Official Speculation Thread (Pt. LVI - NBA Draft Edition)

[RickB-Orlando]

That's pathetic. Glad I wasn't a realgmr then. For Justin fng Harper.

If you had complained, you would have been one of the few, if not the only one. At the time all anyone talked about was his untapped potential.

Then people gagged about the fact that he didn't get any runtime and a chance to show what he could do.

It wasn't a bunch of complaints, and frankly a couple of second rounders is not a huge investment. Of everything Otis did, this was probably among the least impactful. How many second round picks really have an extended and productive NBA shelf life anyway?

[RickB-Orlando]

Jameer shot chart vs. Bledsoe shot chart 2012-2013 season.

780 shots, 169 at rim and 84 3-10 feet (32% of shots in or near paint) vs 568 shots, 238 at rim and 103 3-10 feet (60% of shots in or near paint.

(images removed for brevity's sake)

I know you're not keen on Bledsoe (or at least, I get that impression) but isn't this a good thing? Getting rid of the chucked mentality and driving the hoop?

To me adding Bledsoe give us a young Point that we can evaluate for a year at the cost of a guy (Afflalo) that will fit better where he can defer to a first and second scorer. There's nothing inherently wrong with AA, but this team probably isn't the best situation for him or his game.

It could also allow us to transition Jameer into a sixth man role, one I think he is perfectly suited for as he ages. Instant offense off the bench, less wear and tear, he can burn off twenty minutes of energy every night at full bore, set an example to the kids, and continue to provide key leadership.

The side effect of how we can morph Jameer's spot on the club is another reason to consider this, in my opinion.

[Ducklett]

Why do we need Bledsoe now? Why can't we wait till next summer and keep all of our assets?

because if he blows up, there is virtually no chance of getting him, while PG remains a giant problem, in regards to our future

If he blows up (highly unlikely), then you don't offer him a contract, you move on to the next one. Point guard might be one of the easiest positions to fill today. Just think, this year there are Burke, mcw, McCollum, Schroeder, Larkin... Next year there are hill, Harrison, smart at the very least. In free agency there are collison, and Teague... Via trade there are Teague, wroten, Reggie Jackson... All could be had for the right price, and I'm not sure Bledsoe is better than any of those. So why overpay when we have a point guard we are paying 8 million for another season? There is absolutely no need for it

Oh and the difference between oladipo and moe at the 2 is that dipo is an actual two, while moe barely has skills to be an effective 3. Oladipo also has a nonstop motor, a trait I have yet to see harkless show us he has... And I'm not even a fan of oladipo, and not a moe hater either

Sure, lets draft Oladipo and trade Moe for the highest 2nd round pick we can, if we are lucky enough to get even that!

Not a hater, but stay he barely has the skills to be an effective 3... Wow.

People keep invoking the "motor" of people. Could you give me a quantifiable explanation as to how Harkless (Who played his butt off out there) has a poor motor, but Oladipo has a nonstop motor?

[fendilim]

That's pathetic. Glad I wasn't a realgmr then. For Justin fng Harper.

If you had complained, you would have been one of the few, if not the only one. At the time all anyone talked about was his untapped potential.

Then people gagged about the fact that he didn't get any runtime and a chance to show what he could do.

It wasn't a bunch of complaints, and frankly a couple of second rounders is not a huge investment. Of everything Otis did, this was probably among the least impactful. How many second round picks really have an extended and productive NBA shelf life anyway?

Was never thrilled with Harper but we actually got a good draft grade for every media outlet. In fact, i later found out he was actually projected to be a first rounder

[G-Heel]

Do you guys know what's a Restricted FA is? If Magic wants Bledsoe, why not wait until next season, you asked? Because whichever team has him will match any reasonable contract for him. That's why.

and guess wat guys if u offer more money on the player than wat they think hes worth they will decline

And how does that work out for teams in the past? If Bledsoe is gonna be good enough for us to try to get him, we'll end up overpaying him greatly or won't be able to get him at all. You'll be surprised how much teams will overpay to keep their assets.

[Blue_and_Whte]

because if he blows up, there is virtually no chance of getting him, while PG remains a giant problem, in regards to our future

If he blows up (highly unlikely), then you don't offer him a contract, you move on to the next one. Point guard might be one of the easiest positions to fill today. Just think, this year there are Burke, mcw, McCollum, Schroeder, Larkin... Next year there are hill, Harrison, smart at the very least. In free agency there are collison, and Teague... Via trade there are Teague, wroten, Reggie Jackson... All could be had for the right price, and I'm not sure Bledsoe is better than any of those. So why overpay when we have a point guard we are paying 8 million for another season? There is absolutely no need for it

Oh and the difference between oladipo and moe at the 2 is that dipo is an actual two, while moe barely has skills to be an effective 3. Oladipo also has a nonstop motor, a trait I have yet to see harkless show us he has... And I'm not even a fan of oladipo, and not a moe hater either

Sure, lets draft Oladipo and trade Moe for the highest 2nd round pick we can, if we are lucky enough to get even that!

Not a hater, but stay he barely has the skills to be an effective 3... Wow.

People keep invoking the "motor" of people. Could you give me a quantifiable explanation as to how Harkless (Who played his butt off out there) has a poor motor, but Oladipo has a nonstop motor?

Exactly!

[ZeusIsLoose]

Question: would if the Bledsoe trade was Moore and a Future First instead of Nicholson and a future first? Would you do that?

[ZeusIsLoose]

To be clear: Obvioulsy Afflalo is included in the above trade

[Optimus_Steel]

People inside the league have expressed concern over Andrew's gait and age and how it could hamper his development.

Tim Duncan has a gait and age.

That's BS. They don't think a 23 year old in his 2nd season with tremendous touch, post game, and footwork will not improve because he walks a little funny? The guy is already one of the best/crafty post scorers in the league. Maybe more big guys should walk around funny.

[RYgoBOOM]

Why do we need Bledsoe now? Why can't we wait till next summer and keep all of our assets?

because if he blows up, there is virtually no chance of getting him, while PG remains a giant problem, in regards to our future

If he blows up (highly unlikely), then you don't offer him a contract, you move on to the next one. Point guard might be one of the easiest positions to fill today. Just think, this year there are Burke, mcw, McCollum, Schroeder, Larkin... Next year there are hill, Harrison, smart at the very least. In free agency there are collison, and Teague... Via trade there are Teague, wroten, Reggie Jackson... All could be had for the right price, and I'm not sure Bledsoe is better than any of those. So why overpay when we have a point guard we are paying 8 million for another season? There is absolutely no need for it

Oh and the difference between oladipo and moe at the 2 is that dipo is an actual two, while moe barely has skills to be an effective 3. Oladipo also has a nonstop motor, a trait I have yet to see harkless show us he has... And I'm not even a fan of oladipo, and not a moe hater either

Every time I see you post it's basically saying trade Moe Harkless for someone like fkn Andrew Declerq....

You constantly undervalue moe so seeing you post this doesn't really surprise me.


And your Harkless motor rant makes me want to stick my face in a blender..... Where do you get that he doesn't have one? He's already been busting his ass this summer.....wonder who's motor he borrowed to strive to get better, in his "1st" actual off season.

[Swiftraven]

I am curious about the Bledsoe trade.

The guy is maybe 6ft tall and his assists to TO ratio is not impressive.
Pretty sure that everyones complaint about Jameer over the years is that he is too short and shoots too much.

Isn't Bledsoe just a younger Meer?

[arsenal6106]

I cant be the only one thinking about drinking Hennessy on draft night.

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[Blue_and_Whte]

I am curious about the Bledsoe trade.

The guy is maybe 6ft tall and his assists to TO ratio is not impressive.
Pretty sure that everyones complaint about Jameer over the years is that he is too short and shoots too much.

Isn't Bledsoe just a younger Meer?

There isnt even a remote similarity to Bledsoe and Jameer in terms of their abilities. First, Bledsoe has elite, explosive athleticism, he's a very good perimeter defender, He's 6'0.25 without shoes 6'1.5 with shoes. He's not a good three point shooter so he doesnt "shoot too much" he's actually more inclined to drive the ball. The only similarity is that they're both "scoring" PG's.

Jameer is the better passer and shooter than Bledsoe.

[NEM]

because if he blows up, there is virtually no chance of getting him, while PG remains a giant problem, in regards to our future

If he blows up (highly unlikely), then you don't offer him a contract, you move on to the next one. Point guard might be one of the easiest positions to fill today. Just think, this year there are Burke, mcw, McCollum, Schroeder, Larkin... Next year there are hill, Harrison, smart at the very least. In free agency there are collison, and Teague... Via trade there are Teague, wroten, Reggie Jackson... All could be had for the right price, and I'm not sure Bledsoe is better than any of those. So why overpay when we have a point guard we are paying 8 million for another season? There is absolutely no need for it

Oh and the difference between oladipo and moe at the 2 is that dipo is an actual two, while moe barely has skills to be an effective 3. Oladipo also has a nonstop motor, a trait I have yet to see harkless show us he has... And I'm not even a fan of oladipo, and not a moe hater either

Sure, lets draft Oladipo and trade Moe for the highest 2nd round pick we can, if we are lucky enough to get even that!

Not a hater, but stay he barely has the skills to be an effective 3... Wow.

People keep invoking the "motor" of people. Could you give me a quantifiable explanation as to how Harkless (Who played his butt off out there) has a poor motor, but Oladipo has a nonstop motor?

I never said trade him. I said his skills barely justify playing him at 3 let alone 2. He can't shoot as evidenced by his three point and free throw percentage. He can't dribble, as evidenced by his shot chart which shows you that 79% of his attempts came from the corner 3 and within 8 feet from the basket. That tells me that they can only find him open in those corners and he can't create for himself.

He played his butt off? I don't think I EVER saw him dive for a loose ball, chase down a block, be aggressive in trying to get open on offense. I saw him roaming around that corner 3 and OCCASIONALLY dunk the ball. His effort seemed lazy-ish to me. Oladipo goes balls to the wall all the time, kind of like afflalo.

Again, not a fan of oladipo, and not a hater or moe, but get your facts straight.

[Nyce_1]

I cant be the only one thinking about drinking Hennessy on draft night.

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Great minds....

Got my bottle ready.

Were Kawhi Leonard or Luol Deng good shooters coming into the draft? Nope; but they worked at it and became respectable. Some would even say they're deadly when left wide open off of penetration & kick. I see Oladipo in the same mold.

[NEM]

because if he blows up, there is virtually no chance of getting him, while PG remains a giant problem, in regards to our future

If he blows up (highly unlikely), then you don't offer him a contract, you move on to the next one. Point guard might be one of the easiest positions to fill today. Just think, this year there are Burke, mcw, McCollum, Schroeder, Larkin... Next year there are hill, Harrison, smart at the very least. In free agency there are collison, and Teague... Via trade there are Teague, wroten, Reggie Jackson... All could be had for the right price, and I'm not sure Bledsoe is better than any of those. So why overpay when we have a point guard we are paying 8 million for another season? There is absolutely no need for it

Oh and the difference between oladipo and moe at the 2 is that dipo is an actual two, while moe barely has skills to be an effective 3. Oladipo also has a nonstop motor, a trait I have yet to see harkless show us he has... And I'm not even a fan of oladipo, and not a moe hater either

Every time I see you post it's basically saying trade Moe Harkless for someone like fkn Andrew Declerq....

You constantly undervalue moe so seeing you post this doesn't really surprise me.


And your Harkless motor rant makes me want to stick my face in a blender..... Where do you get that he doesn't have one? He's already been busting his ass this summer.....wonder who's motor he borrowed to strive to get better, in his "1st" actual off season.

I NEVER said trade moe. Never ever ever. I'd trade him if we are getting an all star in return, but that's just about ANY player.

In my opinion, you should stick your face in a blender if you feel this strongly about these things. Where is your proof that he has been busting his ass this summer? Do you know him personally so you can vouch for him? Do you have pictures to prove he has been busting his ass? How about some video? Cause all I have seen on instagram is him playing ps3 and paint balling.

Let me guess y'all think he's the next Paul George? Rudy gay? Andre iguodala?

[RYgoBOOM]

If he blows up (highly unlikely), then you don't offer him a contract, you move on to the next one. Point guard might be one of the easiest positions to fill today. Just think, this year there are Burke, mcw, McCollum, Schroeder, Larkin... Next year there are hill, Harrison, smart at the very least. In free agency there are collison, and Teague... Via trade there are Teague, wroten, Reggie Jackson... All could be had for the right price, and I'm not sure Bledsoe is better than any of those. So why overpay when we have a point guard we are paying 8 million for another season? There is absolutely no need for it

Oh and the difference between oladipo and moe at the 2 is that dipo is an actual two, while moe barely has skills to be an effective 3. Oladipo also has a nonstop motor, a trait I have yet to see harkless show us he has... And I'm not even a fan of oladipo, and not a moe hater either

Sure, lets draft Oladipo and trade Moe for the highest 2nd round pick we can, if we are lucky enough to get even that!

Not a hater, but stay he barely has the skills to be an effective 3... Wow.

People keep invoking the "motor" of people. Could you give me a quantifiable explanation as to how Harkless (Who played his butt off out there) has a poor motor, but Oladipo has a nonstop motor?

I never said trade him. I said his skills barely justify playing him at 3 let alone 2. He can't shoot as evidenced by his three point and free throw percentage. He can't dribble, as evidenced by his shot chart which shows you that 79% of his attempts came from the corner 3 and within 8 feet from the basket. That tells me that they can only find him open in those corners and he can't create for himself.

He played his butt off? I don't think I EVER saw him dive for a loose ball, chase down a block, be aggressive in trying to get open on offense. I saw him roaming around that corner 3 and OCCASIONALLY dunk the ball. His effort seemed lazy-ish to me. Oladipo goes balls to the wall all the time, kind of like afflalo.

Again, not a fan of oladipo, and not a hater or moe, but get your facts straight.

I went to something like 29 home games this year and saw him play in person to form my opinion. My "facts" are my own opinion of him vs yours. Who else is to judge how hard he plays besides his coach? Didn't seem to get pulled from games from any of your reasoning?

Moe isn't some offensive power force but he showed PLENTY of signs of huge improvement over the course of the year. On top of that he still hasn't even had a NBA off season or training camp to improve his game. He was injured and then got thrown into the starting lineup after playing C/PF for most of his minutes in college.


When Henny keeps Moe and passes on Oladipo maybe you will put a little more trust in the kid....till then, your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it 100%, I just disagree with you 100%.

[NEM]

I sure hope he passes on oladipo cause I don't want him. I want Noel or mclemore. IMO moe got more minutes, he didn't really improve. He did the same things all year, he just got more minutes to do those things in so his numbers went up. His per36 and percentages stayed the same all year, outside of the stretch where he was shooting 40% from three, but that was brought back down to earth after he finished the season shooting 9%. Remember how early in the year when we were basically .500 moe played 16 mpg... Then we started losing and his minutes skyrocketed? Management and coaching (as well as myself) didn't think he should be benched when we are losing because they're trying to develop him. He still showed lack of effort for whatever reason, but that's not reason enough to bench a rookie when your team is losing.

[NEM]

You can go to as many games as you want... I watched the games on tv at home, and saw the same things you saw at amway center... It's not like the cameras change what the players are doing..

[Blue_and_Whte]

Sure, lets draft Oladipo and trade Moe for the highest 2nd round pick we can, if we are lucky enough to get even that!

Not a hater, but stay he barely has the skills to be an effective 3... Wow.

People keep invoking the "motor" of people. Could you give me a quantifiable explanation as to how Harkless (Who played his butt off out there) has a poor motor, but Oladipo has a nonstop motor?

I never said trade him. I said his skills barely justify playing him at 3 let alone 2. He can't shoot as evidenced by his three point and free throw percentage. He can't dribble, as evidenced by his shot chart which shows you that 79% of his attempts came from the corner 3 and within 8 feet from the basket. That tells me that they can only find him open in those corners and he can't create for himself.

He played his butt off? I don't think I EVER saw him dive for a loose ball, chase down a block, be aggressive in trying to get open on offense. I saw him roaming around that corner 3 and OCCASIONALLY dunk the ball. His effort seemed lazy-ish to me. Oladipo goes balls to the wall all the time, kind of like afflalo.

Again, not a fan of oladipo, and not a hater or moe, but get your facts straight.

I went to something like 29 home games this year and saw him play in person to form my opinion. My "facts" are my own opinion of him vs yours. Who else is to judge how hard he plays besides his coach? Didn't seem to get pulled from games from any of your reasoning?

Moe isn't some offensive power force but he showed PLENTY of signs of huge improvement over the course of the year. On top of that he still hasn't even had a NBA off season or training camp to improve his game. He was injured and then got thrown into the starting lineup after playing C/PF for most of his minutes in college.


When Henny keeps Moe and passes on Oladipo maybe you will put a little more trust in the kid....till then, your opinion is yours and you are entitled to it 100%, I just disagree with you 100%.

Literally I saw Moe do all of those things NEM said he didn't do and then some. That's complete nonsense dude. Harkless blocked shots, rebounded, scored off of straight line drives and even developed a little corner three (although still not his strength), while guarding the opposing teams best wing players...at 19 years old.

I dont toot my horn often but I was 100% correct about Harkless last year prior to the draft and I'll happily give myself credit.