When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

p0peye · Post #681 » by **p0peye** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:21 am

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
p0peye wrote:At the moment Isaac has no trade value as he will not clear medical and at this point it might well be questionable if he ever will be able to.

How did Bol clear medical?

What was his trade value?

drsd · Post #682 » by **drsd** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 8:58 am

p0peye wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
p0peye wrote:At the moment Isaac has no trade value as he will not clear medical and at this point it might well be questionable if he ever will be able to.

How did Bol clear medical?

What was his trade value?

Cash considerations has got game! The upside is there !!!!!

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jezzerinho · Post #683 » by **jezzerinho** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:07 am

drsd wrote:
p0peye wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:How did Bol clear medical?

What was his trade value?

Cash considerations has got game! The upside is there !!!!!

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I foresee a devastating 2-man game with TPE!!!

drsd · Post #684 » by **drsd** » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:26 am

jezzerinho wrote:
drsd wrote:
p0peye wrote:
What was his trade value?

Cash considerations has got game! The upside is there !!!!!

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I foresee a devastating 2-man game with TPE!!!

TPE was traded for Cash considerations, and I think there is a 1-year window on resigning a traded player.

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davey_wavy · Post #685 » by **davey_wavy** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:52 am

Does it even matter? Guy wouldn't be able to play in certain cities because of vaxx rules. I think he's done here. Magic will trade him, we don't need part time players

cedric76 · Post #686 » by **cedric76** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:44 am

davey_wavy wrote:Does it even matter? Guy wouldn't be able to play in certain cities because of vaxx rules. I think he's done here. Magic will trade him, we don't need part time players

Actually we need people who have high IQ, and Ji just proved that he is one of the brightest people on our team

He needs to stay

pepe1991 · Post #687 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:18 am

jezzerinho wrote:
drsd wrote:
p0peye wrote:
What was his trade value?

Cash considerations has got game! The upside is there !!!!!

..

I foresee a devastating 2-man game with TPE!!!

I laughed too hard on this :lol:

ORLMagicGirl15 · Post #688 » by **ORLMagicGirl15** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:23 am

davey_wavy wrote:Does it even matter? Guy wouldn't be able to play in certain cities because of vaxx rules. I think he's done here. Magic will trade him, we don't need part time players

I have no idea if you’ve watched our team at all this season but we most certainly do need his defense. And if I recall, Canada would be the only place he would not be able to play.

As for not needing “part time players”, we’ve had 4 players on the injury list that has yet to play a game (two of which has been let go unfortunately), and tons of bench players that have racked up DNPs for no reason. Our team is mostly made up of part time players.

basketballRob · Post #689 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:56 am

davey_wavy wrote:Does it even matter? Guy wouldn't be able to play in certain cities because of vaxx rules. I think he's done here. Magic will trade him, we don't need part time players

Canada would be the only place he couldn't play.

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Magic_Kingdom · Post #690 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:10 pm

It would take a desperate team to trade for Isaac, and the Magic would most likely be exchanging one problem for another. The Mavs traded for Porzingis when he was injured, and although he put up some good numbers when healthy he couldn't stay healthy. This year they dumped him for peanuts. That's why it's crazy for people to keep saying "when Isaac is healthy" or plugging him into fictional starting lineups. I'm not aware of much precedent for a player being out this long and injured this much and returning to be productive. Isaac is Greg Oden, Porzingis, Zion, Anthony Davis, and every other big man with repeated and prolonged lower extremity injuries.

basketballRob · Post #691 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:44 pm

Magic_Kingdom wrote:It would take a desperate team to trade for Isaac, and the Magic would most likely be exchanging one problem for another. The Mavs traded for Porzingis when he was injured, and although he put up some good numbers when healthy he couldn't stay healthy. This year they dumped him for peanuts. That's why it's crazy for people to keep saying "when Isaac is healthy" or plugging him into fictional starting lineups. I'm not aware of much precedent for a player being out this long and injured this much and returning to be productive. Isaac is Greg Oden, Porzingis, Zion, Anthony Davis, and every other big man with repeated and prolonged lower extremity injuries.

Only Embiid and Zydrunas off the top of my head. Zydrunas played 29 games in a 3 year span and went on to have a good career. Klay Thompson looks okay this season. Durant looked okay after playing 35 games in a 2 year span.

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yoyojw17 · Post #692 » by **yoyojw17** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:07 pm

Hope he comes back and turns around the outlook of this board.

pepe1991 · Post #693 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:17 pm

basketballRob wrote:
Magic_Kingdom wrote:It would take a desperate team to trade for Isaac, and the Magic would most likely be exchanging one problem for another. The Mavs traded for Porzingis when he was injured, and although he put up some good numbers when healthy he couldn't stay healthy. This year they dumped him for peanuts. That's why it's crazy for people to keep saying "when Isaac is healthy" or plugging him into fictional starting lineups. I'm not aware of much precedent for a player being out this long and injured this much and returning to be productive. Isaac is Greg Oden, Porzingis, Zion, Anthony Davis, and every other big man with repeated and prolonged lower extremity injuries.
Only Embiid and Zydrunas off the top of my head. Zydrunas played 29 games in a 3 year span and went on to have a good career. Klay Thompson looks okay this season. Durant looked okay after playing 35 games in a 2 year span.

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Both of them had foot injuries, not knee injuries. On other hand Porzingis, same bild, similar age when first injury happend is probably more realistic scenario.

basketballRob · Post #694 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:23 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
Magic_Kingdom wrote:It would take a desperate team to trade for Isaac, and the Magic would most likely be exchanging one problem for another. The Mavs traded for Porzingis when he was injured, and although he put up some good numbers when healthy he couldn't stay healthy. This year they dumped him for peanuts. That's why it's crazy for people to keep saying "when Isaac is healthy" or plugging him into fictional starting lineups. I'm not aware of much precedent for a player being out this long and injured this much and returning to be productive. Isaac is Greg Oden, Porzingis, Zion, Anthony Davis, and every other big man with repeated and prolonged lower extremity injuries.
Only Embiid and Zydrunas off the top of my head. Zydrunas played 29 games in a 3 year span and went on to have a good career. Klay Thompson looks okay this season. Durant looked okay after playing 35 games in a 2 year span.

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Both of them had foot injuries, not knee injuries. On other hand Porzingis, same bild, similar age when first injury happend is probably more realistic scenario.

Maybe the additional recovery time they're giving to Isaac might help him fully recover instead of having permanent lingering issues like Porzingas after coming back quickly.

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pepe1991 · Post #695 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 4:39 pm

basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Only Embiid and Zydrunas off the top of my head. Zydrunas played 29 games in a 3 year span and went on to have a good career. Klay Thompson looks okay this season. Durant looked okay after playing 35 games in a 2 year span.

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Both of them had foot injuries, not knee injuries. On other hand Porzingis, same bild, similar age when first injury happend is probably more realistic scenario.
Maybe the additional recovery time they're giving to Isaac might help him fully recover instead of having permanent lingering issues like Porzingas after coming back quickly.

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Porzingis didn't come back quickly.
Zingis was out from early February 2018 until late October of 2019.

Isaac can get hurt in first 5 min of next time he plays. Literally that is execlly how he torned ACL after recovering waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than he should from previous knee injury ( hypexerstended knee injury that required 4 weeks but took him 8 months).
My best bet is that he has some serious knee issues that are not reported to mass media. Much like Bol had and Nuggets didn't want to publish it, rather tried to get rid of him until Detroit runned his medical and found out he is broken.

basketballRob · Post #696 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 5:02 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Both of them had foot injuries, not knee injuries. On other hand Porzingis, same bild, similar age when first injury happend is probably more realistic scenario.
Maybe the additional recovery time they're giving to Isaac might help him fully recover instead of having permanent lingering issues like Porzingas after coming back quickly.

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Porzingis didn't come back quickly.
Zingis was out from early February 2018 until late October of 2019.

Isaac can get hurt in first 5 min of next time he plays. Literally that is execlly how he torned ACL after recovering waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than he should from previous knee injury ( hypexerstended knee injury that required 4 weeks but took him 8 months).
My best bet is that he has some serious knee issues that are not reported to mass media. Much like Bol had and Nuggets didn't want to publish it, rather tried to get rid of him until Detroit runned his medical and found out he is broken.

Either that or we're tanking and feel we may as well give him extra time to rehabilitate.

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tiderulz · Post #697 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:01 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Both of them had foot injuries, not knee injuries. On other hand Porzingis, same bild, similar age when first injury happend is probably more realistic scenario.
Maybe the additional recovery time they're giving to Isaac might help him fully recover instead of having permanent lingering issues like Porzingas after coming back quickly.

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Porzingis didn't come back quickly.
Zingis was out from early February 2018 until late October of 2019.

Isaac can get hurt in first 5 min of next time he plays. Literally that is execlly how he torned ACL after recovering waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than he should from previous knee injury ( hypexerstended knee injury that required 4 weeks but took him 8 months).
My best bet is that he has some serious knee issues that are not reported to mass media. Much like Bol had and Nuggets didn't want to publish it, rather tried to get rid of him until Detroit runned his medical and found out he is broken.

if he does have serious knee issues, why hasnt the team invoked the injury clause in his contract?

Magic_Kingdom · Post #698 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:21 pm

I could be wrong on this but I think the contract is fully guaranteed the first 2 years, and the injury Clause allows them to void years 3 and 4 if they waive him before year 3.

pepe1991 · Post #699 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 6:33 pm

tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Maybe the additional recovery time they're giving to Isaac might help him fully recover instead of having permanent lingering issues like Porzingas after coming back quickly.

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Porzingis didn't come back quickly.
Zingis was out from early February 2018 until late October of 2019.

Isaac can get hurt in first 5 min of next time he plays. Literally that is execlly how he torned ACL after recovering waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than he should from previous knee injury ( hypexerstended knee injury that required 4 weeks but took him 8 months).
My best bet is that he has some serious knee issues that are not reported to mass media. Much like Bol had and Nuggets didn't want to publish it, rather tried to get rid of him until Detroit runned his medical and found out he is broken.

if he does have serious knee issues, why hasnt the team invoked the injury clause in his contract?

They resigned him injuried also cutting money from injuried player is awful PR. Teams in past (Dallas with JJ Barea) did things to their players to help them make more money.
If he does not have serious knee issues he would not sit 2 and half years in a row with knee injuries.

tiderulz · Post #700 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Feb 18, 2022 8:11 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Porzingis didn't come back quickly.
Zingis was out from early February 2018 until late October of 2019.

Isaac can get hurt in first 5 min of next time he plays. Literally that is execlly how he torned ACL after recovering waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay longer than he should from previous knee injury ( hypexerstended knee injury that required 4 weeks but took him 8 months).
My best bet is that he has some serious knee issues that are not reported to mass media. Much like Bol had and Nuggets didn't want to publish it, rather tried to get rid of him until Detroit runned his medical and found out he is broken.

if he does have serious knee issues, why hasnt the team invoked the injury clause in his contract?

They resigned him injuried also cutting money from injuried player is awful PR. Teams in past (Dallas with JJ Barea) did things to their players to help them make more money.
If he does not have serious knee issues he would not sit 2 and half years in a row with knee injuries.

i agree he cant be healthy and be sitting this long. But they put in that clause. something strange is going on