Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXV: Offseason Edition)

mityamag · Post #701 » by **mityamag** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 10:22 am

First Otis and his GS connections, now Martins and his NO

PigsEatHam · Post #702 » by **PigsEatHam** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 10:54 am

mityamag wrote:First Otis and his GS connections, now Martins and his NO

How strong can that connection actually be when we couldn't pry Paul away from New Orleans back when we had Gortat, Pietrus, draft picks, Carter's expiring, etc? I think this is a bit overblown, particularly since the guy hasn't even been hired yet.

WeAreVenom · Post #703 » by **WeAreVenom** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 11:17 am

Bensational wrote:
WeAreVenom wrote:
prorl wrote:Bower would be just perpetuating the in house/friends of the family hire that has burned the Magic in the past. This ownership is the problem we keep coming up short and the reason all our superstars have left on bad terms. Bower made that mind boggling move to give a well past his prime Peja that huge contract. Expect more of the same if the Magic hire him. Its tough being a fan of this team seeing this non sense.

I really hope they don't do this......

They need to stop hiring their f****** friends and go and look for a real GM.

you'd be out of the running then, mr 'lead assistant'.

Fair enough.

Ironically, if Martins did hire me as a GM, I don't think I'd respect him, lol.

But they can hire Weaver or Lindsey, those guys are like Super-Assistants.

Post #704 » by **eyriq** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 11:19 am

50. Ryan Anderson
Remember my December column about the Salary Cap Fantasy League? Would you enjoy paying $2.24 million this season for a guy who plays 31 minutes a game, averages 16.5 points and 7.5 rebounds, makes 43 percent of his 3s (and takes 6.7 per game!) and 86 percent of his free throws and plays with the effectiveness of an obscenely rich man's Steve Novak? I thought so.

Andre Iguodala, Luol Deng, Rudy Gay: Quality starters getting paid like franchise guys. Deng was the toughest omission — not only is he playing splendidly, I can't remember the last time a radical haircut transformed my opinion of someone this dramatically. You might have to go back to Demi Moore in Ghost.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/766 ... lue-part-1

Now granted a lot will depend on how much Anderson is getting paid this summer...

Post #705 » by **FFBlitzace** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 11:40 am

You guys make it too easy for eyriq. All he has to do is think about Ryan, and a swarm of you runs in and posts a 5 game stretch of stats under atypical conditions that we're not likely to see again if we ever hope of being good.

WeAreVenom · Post #706 » by **WeAreVenom** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 11:47 am

Tayswagzzz wrote:
Skin wrote:
christian72589 wrote:I've been really surprised that we haven't been getting any news at all really on the GM/coach search. It's kind of the biggest deal in our franchise history considering it has implications of us either rebuilding or competing in two years.

I've been wondering if Martins is waiting for the Celtics to lose, so he can talk to Doc Rivers.

By what I've been told, yes.

Whether they lose or not...lol

Then the Heat need to hurry up and get their sh** together.

As fun as it is to romanticize about them beating the Heat......We all know that they most likely won't.

Post #707 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 1:14 pm

Tayswagzzz wrote:
Skin wrote:
christian72589 wrote:I've been really surprised that we haven't been getting any news at all really on the GM/coach search. It's kind of the biggest deal in our franchise history considering it has implications of us either rebuilding or competing in two years.

I've been wondering if Martins is waiting for the Celtics to lose, so he can talk to Doc Rivers.

By what I've been told, yes.

Whether they lose or not...lol

Good, lets go after the big fish.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #708 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 1:45 pm

magicman123 wrote:rudy gay can actually dribble the basketball and create his own shot, ill take that over korver any day

Wait, wait.....there are people that would pass on Rudy gay for KYLE KORVER and RYAN ANDERSON?!?! Good god! :lol:

I don't understand, after all the bull Ryan put up in the playoffs, how this guy gets so overrated. Had jameer, jrich, or Davis put up the garbage that Garrity Jr did people would be furious. Year after year this kid gets a pass for being mediocore. Wtf? Maybe i should go further back and look zt all the posts but got dammit man.

Ahmadab · Post #709 » by **Ahmadab** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:05 pm

Gay would be the best player to ever play with Dwight, so yes if we had the chance to take him i would.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #710 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:07 pm

eyriq wrote:
Bensational wrote:

playoffs USG - Gay 25%/Anderson 16%

the Magic went to guys like Baby, Nelson, Redick, Turk, JRich all over Anderson.

Yeah, and now you know why they fired SVG

because they didnt go to ryan anderson...are you **** kidding me right now eyriq?! They didn't go to Ryan because he isn't a go to player. Like I said ALL YEAR the only thing a good defensive e team needs to do is to put a player in front of Ryan and that's exactly what they did. All you have to do is stand in front of him and he's shut down.

Ryan is useless with out a true superstar playing with him and Anderson proved me right....again. I dont know what makes you think hes so good, usage rate? He's not skilled dude. You're infatuated with a spot shooter and i have no idea why. You're the only person on the planet earth that thinks Ryan Anderson is better than rudy gay accept maybe Ryan himself....I like your posts dude but come on. You cant be serious.

Blue_and_Whte · Post #711 » by **Blue_and_Whte** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:12 pm

You know what you got me Eyriq. You don't think Ryan is better than Rudy...hopefully Memphis thinks that so we can s&t Ryan for him.

Nolimit1211 · Post #712 » by **Nolimit1211** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:12 pm

Ryan Anderson choked in every playoff game he's ever played in.

You don't need PER to see that, just 2 eyes... Only ONE game in his playoff career has he shot more than 33%... and that amazing game was a 5 for 13, 4 rebound astonishing night.....

If there's a sucker GM out there who thinks he has value, then you have to rip'em off. Otherwise let'em walk.

MagicFan32 · Post #713 » by **MagicFan32** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:21 pm

Holy crap more Ryan Anderson posts?

He's valuable to the magic as long as Dwight Howard is around, as he helps space the floor and shoots 3's at a high rate, while posting solid rebounding numbers.

Obviously without Dwight he loses value because he loses alot of good shots.

that doesn't make him garbage like some of you people "think"

that makes him a role player, a very good one and he's still very young, his offense has improved every year.

Rudy Gay passes the eye test, but he fails in efficiency and being able to fit into a team, He actually played terrible vs the Clippers. I watched every game, his entire game revolves around him dominating the ball, and he blatantly ignored the matchup advantages ZBO and Marc Gasol had, because he couldn't find a way to contribute if he wasn't dominating entire possessions, conversely Memphis played alot better allowing Mike Conley to run plays thru the bigs.

Rudy is a good player, but is way way overpaid and he can't play with big men! Memphis went farther WITHOUT HIM last year

I'm sure Mitch Kupchak would love to put this guy besides Andrew Bynum so he could have more space to operate him, someone with a lil wayne avy can't be a serious fan anyways, that dude dick rides like 5 teams......laker fan, hornet fan, heat fan, knick fan....

Nolimit1211 · Post #714 » by **Nolimit1211** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:30 pm

MagicFan32 wrote:He's valuable to the magic as long as Dwight Howard is around, as he helps space the floor and shoots 3's at a high rate, while posting solid rebounding numbers.

He played in the 2011 playoffs WITH DWIGHT and still had 0 points two games (zilch), shot 27% for the series and averaged 4pts and 4rebs the entire series.... while D12 carried everyones dead weight in the paint.

Spot-up shooters don't win in the playoffs, not with Dwight, not without Dwight... Playoffs are played Man On Man... noone doubles... every year where are knocked out because of this and you guys still don't understand. Hopefully our next GM isn't as naive to this.

MagicFan32 · Post #715 » by **MagicFan32** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:33 pm

so you're blaming Anderson, because the magic have no guards, or small forwards that can get dribble penetration? misplaced blame much?

Nolimit1211 · Post #716 » by **Nolimit1211** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:36 pm

MagicFan32 wrote:so you're blaming Anderson, because the magic have no guards, or small forwards that can get dribble penetration? misplaced blame much?

They're trash too, but they have absolutely no value anyway.... So like I said earlier, if there's a sucker GM who believes Ryan has value then let'em have him.

Adding a PF to the one-dimensional SG's and SF's we have that is also one-dimensional doesn't help.

rcklsscognition · Post #717 » by **rcklsscognition** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:36 pm

I hope we are done with the 1 in 4 out BS. It's not only boring, but stupid as it hinges on using your best player as a decoy to get other bad players open shots.

ChildishGambino · Post #718 » by **ChildishGambino** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:37 pm

why are we still talking about Anderson? much bigger fish to fry...

Nolimit1211 · Post #719 » by **Nolimit1211** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:38 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:I hope we are done with the 1 in 4 out BS. It's not only boring, but stupid as it hinges on using your best player as a decoy to get other bad players open shots.

Lol that's gold.

dwightsmight12 · Post #720 » by **dwightsmight12** » Tue Jun 5, 2012 2:38 pm

I can't believe there's even a discussion on this. Rudy is an all-around good swingman that can score, rebound, and defend. RA is a system player that is too soft as a big man to be in the East. He belongs out west with the T'Wolves or somebody. Give me Rudy 10 times out of 9.