Official Speculation Thread (Pt. XXXII Off-Season Edition)

[cvMagic]

You know what i need to see how it would work though if we did do the Nets trade...but what i'm hearing is we would get lopez...humpries....Brooks...plus we would unload some of our bad contracts....so if that's right then on paper.....

Nelson/Westbrook
Brooks/Redick
????/Harper/Liggins
Humpries/Nicholson
Lopez/O'Quinn

Ok i left Humpries in because i like him a bit better than Big Baby to be quite honest but Baby could still be in that spot though......like i said before that would probably be how it would look for this upcoming season...imho that's not a bad team to roll into the 2013-14 off-season with......our weakest position would be Small Forward....isn't there a big time small forward that could be had in that Free Agent class.....Add said player and we would be imo a team with solid players at every position with a talented bench......

I can understand the apprehension but face it we're not going to get nothing but allstars in return for Dwight....might as well get the MOST value....sorry but Bynum by himself isn't the MOST value you can get for Dwight.....if we made that deal the Lakers would feel like they got away with robbery....but hey i could be wrong....i wonder if the numbers work out though?

So you'd rather become the equivalent of last year's Nets, except WITHOUT DERON, than grab the #2 center in the NBA who plenty of experts feel is just scratching the surface of his potential?

One word...
Wow.

[woosah]

sigh. Man oh man oh man would it be a friggin riot if Dirk told Cuban to deal him here. I know it's a dream but i wonder what Dwight says then. Another random, I wonder if BK offered that package they are offering for Dwight to Cuban for Dirk, if he would take it since Dirk has hinted he doesn't want to go through a rebuild.

I just want to talk about something else other than getting a bad deal, or another bad deal to the last team that took our franchise big.

[cvMagic]

I still think Bynum for Dwight straight up is a better deal than the Nets deal.

If Bynum walks the following summer, that's fine. We'll have cap space. It's better than having Lopez and Humphries locked up in long-term deals. The prospect of building around Bynum alone is better than having Lopez and Humphries long term.

I don't want anything to do with the Nets deal. I'd rather let Dwight walk. Watching Lopez play center would be like sticking needles in your eyes. No reason to make a trade for the sake of making it.

[TDJacksonville]

id go bynum and see how his health goes for the year and resign him. hed be foolish to pass on tax free extra money.

And what if he is healthy this year, gets a big extension, and turns into Grant Hill 2.0?

And what if he plays amazing for those five years, leads us to two rings, gets another big contract and THEN gets hurt.

You're right. totally not worth it.

Chicago should cut D Rose immediately. Dwight should be banished to China for his bad back. That D Wade guy looks banged up, Miami should cut him too. How's Bosh's stomach feeling? Why risk it... break up the Heat immediately.

i agree.

[TDJacksonville]

You know what i need to see how it would work though if we did do the Nets trade...but what i'm hearing is we would get lopez...humpries....Brooks...plus we would unload some of our bad contracts....so if that's right then on paper.....

Nelson/Westbrook
Brooks/Redick
????/Harper/Liggins
Humpries/Nicholson
Lopez/O'Quinn

Ok i left Humpries in because i like him a bit better than Big Baby to be quite honest but Baby could still be in that spot though......like i said before that would probably be how it would look for this upcoming season...imho that's not a bad team to roll into the 2013-14 off-season with......our weakest position would be Small Forward....isn't there a big time small forward that could be had in that Free Agent class.....Add said player and we would be imo a team with solid players at every position with a talented bench......

I can understand the apprehension but face it we're not going to get nothing but allstars in return for Dwight....might as well get the MOST value....sorry but Bynum by himself isn't the MOST value you can get for Dwight.....if we made that deal the Lakers would feel like they got away with robbery....but hey i could be wrong....i wonder if the numbers work out though?

So you'd rather become the equivalent of last year's Nets, except WITHOUT DERON, than grab the #2 center in the NBA who plenty of experts feel is just scratching the surface of his potential?

One word...
Wow.

i agree

[Def Swami]

Some of you have no clue how good Bynum is. It's unreal.

No superstar will play here unless you have a superstar already here. Look at the NBA. The en vogue thing to do is join forces and create "Big three's". If the Magic land Bynum, then other superstars will consider playing here. If not... welcome to Mediocrityville for the next 5+ years.

Very well said. Bynum is a championship caliber center. He's a player you can build around.

i somewhat agree....but how long is it going to take to build around him?

I think they can do it in 2013. As long as they don't take on any major salary, we can sign some good players like Monta, Iggy, Harden to complement Bynum. The Magic can even trade for players on the block like Rudy Gay. And if we suck enough next season with Bynum, we can nab a lottery pick too.

You can't expect to build around Lopez and have a shot at a championship. With Bynum, he hasn't touched his prime yet. He's far more polished offensively than Dwight and he's nothing to sneeze at on defense. I like the idea of letting Bynum develop here. I've always believed that Kobe hindered Bynum's growth, but Bynum in his own team with an offense centered on him would do him a lot of good.

Bynum/BBD is already a very good front court, combining for more rings than Dwight and Ryan. Filling the perimeter players would be up to Rob.

I'm personally hoping we can get LA to deal Pau to a 3rd team while we send them Dwight and BBD or Ryan (both of who are cheaper and younger) and we can turn Pau into a good perimeter player like Rudy Gay or Andre Iguodala. Rudy/BBD/Bynum is a good frontcourt, and then sign Monta in 2013.

[Skin]

Some of you have no clue how good Bynum is. It's unreal.

No superstar will play here unless you have a superstar already here. Look at the NBA. The en vogue thing to do is join forces and create "Big three's". If the Magic land Bynum, then other superstars will consider playing here. If not... welcome to Mediocrityville for the next 5+ years.

This is a great point.

But I can't help but be scared by his chronic knee problems and his major immaturity problems.

But we can talk about him all day... we still won't get him unless Dwgiht agrees to extend with the Lakers and there is absolutely nothing to that right now.

[pogiro]

id go bynum and see how his health goes for the year and resign him. hed be foolish to pass on tax free extra money.

And what if he is healthy this year, gets a big extension, and turns into Grant Hill 2.0?

And what if he plays amazing for those five years, leads us to two rings, gets another big contract and THEN gets hurt.

You're right. totally not worth it.

Chicago should cut D Rose immediately. Dwight should be banished to China for his bad back. That D Wade guy looks banged up, Miami should cut him too. How's Bosh's stomach feeling? Why risk it... break up the Heat immediately.

You know the guy has had 1 healthy year in his 7 year career. 1.

[TDJacksonville]

Some of you have no clue how good Bynum is. It's unreal.

No superstar will play here unless you have a superstar already here. Look at the NBA. The en vogue thing to do is join forces and create "Big three's". If the Magic land Bynum, then other superstars will consider playing here. If not... welcome to Mediocrityville for the next 5+ years.

Very well said. Bynum is a championship caliber center. He's a player you can build around.

He's also a player that can set your team back a decade.

so ur telling me the Bulls Shouldnt count on Rose cuz he has Knee Problems now? the Heat shouldnt count on wade cuz hes always dinged up. etc...

risk can pay off and not npay off and i believe the max deal can be 5 years so it wouldnt be a decade of setting a team back.

[cvMagic]

Some of you have no clue how good Bynum is. It's unreal.

No superstar will play here unless you have a superstar already here. Look at the NBA. The en vogue thing to do is join forces and create "Big three's". If the Magic land Bynum, then other superstars will consider playing here. If not... welcome to Mediocrityville for the next 5+ years.

Very well said. Bynum is a championship caliber center. He's a player you can build around.

i somewhat agree....but how long is it going to take to build around him?

Honestly... about the same amount of time it would take to build a true contender around Dwight. We all wish we knew the true answer to that. But at least we'd be starting with one of the best pieces we could possibly have in a situation like this.

[pogiro]

so ur telling me the Bulls Shouldnt count on Rose cuz he has Knee Problems now? the Heat shouldnt count on wade cuz hes always dinged up. etc...

risk can pay off and not npay off and i believe the max deal can be 5 years so it wouldnt be a decade of setting a team back.

Apples and oranges. Wade and Rose are already on contenders. It's not comparable.

I'm saying if I'm the Magic I'm not as hasty to give him a new 5 year max contract as you are. Especially when Bynum is counted on as the centerpiece and the Magic need to build off of him. I was wanting the Bynum trade at some point. But considering the risk, I don't think it's worth it.

[SEBAS-07]

Andrew Bynum is not a superstar. How can a superstar gets swept while playing with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol?

[Def Swami]

Very well said. Bynum is a championship caliber center. He's a player you can build around.

i somewhat agree....but how long is it going to take to build around him?

Honestly... about the same amount of time it would take to build a true contender around Dwight. We all wish we knew the true answer to that. But at least we'd be starting with one of the best pieces we could possibly have in a situation like this.

Exactly. You wouldn't really miss a beat. We're going to struggle next year whether we have D12 or Bynum. The plan is to re-up in 2013 and I think Bynum has the potential to compete with Dwight for the NBA best big man in a year or 2. Given that, we should take the same approach as if we had D12. Clear cap for 2013 and sign studs.

[Def Swami]

Andrew Bynum is not a superstar. How can a superstar gets swept while playing with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol?

Because he plays with Kobe Bryant

If Kobe tossed the ball down low to Bynum more often, they'd probably have a deeper playoff run.

[magicman123]

Bynum is 7'1, about 300 pounds and has knee problems, it is a concern

[TDJacksonville]

And what if he is healthy this year, gets a big extension, and turns into Grant Hill 2.0?

And what if he plays amazing for those five years, leads us to two rings, gets another big contract and THEN gets hurt.

You're right. totally not worth it.

Chicago should cut D Rose immediately. Dwight should be banished to China for his bad back. That D Wade guy looks banged up, Miami should cut him too. How's Bosh's stomach feeling? Why risk it... break up the Heat immediately.

You know the guy has had 1 healthy year in his 7 year career. 1.

u realize he was healthy in 2005, 2006, 2010(only had a brusied knee that made him miss 1 game), 2011(missed 1 game with an ankle injury).

[cvMagic]

Andrew Bynum is not a superstar. How can a superstar gets swept while playing with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol?

yeah... but by that rationale Kobe Bryant's not a superstar either. A Dwight Howard led team got bounced in the first round by atlanta last year. We don't discount him as a player because of that.

[SolidSnake008]

You know what i need to see how it would work though if we did do the Nets trade...but what i'm hearing is we would get lopez...humpries....Brooks...plus we would unload some of our bad contracts....so if that's right then on paper.....

Nelson/Westbrook
Brooks/Redick
????/Harper/Liggins
Humpries/Nicholson
Lopez/O'Quinn

Ok i left Humpries in because i like him a bit better than Big Baby to be quite honest but Baby could still be in that spot though......like i said before that would probably be how it would look for this upcoming season...imho that's not a bad team to roll into the 2013-14 off-season with......our weakest position would be Small Forward....isn't there a big time small forward that could be had in that Free Agent class.....Add said player and we would be imo a team with solid players at every position with a talented bench......

I can understand the apprehension but face it we're not going to get nothing but allstars in return for Dwight....might as well get the MOST value....sorry but Bynum by himself isn't the MOST value you can get for Dwight.....if we made that deal the Lakers would feel like they got away with robbery....but hey i could be wrong....i wonder if the numbers work out though?

So you'd rather become the equivalent of last year's Nets, except WITHOUT DERON, than grab the #2 center in the NBA who plenty of experts feel is just scratching the surface of his potential?

One word...
Wow.

So getting Bynum changes everything? it doesn't....it's not a quick fix...we get Bynum we're still what 3 years away from contending? Bynum alone does not makes a contender.....why would we deal Dwight for Bynum straight up? that makes no sense whatsoever....Either way the lakers aren't going to do anything before Dwight comes out and says that he would resign with them.....if Dwight keeps his mouth shut and his camp keeps saying Brooklyn then we aren't trading to the Lakers for sure.....Lakers would be stupid to trade for Dwight without some kind of assurance that he would resign.....

[TDJacksonville]

so ur telling me the Bulls Shouldnt count on Rose cuz he has Knee Problems now? the Heat shouldnt count on wade cuz hes always dinged up. etc...

risk can pay off and not npay off and i believe the max deal can be 5 years so it wouldnt be a decade of setting a team back.

Apples and oranges. Wade and Rose are already on contenders. It's not comparable.

I'm saying if I'm the Magic I'm not as hasty to give him a new 5 year max contract as you are. Especially when Bynum is counted on as the centerpiece and the Magic need to build off of him. I was wanting the Bynum trade at some point. But considering the risk, I don't think it's worth it.

if u had read my first post it said i would Let Bynum play the whole year before i would give him an extension to prove his knee was good. worse case some team signs and trades with us for him.

[SEBAS-07]

Andrew Bynum is not a superstar. How can a superstar gets swept while playing with Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol?

Because he plays with Kobe Bryant

If Kobe tossed the ball down low to Bynum more often, they'd probably have a deeper playoff run.

I guarantee you a real superstar (Dwight) would not get swept if you put him in Bynum`s place.