let others have theirs and go from there. but what you seem to do is think that your opinion is a fact. you need to chill with type of mindset. and its not just from that thread i remember you from few other threads from your arrogance.

Ok so this is not about my thoughts on Isaac, this is some kind of personal thing. Well when I went to look at your posts to find what you were talking about, more than half were riddled with you having heated arguments with other posters, asking them their ages..etc, so I don't really hold your opinion of me that high. Thanks, and take care.

[prizm]

Again, this is out of context. I did not want that proposed starting 5 to grow together. Not Isaac and Gordon. It's very clear in the thread, so I am not sure why you continue to argue this. Anyone can read what I said. The entire thread was opinion on next moves, so I commented on yours. Sorry that got you so upset, but I assure you that I never was.

the thing is i don't get upset over other peoples opinion. i say my opinion and let others have theirs and go from there. but what you seem to do is think that your opinion is a fact. you need to chill with type of mindset. and its not just from that thread i remember you from few other threads from your arrogance.

Ok so this is not about my thoughts on Isaac, this is some kind of personal thing. Well when I went to look at your posts to find what you were talking about, more than half were riddled with you having arguments with other posters, so I don't really hold your opinion of me that high. Thanks, and take care.

i just wanted to point out the switcheroo you tried to pull. do you see how you substitute debating as "arguments" that's basically saying you gotta make sure you come out on top and taking things personal. i debate but you seem to argue.

[PennytoShaq]

the thing is i don't get upset over other peoples opinion. i say my opinion and let others have theirs and go from there. but what you seem to do is think that your opinion is a fact. you need to chill with type of mindset. and its not just from that thread i remember you from few other threads from your arrogance.

Ok so this is not about my thoughts on Isaac, this is some kind of personal thing. Well when I went to look at your posts to find what you were talking about, more than half were riddled with you having arguments with other posters, so I don't really hold your opinion of me that high. Thanks, and take care.

i just wanted to point out the switcheroo you tried to pull. do you see how you substitute debating as "arguments" that's basically saying you gotta make sure you come out on top and taking things personal. i debate but you seem to argue.

Your post history, plus how you started in on me in this very thread suggests otherwise. Just put me on ignore and I will do the same. Thanks.

[prizm]

Ok so this is not about my thoughts on Isaac, this is some kind of personal thing. Well when I went to look at your posts to find what you were talking about, more than half were riddled with you having arguments with other posters, so I don't really hold your opinion of me that high. Thanks, and take care.

i just wanted to point out the switcheroo you tried to pull. do you see how you substitute debating as "arguments" that's basically saying you gotta make sure you come out on top and taking things personal. i debate but you seem to argue.

Your post history, plus how you started in on me in this very thread suggests otherwise. Just put me on ignore and I will do the same. Thanks.

i just remembered you from the arrogance you throw around in threads...also if my memory serves me correct... there was another thread when i spoke highly of Isaac then you burst in on me saying that you go to fsu and how you saw enough of him and that Orlando shouldn't draft him. so if you were on his hype train and then to tell me that... if anything it seems you got something personal against me. i have no clue what i did to you for you to hold some grudge...maybe i said you never saw penny and shaq play together?... but i will agree with you we should just put one another on the ignore list.

[PennytoShaq]

I have never once said the Magic should not draft Isaac. Never. That thread does not exist, and you will never produce evidence of that. This is not about memory, it is about the fact that you have made less than 100 posts that are easily searchable and prove that what you just stated was completely made up and false.

Just stop with this nonsense - ignored.