Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[eyriq]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

[pepe1991]

16 days away from draft, draft night will probably get little crazy this year.

[eyriq]

Personally, I also think the following are true:

- KCP is the most likely to be traded
- Jett is the most likely to be salary dumped

[cedric76]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

Important is that we are not willing to go above the 1st Apron and definitely not above the 2nd apron

[eyriq]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

Important is that we are not willing to go above the 1st Apron and definitely not above the 2nd apron

Yes. If we use the NT-MLE we can't go above the first apron.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

One of Isaac/KCP won't be here next year
Orlando looking at adding offensive minded assistant coach - mentioned on marc stein's substack subscription podcast

[RichCollab]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

I don’t buy the trade up in the draft rumors or that’s the right thing to do.

AB needs to be replaced with a better fitting starter but not an all-star. I hope we keep AB.

You are pretty much right though.

[RichCollab]

So, what do we believe so far?

1. In win-now mode
2. Focused on an exchange of offense for defense
3. 11 slots are locked in, four have team options
4. Consolidation trades can't result in an increase of overall salary as we are likely to get hard capped below the first apron
5. Willing to trade AB in a package for an all-star scoring guard
6. Franz and Paolo are untouchable
7. Looking to trade up in the draft
8. Willing to salary dump guaranteed money to access NT-MLE and keep Moritz

Anything else? Anything incorrect?

One of Isaac/KCP won't be here next year
Orlando looking at adding offensive minded assistant coach - mentioned on marc stein's substack subscription podcast

I hope this is true but not sure it’s overly certain.

[yoyojw17]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280704/Darius-Garland-Out-4-5-Months-With-Surgery-On-Great-Toe

Ouch. This might put a lil damper on their offseason plans!

Well: it would make his acquisition "cheaper", in the meaning of less assets traded.

But, Garland's 15% trade-kicker makes him a max-level salary. I cannot see that being acceptable to the moneybag accountants. Garland at 50M a year (a salary line Orlando would be paying him in 27.28) is unfathomable to me.

Yeah, too expensive, we need to find a premium core player that doesnt get premium money, this is why i like Trey murphy , there are not many 20+ points per game players that make less than 25M and are locked for many years

Yup . . I was never on the garland train at that price tag. And I'm with you on the trey Murphy pickup. Young, talented, cost controlled. He's up there at the top of my list of hopefuls this summer.

[Magic_Johnny12]

All I know reading all of these is that there’s going to be A LOT of disappointed people (myself included).

[Skybox]

Does anybody really think Murphy is a SG at 6'8? This is just like the Cam Johnson talk - he's just a square peg for this team. Being a great young player doesn't make him a sensible target....if you're leaving Suggs at PG, you're just missing the whole thing. Why keep upgrading Gary -AB, KCP, NAW, Suggs - and ignoring the real need?

[89Magicfan]

Does anybody really think Murphy is a SG at 6'8? This is just like the Cam Johnson talk - he's just a square peg for this team. Being a great young player doesn't make him a sensible target....if you're leaving Suggs at PG, you're just missing the whole thing. Why keep upgrading Gary -AB, KCP, NAW, Suggs - and ignoring the real need?

Because people still want to believe it’s just a shooting problem. That Paolo/Franz/Suggs can carry the play making duties when data shows that isn’t true.

[JoshuaPotter]

Does anybody really think Murphy is a SG at 6'8? This is just like the Cam Johnson talk - he's just a square peg for this team. Being a great young player doesn't make him a sensible target....if you're leaving Suggs at PG, you're just missing the whole thing. Why keep upgrading Gary -AB, KCP, NAW, Suggs - and ignoring the real need?

Because people still want to believe it’s just a shooting problem. That Paolo/Franz/Suggs can carry the play making duties when data shows that isn’t true.

especially when those 3 whom are the majority of our 3pa can't shoot.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Does anybody really think Murphy is a SG at 6'8? This is just like the Cam Johnson talk - he's just a square peg for this team. Being a great young player doesn't make him a sensible target....if you're leaving Suggs at PG, you're just missing the whole thing. Why keep upgrading Gary -AB, KCP, NAW, Suggs - and ignoring the real need?

the murphy talk is wild and i have no clue where it came from. Like others have said it's not a shooting issue, we got plenty of open shots. It's a playmaking issue and ball movement/system issue

[eyriq]

Does anybody really think Murphy is a SG at 6'8? This is just like the Cam Johnson talk - he's just a square peg for this team. Being a great young player doesn't make him a sensible target....if you're leaving Suggs at PG, you're just missing the whole thing. Why keep upgrading Gary -AB, KCP, NAW, Suggs - and ignoring the real need?

Because people still want to believe it’s just a shooting problem. That Paolo/Franz/Suggs can carry the play making duties when data shows that isn’t true.

The data doesn’t say that at all. The offensive struggles are better explained by injuries, a young roster still learning the league, and a bench built around defense first. It's a context problem, not a talent one.

[Knightro]

Important is that we are not willing to go above the 1st Apron and definitely not above the 2nd apron

0% chance they go above the 2nd apron in 25-26 knowing that 2nd apron is VERY LIKELY happening in 26-27 with Paolo's contract jumping by almost $30M in one shot.

I don't think they will go above the 1st apron either.

It will be tough to stay below the tax entirely, but there's a path to make that happen.

My guess...

Above the tax, below the 1st apron, nowhere near the 2nd apron next season.

[89Magicfan]

Does anybody really think Murphy is a SG at 6'8? This is just like the Cam Johnson talk - he's just a square peg for this team. Being a great young player doesn't make him a sensible target....if you're leaving Suggs at PG, you're just missing the whole thing. Why keep upgrading Gary -AB, KCP, NAW, Suggs - and ignoring the real need?

Because people still want to believe it’s just a shooting problem. That Paolo/Franz/Suggs can carry the play making duties when data shows that isn’t true.

The data doesn’t say that at all. The offensive struggles are better explained by injuries, a young roster still learning the league, and a bench built around defense first. It's a context problem, not a talent one.

It absolutely does say that. The data has been passed around here quite a bit in fact.

We are one of the worst at getting good shots.

[tiderulz]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/280704/Darius-Garland-Out-4-5-Months-With-Surgery-On-Great-Toe

Ouch. This might put a lil damper on their offseason plans!

Well: it would make his acquisition "cheaper", in the meaning of less assets traded.

But, Garland's 15% trade-kicker makes him a max-level salary. I cannot see that being acceptable to the moneybag accountants. Garland at 50M a year (a salary line Orlando would be paying him in 27.28) is unfathomable to me.

Yeah, too expensive, we need to find a premium core player that doesnt get premium money, this is why i like Trey murphy , there are not many 20+ points per game players that make less than 25M and are locked for many years

you realize Murphy wont be a 20 ppg player in Orlando right? he was the #2 or #1 scoring option a lot last year. he will be #3 or #4 in Orlando. and Murphy makes $25mil next year and it goes up every year after that. so no, he doesnt make less than $25mil

[cedric76]

Important is that we are not willing to go above the 1st Apron and definitely not above the 2nd apron

0% chance they go above the 2nd apron in 25-26 knowing that 2nd apron is VERY LIKELY happening in 26-27 with Paolo's contract jumping by almost $30M in one shot.

I don't think they will go above the 1st apron either.

It will be tough to stay below the tax entirely, but there's a path to make that happen.

My guess...

Above the tax, below the 1st apron, nowhere near the 2nd apron next season.

Season 25-26 - Above the tax, below the 1st apron, nowhere near the 2nd apron next season.
Season 26-27 - Above the 1st Apron and borderline 2nd apron (IF we manage to make it to the 2nd round)

[yoyojw17]

Well: it would make his acquisition "cheaper", in the meaning of less assets traded.

But, Garland's 15% trade-kicker makes him a max-level salary. I cannot see that being acceptable to the moneybag accountants. Garland at 50M a year (a salary line Orlando would be paying him in 27.28) is unfathomable to me.

Yeah, too expensive, we need to find a premium core player that doesnt get premium money, this is why i like Trey murphy , there are not many 20+ points per game players that make less than 25M and are locked for many years

you realize Murphy wont be a 20 ppg player in Orlando right? he was the #2 or #1 scoring option a lot last year. he will be #3 or #4 in Orlando. and Murphy makes $25mil next year and it goes up every year after that. so no, he doesnt make less than $25mil

He doesn't have to score 20 points for the the season.... He just has to make the appropriate impact on the team. He brings everything the magic love in prospects... Positional size and defensive versatility.. . While adding the skills we need.... Shooting and playmaking. And we know what we will be paying him for the next 3-4 seasons.... Compared to giving up assets for a Simons... Him doing decent and possibly having to pay as much or more cuz of the salary cap increases next year.

https://youtu.be/dHAWE5VYDT4?si=l8QSdcI-QAt1xpmV

For that.... I would give up assets.