2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[flranger]

why do magic want maxey? 7 of top 10 prospects in 2021 are guards you dont see magic drafting one?

This front office.....? Yah, they will take the developmental PF project with highest upside.

[IllMagic04]

why do magic want maxey? 7 of top 10 prospects in 2021 are guards you dont see magic drafting one?
and you think maxey will ever be as good as ross or fournier? because that pick has high chance of player that never plays odds are against it

Evan is gone anyway. Its all about getting value for him. I agree that trading Ross is a tough one but also keep in mind all the guys besides Maxey in the deal proposed are expiring. So we end up with a young piece, picks ( Id ask for another one) and cap relief to move foward. Maxey being better then either of them is a limited view of the proposed deal.

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[Knightro]

*Of course* the Magic would do Fournier to Philly for Danny Green’s expiring and Maxey. Pick up a young guard on a cheap contract for a guy you can’t resign without barreling deep into the luxury tax? No brainer.

But would Philly do that? Doubtful.

[orlando_joe]

why do magic want maxey? 7 of top 10 prospects in 2021 are guards you dont see magic drafting one?
and you think maxey will ever be as good as ross or fournier? because that pick has high chance of player that never plays odds are against it

Evan is gone anyway. Its all about getting value for him. I agree that trading Ross is a tough one but also keep in mind all the guys besides Maxey in the deal proposed are expiring. So we end up with a young piece, picks ( Id ask for another one) and cap relief to move foward. Maxey being better then either of them is a limited view of the proposed deal.

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what good is cap relief? ...lol..the only player magic should move for cap relief is aminu..if you can get a 2nd for birch or ennis they should do that..to throw at team to take aminu and or 5 mill cash for room..to have room to sign fournier under tax

[zaymon]

why do magic want maxey? 7 of top 10 prospects in 2021 are guards you dont see magic drafting one?
and you think maxey will ever be as good as ross or fournier? because that pick has high chance of player that never plays odds are against it

Evan is gone anyway. Its all about getting value for him. I agree that trading Ross is a tough one but also keep in mind all the guys besides Maxey in the deal proposed are expiring. So we end up with a young piece, picks ( Id ask for another one) and cap relief to move foward. Maxey being better then either of them is a limited view of the proposed deal.

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what good is cap relief? ...lol..the only player magic should move for cap relief is aminu..if you can get a 2nd for birch or ennis they should do that..to throw at team to take aminu and or 5 mill cash for room..to have room to sign fournier under tax

Am i the only person who likes Aminu and think he looks good after returning from injury ? You can also hear he is a veteran leader, class act. 10M for starter quality forward is a bargain. We have other forwards to move.

[orlando_joe]

Evan is gone anyway. Its all about getting value for him. I agree that trading Ross is a tough one but also keep in mind all the guys besides Maxey in the deal proposed are expiring. So we end up with a young piece, picks ( Id ask for another one) and cap relief to move foward. Maxey being better then either of them is a limited view of the proposed deal.

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what good is cap relief? ...lol..the only player magic should move for cap relief is aminu..if you can get a 2nd for birch or ennis they should do that..to throw at team to take aminu and or 5 mill cash for room..to have room to sign fournier under tax

Am i the only person who likes Aminu and think he looks good after returning from injury ? You can also hear he is a veteran leader, class act. 10M for starter quality forward is a bargain. We have other forwards to move.

he has done well and if magic do move on from ag then magic should keep him ..but i think magic should not take low offer for ag and keep him for next yr and see how team plays healthy and have option to sign fournier ..aminu contract is in way of that ..if you said pick between keeping ag and fournier or moving aminu...its move aminu

[zaymon]

what good is cap relief? ...lol..the only player magic should move for cap relief is aminu..if you can get a 2nd for birch or ennis they should do that..to throw at team to take aminu and or 5 mill cash for room..to have room to sign fournier under tax

Am i the only person who likes Aminu and think he looks good after returning from injury ? You can also hear he is a veteran leader, class act. 10M for starter quality forward is a bargain. We have other forwards to move.

he has done well and if magic do move on from ag then magic should keep him ..but i think magic should not take low offer for ag and keep him for next yr and see how team plays healthy and have option to sign fournier ..aminu contract is in way of that ..if you said pick between keeping ag and fournier or moving aminu...its move aminu

I would move AG and Bamba before moving Aminu. I dont think AG value will go up. He shot the ball well for his standards this season, i fear the regression is coming. Perfect scenario is waiting with Gordon for consolidation trade but thats propably more risky than trading him for slightly below average value. I dont think AG is allstar in disguise and i dont think AG/JI is great pairing.

[Skybox]

I like Ross a lot, but I'd do that PHI deal in a second...Maxey steps right into the 2nd team scoring role (at least), we pick up another late first and we clear some salary at the same time...Before you shout "why do we need cap space, no one will sign here" -it's always better to have cap room for flexibility in trades, so a little here and there helps (especially when it's just cherry on top of a good trade). I'm coming around to the idea that TRoss's flame throwing is probably holding back some second unit cohesion and player development. He gets the ball and shoots...I think he's capable of being a much more balanced player, but why should he want to if Cliff endorses his fire off the bench playground style role? It's probably fun.

I like Maxey, I like his contract and I recognize that Evan isn't going to bring much back despite his talent.

[Nyce_1]

Evan is gone anyway. Its all about getting value for him. I agree that trading Ross is a tough one but also keep in mind all the guys besides Maxey in the deal proposed are expiring. So we end up with a young piece, picks ( Id ask for another one) and cap relief to move foward. Maxey being better then either of them is a limited view of the proposed deal.

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what good is cap relief? ...lol..the only player magic should move for cap relief is aminu..if you can get a 2nd for birch or ennis they should do that..to throw at team to take aminu and or 5 mill cash for room..to have room to sign fournier under tax

Am i the only person who likes Aminu and think he looks good after returning from injury ? You can also hear he is a veteran leader, class act. 10M for starter quality forward is a bargain. We have other forwards to move.

I agree. He's a solid presence. You only move him for relief if your goal is to avoid tax while keeping Fournier. And even in that instance, tax bill isn't calculated until end of the season so he could always be flipped to a contending team as an expiring.

[RookieStar]

what good is cap relief? ...lol..the only player magic should move for cap relief is aminu..if you can get a 2nd for birch or ennis they should do that..to throw at team to take aminu and or 5 mill cash for room..to have room to sign fournier under tax

Am i the only person who likes Aminu and think he looks good after returning from injury ? You can also hear he is a veteran leader, class act. 10M for starter quality forward is a bargain. We have other forwards to move.

I agree. He's a solid presence. You only move him for relief if your goal is to avoid tax while keeping Fournier. And even in that instance, tax bill isn't calculated until end of the season so he could always be flipped to a contending team as an expiring.

Not only that, but I have to be sure he is ok playing 2nd fiddle aka the bench and not grumbling knowing that JI is our starting PF and that we are drafting our future wing in Cade ( hopefully )

[Bensational]

Evan is gone anyway. Its all about getting value for him. I agree that trading Ross is a tough one but also keep in mind all the guys besides Maxey in the deal proposed are expiring. So we end up with a young piece, picks ( Id ask for another one) and cap relief to move foward. Maxey being better then either of them is a limited view of the proposed deal.

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what good is cap relief? ...lol..the only player magic should move for cap relief is aminu..if you can get a 2nd for birch or ennis they should do that..to throw at team to take aminu and or 5 mill cash for room..to have room to sign fournier under tax

Am i the only person who likes Aminu and think he looks good after returning from injury ? You can also hear he is a veteran leader, class act. 10M for starter quality forward is a bargain. We have other forwards to move.

You certainly seem like one of the few who seems to think -

- Aminu looks good, let alone starting quality.
- we can build a contender around Vuc.
- Fournier is an elite SG.
- the team tanked for the last 2 seasons despite being in an all out playoff chase.
- trading AG will cure all those problems.

It certainly doesn’t marry with my evaluation of the past few seasons.

[ARandomStranger]

I think the only thing that I would agree with is building around Vuc. Vuc, for all intents and purposes even with all his flaws, is a dynamic offensive big. If we could put players around him who could hide his defensive issues and maximize his strengths we could be a top 5 team in the East, the issue is getting players to do that, and the incompetence of this front office. There are very few bigs, outside of superstars, who can hit threes, play in the paint, and play in the mid-range, and the majority of those that can are literally the best in their position. So it is not an unfounded prospect that he could be the center piece, but the problem is we need a second elite guy, and quality roleplayers. We don't have a second elite guy, none of these players have that talent. A few quality roleplayers like Ross and MCW, but no real elite player to pair with Vuc. Fournier is an embarrassment, Ennis is too streaky, and all of our 4s have major injury issues.

If this was a smart management team we would have jettisoned contracts at the start of free agency to take advantage of the small window we have left to be at least good, and try to compete. Or do what I wanted to do and get absolutely bad, and just rebuild for a few years. This middling crap we are doing doesn't work in any sport and hoping the injury bug doesn't bite you is always a bad move, a good team should have the talent to coast along even if injuries stack up, and this team proved it is not good as constructed. So...rebuild or build around Vuc. There are not other alternatives if we want to be good now or in the future. However, I've seen enough over the last few season to believe this team will stay put, and just let Evan walk and Gordon will do the same the following year. Either way the picks we get back from being middling won't pan out and all the management will be purged. It will be a rinse and repeat that we have had ever since Dwight got traded.

[Bensational]

Vuc and Isaac are a tandem, because they both compliment each other well. I think there’s a very successful front court there if Isaac can stay healthy.

If we draft a player who can have an immediate impact but with high upside anywhere in the spectrum of SGA - Ja - Tatum - Simmons - Mitchell - Luka and add it to that front court we are positioned well.

So I don’t think there’s a need to trade Vuc just to wipe him off the team. If he’s required in a deal to move up on the draft, then he should be on the table. But planning to add one of the top picks in this draft to that front court is hard to fault.

Fournier I would rather replace with another strong and multi positional defensive player to help Isaac, who can also hit the 3.

PG will become our next big issue. Cole looks very promising, but DJ/Jameer seems like his ceiling to me. 6th man/spot starter type. Fultz is just on a very rocky road with thick fog. No idea where he will end up but it hasn’t been great so far.

If we can parlay Gordon + Fournier + Fultz into a really good PG and 3&D wing to add to Vuc/Isaac/Top5 then that’s a very different team to what we’ve seen in recent years and a completely new era in Vuc’s tenure.

I don’t have any arguments against that path forward.

Edit - I’m not saying it’s my preferred option or that it even ranks that highly, but I can’t argue against it as a plan too fiercely. The Isaac injury would be my biggest pause for concern.

[Nyce_1]

Am i the only person who likes Aminu and think he looks good after returning from injury ? You can also hear he is a veteran leader, class act. 10M for starter quality forward is a bargain. We have other forwards to move.

I agree. He's a solid presence. You only move him for relief if your goal is to avoid tax while keeping Fournier. And even in that instance, tax bill isn't calculated until end of the season so he could always be flipped to a contending team as an expiring.

Not only that, but I have to be sure he is ok playing 2nd fiddle aka the bench and not grumbling knowing that JI is our starting PF and that we are drafting our future wing in Cade ( hopefully )

You know what, that's true. What if we are lucky enough to get Cade, Evan better understand his role.

[zaymon]

what good is cap relief? ...lol..the only player magic should move for cap relief is aminu..if you can get a 2nd for birch or ennis they should do that..to throw at team to take aminu and or 5 mill cash for room..to have room to sign fournier under tax

Am i the only person who likes Aminu and think he looks good after returning from injury ? You can also hear he is a veteran leader, class act. 10M for starter quality forward is a bargain. We have other forwards to move.

You certainly seem like one of the few who seems to think -

- Aminu looks good, let alone starting quality.
- we can build a contender around Vuc.
- Fournier is an elite SG.
- the team tanked for the last 2 seasons despite being in an all out playoff chase.
- trading AG will cure all those problems.

It certainly doesn’t marry with my evaluation of the past few seasons.

- Aminu WAS a starter on WCF team there is no guessing involved
- we can build contender with Vucevic being second option
- Fournier is above average starter
- team tanked in Bamba season, thats a fact. Only biased posters deny that becouse it dont fit the agenda( nobody said we tanked last 2 seasons)
- trading AG wont solve all problems but many problems. We have glut of forwards, he doesnt fit with JI, he shouldnt create shot for himself, he is not a good floor spacer, not a good team defender

I dont know why you have to manipulate so much. You cant say you dont remember what i wrote, you can check anytime.

[RookieStar]

I agree. He's a solid presence. You only move him for relief if your goal is to avoid tax while keeping Fournier. And even in that instance, tax bill isn't calculated until end of the season so he could always be flipped to a contending team as an expiring.

Not only that, but I have to be sure he is ok playing 2nd fiddle aka the bench and not grumbling knowing that JI is our starting PF and that we are drafting our future wing in Cade ( hopefully )

You know what, that's true. What if we are lucky enough to get Cade, Evan better understand his role.

But we know he will thus he has to go. His ego cant stand it. probably goes for Aminu as well.

[DiplomaticMagic]

I really want to get Nesmith from Boston.

I wonder if Boston would have any interest in trading for Fournier to replace Heyward.

I want Nesmith but dont think he should be the key player in a Vuc trade lol

[Skybox]

I really want to get Nesmith from Boston.

I wonder if Boston would have any interest in trading for Fournier to replace Heyward.

I want Nesmith but dont think he should be the key player in a Vuc trade lol

Nesmith is one of the guys I'm semi-obsessed with. BOS has that TPE and they really need to make a win-now move, IMO. Ainge is getting some heat for sitting on his hands and has two young stars (borderline superstars). I think AG would solve a lot of their problems...D, toughness, ball movement...and he's totally available. Nesmith hasn't really shown anything yet but his elite stroke and physical profile looks perfect for us. I don't think Nesmith is "better" than AG (and may never be) but if he becomes a more athletic Kyle Korver or maybe another tough, heady Joe Harris...we got a nice piece. I doubt Evan gets that done with his expiring status.

[ARandomStranger]

The problem with trading with Boston is how they want to hoodwink any trade partner they take on. They want to be the unconditional winner with no recourse. I would love to get Nesmith as getting him would add to wing depth which is a glaring hole we have. I want to build around Vuc, but I feel it is too late. We needed to start that two years ago when he began to peak, the window is much more narrow now, and it scares me to think of what is going to happen two years from now. If Vuc is still playing well do we resign him or let him walk. I suppose that is a time away, but I think of such things.

I think the safer route is full fire sale, full rebuild, but I doubt this FO has the balls.

[jonbob17]

In The Ringer's Power Rankings today. They claimed Miami, San Antonio, Boston, and Charlotte are expressing signifiant interest in Vuc. While the Hornets also like Fournier, and Denver sniffing around Ross.

My favorite Vuc trade idea is still with San Antonio, Aldridge, Vassel, and a pick for Vuc, giving the Magic what I had as a top 5 player from the last draft (at a position of need) and an expiring contract to free up a good bit of cap space. Keldon / White also interesting pieces. White is a bit older though.

Denver - Ross for RJ Hampton. Yes please.