2022-2023 Magic Trade and Free Agency Idea Thread III

[basketballRob]

He'd be a perfect fit. From a Championship level team being the veteran piece for Magic. I like it. And probably not that expensive either

I've actually seen Celtics fans floating Grant and a future pick for Wendell.

I think you offer Grant a front-loaded deal starting around $14-15m, and if the Celtics match, then look elsewhere.

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No way I trade Wendell

A lot of delusional fans think they can offer us backups for Wendell. I've also seen Poole floated for him and the 10th pick.

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[JoshuaPotter]

I find that strange. Wendell isn't the best, but also far from the worst. Coming from a then all-star Vooch. I don't feel like we lost much.

[basketballRob]

I find that strange. Wendell isn't the best, but also far from the worst. Coming from a then all-star Vooch. I don't feel like we lost much.

He defends better than Ayton. Ayton got torched by Jokic in the playoffs, and Wendell always plays him tough. I remember Malone saying that, too.

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[pepe1991]

I find that strange. Wendell isn't the best, but also far from the worst. Coming from a then all-star Vooch. I don't feel like we lost much.

He defends better than Ayton. Ayton got torched by Jokic in the playoffs, and Wendell always plays him tough. I remember Malone saying that, too.

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Over 8 games they played, Nikola Jokic has averaged 25.3 points, 12.8 rebounds and 9.6 assists against Wendell.

Wendell averages 15 ppg, 7 rpg, 3 apg against him.

Jokic has +/- of +69. Wendell -48

Matchup for matchup Wendell is no upgrade over Ayton at C to defend Jokic whatsoever. only difference is that one has to face him 4 times a year, + playoffs and other faced him 8 times in 5 seasons.

[Skybox]

I find that strange. Wendell isn't the best, but also far from the worst. Coming from a then all-star Vooch. I don't feel like we lost much.

He defends better than Ayton. Ayton got torched by Jokic in the playoffs, and Wendell always plays him tough. I remember Malone saying that, too.

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Over 8 games they played, Nikola Jokic has averaged 25.3 points, 12.8 rebounds and 9.6 assists against Wendell.

Wendell averages 15 ppg, 7 rpg, 3 apg against him.

Jokic has +/- of +69. Wendell -48

Matchup for matchup Wendell is no upgrade over Ayton at C to defend Jokic whatsoever. only difference is that one has to face him 4 times a year, + playoffs and other faced him 8 times in 5 seasons.

Ayton's not a great defender, but he's a huge dude and I'd take my chances on his physicality being the best hope to even slow down Jokic. WCJ is a good defender, but undersized, which becomes compounded by Jokic's size and court vision. IF Ayton buys in to the Bill Russell role (like Dwight never would), he could have a renaissance in PHO (at least his trade value).

[jonbob17]

I find that strange. Wendell isn't the best, but also far from the worst. Coming from a then all-star Vooch. I don't feel like we lost much.

I think the question is: Is Wendell going to win us games, especially when it counts in the playoffs. Almost every trade scenario proposed is, yes Magic fans want this good player, but no we are not willing to trade Franz, Paolo, or Suggs, for that player.

WCJ is a fine player, on a good deal, and he has value, but he is someone that we could conceivably move. Of course we are not going to give him away....Poole for WCJ straight up seems like an over pay to me. But there are guys i want on this Magic team, and you have to trade something to get something.

Ultimately the league still devaules the average center. Not sure we can get proper value, and in that case you just keep him.

[tiderulz]

I find that strange. Wendell isn't the best, but also far from the worst. Coming from a then all-star Vooch. I don't feel like we lost much.

I think the question is: Is Wendell going to win us games, especially when it counts in the playoffs. Almost every trade scenario proposed is, yes Magic fans want this good player, but no we are not willing to trade Franz, Paolo, or Suggs, for that player.

WCJ is a fine player, on a good deal, and he has value, but he is someone that we could conceivably move. Of course we are not going to give him away....Poole for WCJ straight up seems like an over pay to me. But there are guys i want on this Magic team, and you have to trade something to get something.

Ultimately the league still devaules the average center. Not sure we can get proper value, and in that case you just keep him.

I agree. i like WCJ, on a great contract, but his ceiling seems lower and is a player that is moveable for upgrades.

[MasterGMer]

He defends better than Ayton. Ayton got torched by Jokic in the playoffs, and Wendell always plays him tough. I remember Malone saying that, too.

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Over 8 games they played, Nikola Jokic has averaged 25.3 points, 12.8 rebounds and 9.6 assists against Wendell.

Wendell averages 15 ppg, 7 rpg, 3 apg against him.

Jokic has +/- of +69. Wendell -48

Matchup for matchup Wendell is no upgrade over Ayton at C to defend Jokic whatsoever. only difference is that one has to face him 4 times a year, + playoffs and other faced him 8 times in 5 seasons.

Ayton's not a great defender, but he's a huge dude and I'd take my chances on his physicality being the best hope to even slow down Jokic. WCJ is a good defender, but undersized, which becomes compounded by Jokic's size and court vision. IF Ayton buys in to the Bill Russell role (like Dwight never would), he could have a renaissance in PHO (at least his trade value).

But look at Ayton's contract...

[pepe1991]

Over 8 games they played, Nikola Jokic has averaged 25.3 points, 12.8 rebounds and 9.6 assists against Wendell.

Wendell averages 15 ppg, 7 rpg, 3 apg against him.

Jokic has +/- of +69. Wendell -48

Matchup for matchup Wendell is no upgrade over Ayton at C to defend Jokic whatsoever. only difference is that one has to face him 4 times a year, + playoffs and other faced him 8 times in 5 seasons.

Ayton's not a great defender, but he's a huge dude and I'd take my chances on his physicality being the best hope to even slow down Jokic. WCJ is a good defender, but undersized, which becomes compounded by Jokic's size and court vision. IF Ayton buys in to the Bill Russell role (like Dwight never would), he could have a renaissance in PHO (at least his trade value).

But look at Ayton's contract...

yea, terrible. That's that contender's bloated salaries crap-cap.
They didn't offer him that money, it's Indiana who did ,they matched it to not lose former 1# pick for nothing, expecting they can easy trade him later. And it looks like he ain't that tradable.

[Skybox]

Over 8 games they played, Nikola Jokic has averaged 25.3 points, 12.8 rebounds and 9.6 assists against Wendell.

Wendell averages 15 ppg, 7 rpg, 3 apg against him.

Jokic has +/- of +69. Wendell -48

Matchup for matchup Wendell is no upgrade over Ayton at C to defend Jokic whatsoever. only difference is that one has to face him 4 times a year, + playoffs and other faced him 8 times in 5 seasons.

Ayton's not a great defender, but he's a huge dude and I'd take my chances on his physicality being the best hope to even slow down Jokic. WCJ is a good defender, but undersized, which becomes compounded by Jokic's size and court vision. IF Ayton buys in to the Bill Russell role (like Dwight never would), he could have a renaissance in PHO (at least his trade value).

But look at Ayton's contract...

Agree. I probably wouldn’t trade them straight up - due largely to the deal…but the talk about WCJ being the better defensive neutralizer (of Jokic-types) is getting a little gassy. Ayton’s upside is astronomical if he’d get his head back on straight. This isn’t a Bamba situation. I think after Ayton gets moved, he’ll likely have a resurgence…just not a need for ORL to get involved…we need less versatility but more of a specialist at C (if anything). Ayton, despite his size and dexterity, doesn’t outdo WCJ in what we need- rebound & block shots. Ayton wants to score like Embiid and the more typical modern C role is more like Claxton.

[JBSouthpaw]

I find that strange. Wendell isn't the best, but also far from the worst. Coming from a then all-star Vooch. I don't feel like we lost much.

He defends better than Ayton. Ayton got torched by Jokic in the playoffs, and Wendell always plays him tough. I remember Malone saying that, too.

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Over 8 games they played, Nikola Jokic has averaged 25.3 points, 12.8 rebounds and 9.6 assists against Wendell.

Wendell averages 15 ppg, 7 rpg, 3 apg against him.

Jokic has +/- of +69. Wendell -48

Matchup for matchup Wendell is no upgrade over Ayton at C to defend Jokic whatsoever. only difference is that one has to face him 4 times a year, + playoffs and other faced him 8 times in 5 seasons.

Jokic averaged 24.5 pts, 11.8 Rebs and 9.8 Assists, So Wendell was pretty much the definition of "average" against him.
I also looked at this year and last year's games, He averaged 36mpg against the Magic, 3 more minutes per game than his season average. SO, it took him more minutes to get his season averages.

[basketballRob]

The year before last, Wendell probably won the battle. We won this game, and the other one, Jokic, was 10-26.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202112010ORL.html


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[Skybox]

I'm as big a Suggs fan as anyone here...but, if we draft Ausar - isn't he a bigger Suggs right out of the gate?

I've basically considered Suggs close to untouchable, but IF we draft Ausar at #6...couldn't Suggs bring back a decent haul to a team with patience? I have a hard time even pondering it, but Suggs is kind of in limbo...not a serious starter (yet?) at either spot, but flashes of greatness.

Suggs to WAS for Kispert and Gafford comes to mind...instant bench depth, including shooting and rim protection (our needs)

Suggs & Cole to SAS for Vassell and Birch...is this close? Pop would love Suggs and need a PG

Suggs, Chuma & DEN 25 frp to POR for Simons and #23 (Suggs a very nice backcourt complement to Dame, or Sharpe long-term)

Suggs, Harris, ORL 24 frp(top 3), DEN 25 frp & #11 to ATL for DeJounte Murray, AJ Griffin & #15...Suggs might be perfect young complement to Trae in ATL backcourt. Murray and Banchero are homeboys...Fultz can be moved or waived. I LOVE this one.

[MasterGMer]

What if we trade 6th and 11th plus Suggs and Gary for Mikal Bridges? He'd fit perfectly here with height and he is the most durable player in the league. I hope we make some move or two on draft night

[yoyojw17]

I'm as big a Suggs fan as anyone here...but, if we draft Ausar - isn't he a bigger Suggs right out of the gate?

I've basically considered Suggs close to untouchable, but IF we draft Ausar at #6...couldn't Suggs bring back a decent haul to a team with patience? I have a hard time even pondering it, but Suggs is kind of in limbo...not a serious starter (yet?) at either spot, but flashes of greatness.

Suggs to WAS for Kispert and Gafford comes to mind...instant bench depth, including shooting and rim protection (our needs)

Suggs & Cole to SAS for Vassell and Birch...is this close? Pop would love Suggs and need a PG

Suggs, Chuma & DEN 25 frp to POR for Simons and #23 (Suggs a very nice backcourt complement to Dame, or Sharpe long-term)

Suggs, Harris, ORL 24 frp(top 3), DEN 25 frp & #11 to ATL for DeJounte Murray, AJ Griffin & #15...Suggs might be perfect young complement to Trae in ATL backcourt. Murray and Banchero are homeboys...Fultz can be moved or waived. I LOVE this one.

Suggs and #11 for Vassell and #33?

[fendilim]

I'm as big a Suggs fan as anyone here...but, if we draft Ausar - isn't he a bigger Suggs right out of the gate?

I've basically considered Suggs close to untouchable, but IF we draft Ausar at #6...couldn't Suggs bring back a decent haul to a team with patience? I have a hard time even pondering it, but Suggs is kind of in limbo...not a serious starter (yet?) at either spot, but flashes of greatness.

Suggs to WAS for Kispert and Gafford comes to mind...instant bench depth, including shooting and rim protection (our needs)

Suggs & Cole to SAS for Vassell and Birch...is this close? Pop would love Suggs and need a PG

Suggs, Chuma & DEN 25 frp to POR for Simons and #23 (Suggs a very nice backcourt complement to Dame, or Sharpe long-term)

Suggs, Harris, ORL 24 frp(top 3), DEN 25 frp & #11 to ATL for DeJounte Murray, AJ Griffin & #15...Suggs might be perfect young complement to Trae in ATL backcourt. Murray and Banchero are homeboys...Fultz can be moved or waived. I LOVE this one.

Suggs and #11 for Vassell and #33?

Cole might be of better use for them since they’d need a 6th man.

I think Ausar and Suggs can work. Suggs has proven this year that his shot can improve.

[yoyojw17]

I'm as big a Suggs fan as anyone here...but, if we draft Ausar - isn't he a bigger Suggs right out of the gate?

I've basically considered Suggs close to untouchable, but IF we draft Ausar at #6...couldn't Suggs bring back a decent haul to a team with patience? I have a hard time even pondering it, but Suggs is kind of in limbo...not a serious starter (yet?) at either spot, but flashes of greatness.

Suggs to WAS for Kispert and Gafford comes to mind...instant bench depth, including shooting and rim protection (our needs)

Suggs & Cole to SAS for Vassell and Birch...is this close? Pop would love Suggs and need a PG

Suggs, Chuma & DEN 25 frp to POR for Simons and #23 (Suggs a very nice backcourt complement to Dame, or Sharpe long-term)

Suggs, Harris, ORL 24 frp(top 3), DEN 25 frp & #11 to ATL for DeJounte Murray, AJ Griffin & #15...Suggs might be perfect young complement to Trae in ATL backcourt. Murray and Banchero are homeboys...Fultz can be moved or waived. I LOVE this one.

Suggs and #11 for Vassell and #33?

Cole might be of better use for them since they’d need a 6th man.

I think Ausar and Suggs can work. Suggs has proven this year that his shot can improve.

I've used Cole too in the past. just going with this current train of thought. If we could do Cole and #11 for Vassell... I'm down!

[eyriq]

I want Porzingis

[mattdelray1220]

I want Porzingis

So do I... The issue is where does he fit? Are we done with WCJ? I doubt it. Would he come off the bench? Maybe. Not sure if it is because I watched us play the Wizards every time this year but he looked so good. He is a GREAT fit with Fultz, Franz, Paolo.

[Rick Rolled]

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