2023-2024 Regular Season Game 45: Orlando Magic (23-21) at Memphis Grizzlies (17-27) - 8pm

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Starting or not, Goga and Black should play together a lot more than they are currently doing. The lineups with Black playing without Goga have been really bad all season, especially lately, while the Goga/Black lineups has been surprisingly solid on offense and excellent on defense - https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612753&Season=2023-24&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=1641710,1629048

Yeah man, we need a trade if for no other reason than simplifying the decisions on rotations.

Goga and Black is better but still not good. Change the roster. Sussing out the best lineup on a badly assembled roster shouldn't be the goal.

[eyriq]

Magic RealGM legend the Glyde spotted in Memphis. Didn't realize he ran a Twitter account.

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Also, shots fired at Mosley and they aren't wrong.

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Mosely has no offense and whoever the coordinator is coaching the offense needs to be replaced.

Weltman also needs to move Carter he’s not a winning player.

[zaymon]

Also, shots fired at Mosley and they aren't wrong.

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Mosely has no offense and whoever the coordinator is coaching the offense needs to be replaced.

Weltman also needs to move Carter he’s not a winning player.

When you watch boxscore it doesnt seem so bad, but watching live felt brutal. JJJ went through him like he was 6'1.
I would like to see Paolo play more like JJJ. I wonder if its Paolo thing or Mosley thing. I remember scouting reports from draft cycle saying he has great post game.

[thelead]

Also, shots fired at Mosley and they aren't wrong.

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Mosely has no offense and whoever the coordinator is coaching the offense needs to be replaced.

Weltman also needs to move Carter he’s not a winning player.

When you watch boxscore it doesnt seem so bad, but watching live felt brutal. JJJ went through him like he was 6'1.
I would like to see Paolo play more like JJJ. I wonder if its Paolo thing or Mosley thing. I remember scouting reports from draft cycle saying he has great post game.

Shhhh… players don’t play in the post anymore. Paolo can’t do it supposedly. We can’t question this anemic offense and it’s great architect: Mosley.

It would also be nice if Weltman gave Mosley some shooters to work with.

[Duke4life831]

Also, shots fired at Mosley and they aren't wrong.

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Mosely has no offense and whoever the coordinator is coaching the offense needs to be replaced.

Weltman also needs to move Carter he’s not a winning player.

When you watch boxscore it doesnt seem so bad, but watching live felt brutal. JJJ went through him like he was 6'1.
I would like to see Paolo play more like JJJ. I wonder if its Paolo thing or Mosley thing. I remember scouting reports from draft cycle saying he has great post game.

At Duke I thought his stuff 15ft and in were the best aspects of his game. I get what's happening where they're expanding his game and he's doing more work with the ball out on the perimeter. But I do think being able to run more plays where he already has good positioning 10ft or so from the basket would be nice. Also with that said, Paolo also needs to realize more often he is 6'10 250 and not settle for so many fadeaway jumpers.

[pepe1991]

Mosely has no offense and whoever the coordinator is coaching the offense needs to be replaced.

Weltman also needs to move Carter he’s not a winning player.

When you watch boxscore it doesnt seem so bad, but watching live felt brutal. JJJ went through him like he was 6'1.
I would like to see Paolo play more like JJJ. I wonder if its Paolo thing or Mosley thing. I remember scouting reports from draft cycle saying he has great post game.

At Duke I thought his stuff 15ft and in were the best aspects of his game. I get what's happening where they're expanding his game and he's doing more work with the ball out on the perimeter. But I do think being able to run more plays where he already has good positioning 10ft or so from the basket would be nice. Also with that said, Paolo also needs to realize more often he is 6'10 250 and not settle for so many fadeaway jumpers.

Wendell's problem is conditioning. I mentioned that in past, he is 270 pounds person at 6'9 -ish.
He simply is too heavy, that probably makes him more injury prone but it's also very hard for him go to back into playing shape, while being that heavy.

Jaren Jackson weights, according to numbers, 242 pounds. While being taller.

[zaymon]

When you watch boxscore it doesnt seem so bad, but watching live felt brutal. JJJ went through him like he was 6'1.
I would like to see Paolo play more like JJJ. I wonder if its Paolo thing or Mosley thing. I remember scouting reports from draft cycle saying he has great post game.

At Duke I thought his stuff 15ft and in were the best aspects of his game. I get what's happening where they're expanding his game and he's doing more work with the ball out on the perimeter. But I do think being able to run more plays where he already has good positioning 10ft or so from the basket would be nice. Also with that said, Paolo also needs to realize more often he is 6'10 250 and not settle for so many fadeaway jumpers.

Wendell's problem is conditioning. I mentioned that in past, he is 270 pounds person at 6'9 -ish.
He simply is too heavy, that probably makes him more injury prone but it's also very hard for him go to back into playing shape, while being that heavy.

Jaren Jackson weights, according to numbers, 242 pounds. While being taller.

Problem is Jaren also looked stronger than WCJ. I guess his core is weaker after he broke his hand. We are inpatient i know, but its frustrating and he was also subpar after injury

[IllMagic04]

Mosely has no offense and whoever the coordinator is coaching the offense needs to be replaced.

Weltman also needs to move Carter he’s not a winning player.

When you watch boxscore it doesnt seem so bad, but watching live felt brutal. JJJ went through him like he was 6'1.
I would like to see Paolo play more like JJJ. I wonder if its Paolo thing or Mosley thing. I remember scouting reports from draft cycle saying he has great post game.

Shhhh… players don’t play in the post anymore. Paolo can’t do it supposedly. We can’t question this anemic offense and it’s great architect: Mosley.

It would also be nice if Weltman gave Mosley some shooters to work with.

We absolutely should do it more but putting him in the post makes him an even easier target to double. With the way we shot Id bring a 2nd defender the very second he tries to back down. Its a little tougher to double when he facing the basket. I honestly dont get why teams dont just trap him on every single screen and roll. We don't have the perimeter talent to make a defense scramble after he passes out of it.

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[Fortune Teller]

Make a damn trades. What's the purpose of draft picks & assets if they can't play and you are wasting cheap years of Franz and Paolo on teams that are not funcional?

Well, this should be asked after each game - what was the point of drafting Howard - he has played 42 minutes so far, halfway through the season not a full NBA game yet, actually in terms of minutes played he is 49th!! among the rookies this season, so without a significant injury he is getting the minutes that a late 2nd round pick should be expecting...
he may turn everything around and become an elite player, but then why not free minutes for him from the start...
Really mindless decision no matter how the pick pans out.

The front office missed a golden opportunity to improve this team by trading the 6 and 11 picks. Complete waste of assets. Jett now has no value and AB probably not much.

[thelead]

When you watch boxscore it doesnt seem so bad, but watching live felt brutal. JJJ went through him like he was 6'1.
I would like to see Paolo play more like JJJ. I wonder if its Paolo thing or Mosley thing. I remember scouting reports from draft cycle saying he has great post game.

Shhhh… players don’t play in the post anymore. Paolo can’t do it supposedly. We can’t question this anemic offense and it’s great architect: Mosley.

It would also be nice if Weltman gave Mosley some shooters to work with.

We absolutely should do it more but putting him in the post makes him an even easier target to double. With the way we shot Id bring a 2nd defender the very second he tries to back down. Its a little tougher to double when he facing the basket. I honestly dont get why teams dont just trap him on every single screen and roll. We don't have the perimeter talent to make a defense scramble after he passes out of it.

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To be clear, I’m not asking for Paolo to play with his back to the basket. He just needs to start more of his possessions closer to the basket. If he wants to face up or back down, that’s his call depending on who’s guarding him.

[BCS]

Shhhh… players don’t play in the post anymore. Paolo can’t do it supposedly. We can’t question this anemic offense and it’s great architect: Mosley.

It would also be nice if Weltman gave Mosley some shooters to work with.

We absolutely should do it more but putting him in the post makes him an even easier target to double. With the way we shot Id bring a 2nd defender the very second he tries to back down. Its a little tougher to double when he facing the basket. I honestly dont get why teams dont just trap him on every single screen and roll. We don't have the perimeter talent to make a defense scramble after he passes out of it.

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To be clear, I’m not asking for Paolo to play with his back to the basket. He just needs to start more of his possessions closer to the basket. If he wants to face up or back down, that’s his call depending on who’s guarding him.

Tbh, with the roster we were building, I thought our half court offense would heavily rely on looking for the mismatch and bullying them on the post, the reason for having big guards like Fultz and Black.



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[jezzerinho]

WCJ is a finesse big. We already have one in Paolo. Wendell is closer to a PF than a C. The fit is poor. Talented guy, but he'll be happier, better and less injured playing a PF-heavy role somewhere else.

[zaymon]

Make a damn trades. What's the purpose of draft picks & assets if they can't play and you are wasting cheap years of Franz and Paolo on teams that are not funcional?

Well, this should be asked after each game - what was the point of drafting Howard - he has played 42 minutes so far, halfway through the season not a full NBA game yet, actually in terms of minutes played he is 49th!! among the rookies this season, so without a significant injury he is getting the minutes that a late 2nd round pick should be expecting...
he may turn everything around and become an elite player, but then why not free minutes for him from the start...
Really mindless decision no matter how the pick pans out.

The front office missed a golden opportunity to improve this team by trading the 6 and 11 picks. Complete waste of assets. Jett now has no value and AB probably not much.

maybe we tried and didnt succed ? who was the target ? Lillard, Beal ? Also next offseason is not the end of our window but propably not even the beginning. They will propably both gain and lose their value again until we are ready to compete.

[pepe1991]

We absolutely should do it more but putting him in the post makes him an even easier target to double. With the way we shot Id bring a 2nd defender the very second he tries to back down. Its a little tougher to double when he facing the basket. I honestly dont get why teams dont just trap him on every single screen and roll. We don't have the perimeter talent to make a defense scramble after he passes out of it.

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To be clear, I’m not asking for Paolo to play with his back to the basket. He just needs to start more of his possessions closer to the basket. If he wants to face up or back down, that’s his call depending on who’s guarding him.

Tbh, with the roster we were building, I thought our half court offense would heavily rely on looking for the mismatch and bullying them on the post, the reason for having big guards like Fultz and Black.



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Hard to exploit missmatches if defense sags off to everybody to a point where they stand below rim within arms reach. You can see teams playing some uber 4-1 zone against us.

[Bensational]

Paolo is down to 53.6 TS% and while a lot of this is on him and his shot selection, he is certainly not helped by our horrendous spacing and lack of playmaking. None of our PGs get him easy looks more than once in a blue moon and they are all killing his spacing

To be fair, Paolo isn’t an active off-ball option yet, he’s always on standby on the perimeter, so the only looks they can get for him are open 3’s. If he gets in the paint, it’s to post up and not slip through on a cut.

That’s not to excuse the rest of the team for being subpar support, like Fultz camping in the paint or Black only being good for the extra pass. But Paolo still has a lot of his own growing to do which will make his and everyone else’s games easier.

[Skybox]

Shhhh… players don’t play in the post anymore. Paolo can’t do it supposedly. We can’t question this anemic offense and it’s great architect: Mosley.

It would also be nice if Weltman gave Mosley some shooters to work with.

We absolutely should do it more but putting him in the post makes him an even easier target to double. With the way we shot Id bring a 2nd defender the very second he tries to back down. Its a little tougher to double when he facing the basket. I honestly dont get why teams dont just trap him on every single screen and roll. We don't have the perimeter talent to make a defense scramble after he passes out of it.

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To be clear, I’m not asking for Paolo to play with his back to the basket. He just needs to start more of his possessions closer to the basket. If he wants to face up or back down, that’s his call depending on who’s guarding him.

That requires a PG or any backcourt player capable of dropping it down to him...also problematic is that there's 3 guys waiting for him down there. He's starting his own offense from the perimeter to at least have a shot at beating 3 guys one at a time instead of all in a crowd in the paint...a decent floor spacing backcourt would work wonders for Paolo's game. The idea that someone "taking shots away" from Paolo is really small thinking.

[thelead]

Paolo is down to 53.6 TS% and while a lot of this is on him and his shot selection, he is certainly not helped by our horrendous spacing and lack of playmaking. None of our PGs get him easy looks more than once in a blue moon and they are all killing his spacing

To be fair, Paolo isn’t an active off-ball option yet, he’s always on standby on the perimeter, so the only looks they can get for him are open 3’s. If he gets in the paint, it’s to post up and not slip through on a cut.

That’s not to excuse the rest of the team for being subpar support, like Fultz camping in the paint or Black only being good for the extra pass. But Paolo still has a lot of his own growing to do which will make his and everyone else’s games easier.

There’s just no movement in the offense. Franz used to get a ton of easy looks on cuts but he rarely does it anymore. The offense is just hot potato around the 3pt line until someone decides to drive with ~8-10 in the shot clock. It’s disgusting.

[KillMonger]

In truth paolo should be operating from the nail, that's where he should live.... However with our point guard situation and the way we play, we have paolo initiating around the three point line.... He's too far away from the basket for my liking

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It’s true. There is no movement on offense without Franz. This was noticeable when he was out.

The problem is at point guard. I’ve said this for 4+ years now. Weltman needs to move Gary Harris, Fultz, and Carter to solve the **** problem.

The offense is embarrassing sometimes to watch.