Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[Magic_Johnny12]

AB is the point guard of the future

For which team?

Taipei Dragons

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves

AB ceiling is someone like Josh Hart/Alex Caruso imo which shouldn’t be viewed as a disappointment.

Coincidentally though, his two highest overall comps statistically in the last 5 years are no other than:

Jalen Suggs (2022 & 2023)

Which I admit would make me a bit apprehensive to trade him prematurely knowing what we know now about Suggs growth.

EXTREMELY important archetype to a winning team, however and unfortunately Orlando’s current needs outweigh the intangibles Black projects to provide.

I don’t like putting caps on players so young, but Black by no means projects to be a “point guard of the future”. He very well might not even be labeled a point guard when ultimately he finds his niche in this league.

Again, useful and valuable kind of player especially if his shot develops. I personally prefer to keep him over marginal upgrades in the event of a Suggs leap, but if he’s what it takes to acquire a true difference maker I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him.

[yoyojw17]

I will say that the only really positive thing about Poole over a lot of other options is that I DO NOT think he is going to cost a ton of assets.

I actually think Orlando can GET assets from taking him on.

His contract sucks and its not like there are a million teams needing his services.

I would trade:

KCP
Cole Anthony
Jonathan Isaac
2025 #25 pick

FOR

Jordan Poole
Corey Kispert
2025 #18 pick

Poole/AB
Suggs/Coward (#16)
Franz/Kispert
Paolo/Fleming (#18)
Carter/Moe/Goga

Draft Cedric Coward and Rasheer Fleming.

Agreed. I don't think they are trying to pay extra for maybes when it comes to assets.

I would do this deal. Poole will be out of the picture in the same timeline as KCP.... and Kispert is here on a good contract... and put him together with his former teammate. MAYBE Poole becomes the reclamation project. With an established team culture and mindset... he won't be able to just be the cancerous player that many might expect. Tone down everything and become a better complementary player and focus on defense. Might be a total nothing burger... but hey... things like that can make a difference. And i love how we were able to gain some Magic type players... with shooting in this case... while replacing some of the vacant defense of KCP and Isaac.

And we give Jett and TDS more runway to see what they can become.

Poole/AB
Suggs/Coward (#16)/Jett
Franz/TDS/Kispert
Paolo/ Moe/ Fleming (#18)
Carter/Goga/ Pick up another center

[eyriq]

For which team?

Taipei Dragons

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves

AB ceiling is someone like Josh Hart/Alex Caruso imo which shouldn’t be viewed as a disappointment.

Coincidentally though, his two highest overall comps statistically in the last 5 years are no other than:

Jalen Suggs (2022 & 2023)

Which I admit would make me a bit apprehensive to trade him prematurely knowing what we know now about Suggs growth.

EXTREMELY important archetype to a winning team, however and unfortunately Orlando’s current needs outweigh the intangibles Black projects to provide.

I don’t like putting caps on players so young, but Black by no means projects to be a “point guard of the future”. He very well might not even be labeled a point guard when ultimately he finds his niche in this league.

Again, useful and valuable kind of player especially if his shot develops. I personally prefer to keep him over marginal upgrades in the event of a Suggs leap, but if he’s what it takes to acquire a true difference maker I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him.

Damn son, I have to reevaluate my opinion of you. Everything you've said is true, even calling out my PGotF schtick. Great post.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I will say that the only really positive thing about Poole over a lot of other options is that I DO NOT think he is going to cost a ton of assets.

I actually think Orlando can GET assets from taking him on.

His contract sucks and its not like there are a million teams needing his services.

I would trade:

KCP
Cole Anthony
Jonathan Isaac
2025 #25 pick

FOR

Jordan Poole
Corey Kispert
2025 #18 pick

Poole/AB
Suggs/Coward (#16)
Franz/Kispert
Paolo/Fleming (#18)
Carter/Moe/Goga

Draft Cedric Coward and Rasheer Fleming.

Salaries don’t match.

Orlando outgoing: $59.7M

Orlando incoming: $45.8M

If Isaac is dealt before 7/11 he counts as $25M

I also wouldn’t complicate the trade:

Isaac/Cole/#25 for Poole/Bey works perfect salary wise.

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I will say that the only really positive thing about Poole over a lot of other options is that I DO NOT think he is going to cost a ton of assets.

I actually think Orlando can GET assets from taking him on.

His contract sucks and its not like there are a million teams needing his services.

I would trade:

KCP
Cole Anthony
Jonathan Isaac
2025 #25 pick

FOR

Jordan Poole
Corey Kispert
2025 #18 pick

Poole/AB
Suggs/Coward (#16)
Franz/Kispert
Paolo/Fleming (#18)
Carter/Moe/Goga

Draft Cedric Coward and Rasheer Fleming.

Salaries don’t match.

Orlando outgoing: $59.7M

Orlando incoming: $45.8M

If Isaac is dealt before 7/11 he counts as $25M

I also wouldn’t complicate the trade:

Isaac/Cole/#25 for Poole/Bey works perfect salary wise.

Yeah, damn I forgot about Isaac needing to hit that date first.

I dont want Bey and would rather move KCP. So no thanks nevermind.

[mattdelray1220]

I can feel the board getting restless. DO NOT WORRY!! A trade is coming. Man, I cannot wait till it pops up on twitter and I sign onto Realgm. Right around draft night. Getting close. We are the BUYER this time around. Can we debate on who it should be, sure. BUT we are going to be getting the best player in the deal. No doubt about that.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I will say that the only really positive thing about Poole over a lot of other options is that I DO NOT think he is going to cost a ton of assets.

I actually think Orlando can GET assets from taking him on.

His contract sucks and its not like there are a million teams needing his services.

I would trade:

KCP
Cole Anthony
Jonathan Isaac
2025 #25 pick

FOR

Jordan Poole
Corey Kispert
2025 #18 pick

Poole/AB
Suggs/Coward (#16)
Franz/Kispert
Paolo/Fleming (#18)
Carter/Moe/Goga

Draft Cedric Coward and Rasheer Fleming.

Salaries don’t match.

Orlando outgoing: $59.7M

Orlando incoming: $45.8M

If Isaac is dealt before 7/11 he counts as $25M

I also wouldn’t complicate the trade:

Isaac/Cole/#25 for Poole/Bey works perfect salary wise.

Yeah, damn I forgot about Isaac needing to hit that date first.

I dont want Bey and would rather move KCP. So no thanks nevermind.

Orlando has to be strategic.

Moving KCP isn’t necessary this offseason. With this trade we still are under the 1st apron.

We can then look at moving KCP next off season (or even at the deadline) when he’s an expiring and a lot easier to move.

Bey is also an expiring and provides shooting (could be an underrated pickup).

[Skybox]

#1
ORL sends: KCP, Cole Anthony, Jett Howard
WAS sends: Poole, Saddiq Bey

#2
ORL sends: Goga, #46
BRK sends: #27

#3
ORL sends: ORL 26 frp (w/swap), #27, TdS, Isaac...before July 1 while he's $25m
UTA sends: Walker Kessler, John Collins (expiring)

ORL drafts: Jase Richardson at #16 and Nique Clifford at #25

Kessler, WCJ, (Moe)
Paolo, Collins, WCJ
Franz, Bey, Clifford
Suggs, AB, Clifford
Poole, Richardson

*Collins has a large expiring - should be more than Kessler's extension for next year. Hopefully, Moe can be kept on a re-worked deal, but might be a cap casualty.

[pepe1991]

Without disrespect for Philip, since that's job that brings food to his table, he is professional a* licker for access. Like any person who is beat writer or wannabe beat writer.

I remember listening to his podcasts when Magic got Ibaka and everybody with set of semi funcional eyes could see how Ibaka is not shadow of old self, yet all he did was used spins to defend trade and defend failing process. As soon as Hennigan got fired he changed his opinion.

[eyriq]

Ok, on the JI outgoing salary bit. My understanding is that regardless of timing the outgoing salary for trade purposes will be $15M.


From the CBA:

"With respect to the assignment of Player Contracts occurring during the period from the day following the last day of a Regular Season through June 30 of that Salary Cap Year, a Traded Player’s Salary will equal the lesser of:
(x) the player’s Salary for the current Salary Cap Year; and
(y) the player’s Salary for the subsequent Salary Cap Year reduced by the amount of the player’s unearned Base Compensation for the subsequent Salary Cap Year that, at the time of the trade, is not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness"

[89Magicfan]

Jordon Poole, the guy everyone trades for just to see how fast they can trade him. Yeah let’s get that guy.

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Without disrespect for Philip, since that's job that brings food to his table, he is professional a* licker for access. Like any person who is beat writer or wannabe beat writer.

I remember listening to his podcasts when Magic got Ibaka and everybody with set of semi funcional eyes could see how Ibaka is not shadow of old self, yet all he did was used spins to defend trade and defend failing process. As soon as Hennigan got fired he changed his opinion.

My favorite is when he’s terrified of making any kind of rational judgement on current players. Then when they are moved he praises the decision.

20% of this board operates the same way.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Ok, on the JI outgoing salary bit. My understanding is that regardless of timing the outgoing salary for trade purposes will be $15M.


From the CBA:

"With respect to the assignment of Player Contracts occurring during the period from the day following the last day of a Regular Season through June 30 of that Salary Cap Year, a Traded Player’s Salary will equal the lesser of:
(x) the player’s Salary for the current Salary Cap Year; and
(y) the player’s Salary for the subsequent Salary Cap Year reduced by the amount of the player’s unearned Base Compensation for the subsequent Salary Cap Year that, at the time of the trade, is not fully protected for lack of skill and injury or illness"

It’s funny how confusing this is, you still have big media people using the $25M number in mock trades. I just heard KOC say it the other day.

[tiderulz]

Jordon Poole, the guy everyone trades for just to see how fast they can trade him. Yeah let’s get that guy.

i cant believe people are hoping for a Jordan Poole trade.

[Skybox]

The off-season plan has leaked
1. Trade JI+Cole+16 for Simons
2. Draft Raynaud @25
3. Cut Moritz, Harris, CoJo
4. Sign NAW, Moritz, and CoJo

I'd be good with that...but I don't know how they justify paying KCP and NAW as backups. I'd much rather send KCP to POR than JI & Cole, but I understand POR might prefer less.

[JF5]

Reducing Paolo and Franz’s playmaking kills two things at once: a key advantage over other wings and valuable developmental reps. The offense has a shooting problem, not a playmaking one, and tossing out a wing-hub build for some guard-centric preference is short-sighted. Unless you’re bringing in an all-star, the move makes the team worse. AB is the point guard of the future, pairing him with a true scoring threat will unlock the whole thing.

I'm not even sure if you're serious any more.

"key advantage" -- to having the worst offense in the NBA?

"developmental reps" -- for who? Paolo and Franz? The only guys who touch the ball on offense anyway?

"AB is the point guard of the future" -- really you're still doing this? The same AB who had ZERO assists in 5 playoff games?

That's the role he played.

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I think that's the disconnect when talking about this. They clearly needed another ball handler. Yet, with a horrific backcourt play and a 3rd stringer in Corey Joseph as the starter and no Jalen Suggs in the way. They chose NOT to rely on Black as the 3rd Ball Handler in the series or the end of the season.

That doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of Black to me. Especially with how he had the ball in his hands for the majority of the season and just struggled at being a facilitator.

[pepe1991]

Without disrespect for Philip, since that's job that brings food to his table, he is professional a* licker for access. Like any person who is beat writer or wannabe beat writer.

I remember listening to his podcasts when Magic got Ibaka and everybody with set of semi funcional eyes could see how Ibaka is not shadow of old self, yet all he did was used spins to defend trade and defend failing process. As soon as Hennigan got fired he changed his opinion.

My favorite is when he’s terrified of making any kind of rational judgement on current players. Then when they are moved he praises the decision.

20% of this board operates the same way.

I understand why he does it, he meets some of lower level stuff and if he is lucky enough, some players and is hoping to get 20 sec "interview" with players.

Why fans do it? To not be called out if some player becomes good ? Like, who cares...

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Without disrespect for Philip, since that's job that brings food to his table, he is professional a* licker for access. Like any person who is beat writer or wannabe beat writer.

I remember listening to his podcasts when Magic got Ibaka and everybody with set of semi funcional eyes could see how Ibaka is not shadow of old self, yet all he did was used spins to defend trade and defend failing process. As soon as Hennigan got fired he changed his opinion.

My favorite is when he’s terrified of making any kind of rational judgement on current players. Then when they are moved he praises the decision.

20% of this board operates the same way.

I understand why he does it, he meets some of lower level stuff and if he is lucky enough, some players and is hoping to get 20 sec "interview" with players.

Why fans do it? To not be called out if some player becomes good ? Like, who cares...

It's people thinking every player in Orlando is better than they are in reality because they play for the Magic.

PRR has the lamest softball takes because he wants access and doesnt want to step on anyones toes.

The most critical thing he's said this season is that Isaac's offense might be gone... like yeah obviously.

[RichCollab]

I try to stay positive and look at the bright side of the players we have.

Some don’t have bright sides any longer “Cole.”

I love Suggs because he puts his life and soul on the line. What does a player like Ben Simmons do?

I get attached to players watching them every game.

It is time to move on from JI. Please don’t ask again. Just wait until next season. He is a great value…

Call me a dumb homer but give me Paolo over Luka all day. I really can’t stand Luka’s attitude.

[basketballRob]

Jordan is just entering his prime.

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