ImageImageImageImage

Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread

Moderators: UCF, Knightro, UCFJayBird, Def Swami, Howard Mass, ChosenSavior

User avatar
Xatticus
Head Coach
Posts: 6,793
And1: 8,282
Joined: Feb 18, 2016
Location: the land of the blind
         

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#701 » by Xatticus » Tue Mar 9, 2021 2:39 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Ah wait.. I get it now. You are wondering how come Frank the Tank got drafter higher than where Garza is projected to be when they are "supposedly" have the same skillset?

Well... look at Frank now. Sure he is probably a rotational NBA player but was he worth his draft slot? That's a no and I think 99% would agree. Thus, people learn their lesson and sure Garza could be a rotational NBA player but not at Frank's draft slot.

One would think
Spoiler:
Image
Image

#NETRATING!!


I get that you have no time for advanced statistical analysis and all, but you do know what wins and losses are? You do understand that at the end of the game, the team with more points is the winner... right? Surely that’s not sailing over your head?
"Xatticus has always been, in my humble opinion best poster here. Should write articles or something."
-pepe1991
User avatar
Blue_and_Whte
RealGM
Posts: 24,666
And1: 9,554
Joined: Jun 26, 2009
Location: Orlando, FL.
     

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#702 » by Blue_and_Whte » Tue Mar 9, 2021 5:16 pm

Xatticus wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Ah wait.. I get it now. You are wondering how come Frank the Tank got drafter higher than where Garza is projected to be when they are "supposedly" have the same skillset?

Well... look at Frank now. Sure he is probably a rotational NBA player but was he worth his draft slot? That's a no and I think 99% would agree. Thus, people learn their lesson and sure Garza could be a rotational NBA player but not at Frank's draft slot.

One would think
Spoiler:
Image
Image

#NETRATING!!


I get that you have no time for advanced statistical analysis and all, but you do know what wins and losses are? You do understand that at the end of the game, the team with more points is the winner... right? Surely that’s not sailing over your head?

:lol: A garbage time player has no barring on wins and losses.
Faith, Family, & Orlando Magic
#2A
#Adopt
#MAGA
Magicfanatic82
Junior
Posts: 428
And1: 200
Joined: Oct 18, 2020

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#703 » by Magicfanatic82 » Tue Mar 9, 2021 10:49 pm

This guy does a good series of video breakdowns for draft prospects. With the Ignites season ending here is the Jalen Green breakdown.

After Cade, I love his fit as a potenial scorer to replace Fournier.
User avatar
Knightro
Forum Mod - Magic
Forum Mod - Magic
Posts: 28,559
And1: 29,660
Joined: Dec 18, 2010
Location: Jersey
 

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#704 » by Knightro » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:17 am

Read on Twitter
User avatar
RookieStar
RealGM
Posts: 27,774
And1: 8,070
Joined: Jul 01, 2009
 

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#705 » by RookieStar » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:01 am

Knightro wrote:
Read on Twitter


yes... yes we are..
User avatar
drsd
RealGM
Posts: 39,183
And1: 8,946
Joined: Mar 16, 2003
     

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#706 » by drsd » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:49 am

Knightro wrote:
Read on Twitter


One can already imagine these words from Adam Silver:
And with the Sixth pick in the 2021 NBA draft, the Orlando Magic select .....



..
pepe1991
RealGM
Posts: 23,269
And1: 19,349
Joined: Jan 10, 2016
   

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#707 » by pepe1991 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:28 am

Among top 5 picks, Magic have zero reasons to draft 2. Evan Mobley and Kuminga.
Witch clears the air a lot when it comes to decision making, if they end up with top 3-5 pick.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon
User avatar
SOUL
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 58,985
And1: 40,914
Joined: Dec 11, 2006
Location: Orl★ndo
     

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#708 » by SOUL » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:07 am

pepe1991 wrote:Among top 5 picks, Magic have zero reasons to draft 2. Evan Mobley and Kuminga.
Witch clears the air a lot when it comes to decision making, if they end up with top 3-5 pick.


Right now*.

If Vuc gets traded (I don't think he will) or Gordon get traded, Kuminga and Mobley suddenly become options since I don't think Okeke has shown that he'll be a longterm starter (he could in the coming years obv). But yeah, the other 3 are ideal picks at the moment.
www.rareslums.com // please support my writing!
pepe1991
RealGM
Posts: 23,269
And1: 19,349
Joined: Jan 10, 2016
   

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#709 » by pepe1991 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:25 am

SOUL wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Among top 5 picks, Magic have zero reasons to draft 2. Evan Mobley and Kuminga.
Witch clears the air a lot when it comes to decision making, if they end up with top 3-5 pick.


Right now*.

If Vuc gets traded (I don't think he will) or Gordon get traded, Kuminga and Mobley suddenly become options since I don't think Okeke has shown that he'll be a longterm starter (he could in the coming years obv). But yeah, the other 3 are ideal picks at the moment.


Kuminga, on already existing Fultz, Isaac issues, would be terrible pick regardless of GOrdon and Vuc situation.

Guy flat out can't shoot from anywhere. He looks like MKG/ RHJ more than elite nba wing.
Guy shoots 24% from 3 point line and 62,5% FTs.

I like his potential on defense but really last thing Magic need is another incompetent offensive player.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon
OrlChamps2030
General Manager
Posts: 8,036
And1: 4,336
Joined: Jul 18, 2009
     

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#710 » by OrlChamps2030 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:11 pm

Give me Cade, Green, or Suggs
User avatar
PrimeThyme
RealGM
Posts: 10,594
And1: 14,531
Joined: May 25, 2016
Location: Doak Campbell
 

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#711 » by PrimeThyme » Wed Mar 10, 2021 2:33 pm

Knightro wrote:
Read on Twitter

The only issue is that we will be picking 6th overall or worse again. Just like the 2017 && 2018 draft which was touted as having loaded top 5 talent as well only for us to fail to secure better odds.

I see no reason to believe why this year will be any different. The last 15 games when AG comes back and teams are sitting players is when we will start playing for "culture" and moral victories.
Image
User avatar
MartinsIzAfraud
Head Coach
Posts: 6,437
And1: 4,821
Joined: Mar 07, 2017
Location: Work
   

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#712 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:04 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
SOUL wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Among top 5 picks, Magic have zero reasons to draft 2. Evan Mobley and Kuminga.
Witch clears the air a lot when it comes to decision making, if they end up with top 3-5 pick.


Right now*.

If Vuc gets traded (I don't think he will) or Gordon get traded, Kuminga and Mobley suddenly become options since I don't think Okeke has shown that he'll be a longterm starter (he could in the coming years obv). But yeah, the other 3 are ideal picks at the moment.


Kuminga, on already existing Fultz, Isaac issues, would be terrible pick regardless of GOrdon and Vuc situation.

Guy flat out can't shoot from anywhere. He looks like MKG/ RHJ more than elite nba wing.
Guy shoots 24% from 3 point line and 62,5% FTs.

I like his potential on defense but really last thing Magic need is another incompetent offensive player.

Kuminga is exactly the type of guy this FO would draft and say we'll make it work.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
User avatar
Def Swami
Forum Mod - Magic
Forum Mod - Magic
Posts: 25,997
And1: 15,390
Joined: Aug 04, 2008
Location: Huevos Bancheros Brunch
Contact:
   

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#713 » by Def Swami » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:13 pm

I have it

1a. Cunningham
1b. Suggs

3. Green

4. Mobley
5. Kuminga

6. Severe disappointment

7a. Bouknight
7b. Moody







8-29. Sadness, despair, futility
User avatar
VFX
RealGM
Posts: 18,475
And1: 16,277
Joined: May 30, 2016

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#714 » by VFX » Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:41 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Read on Twitter

The only issue is that we will be picking 6th overall or worse again. Just like the 2017 && 2018 draft which was touted as having loaded top 5 talent as well only for us to fail to secure better odds.

I see no reason to believe why this year will be any different. The last 15 games when AG comes back and teams are sitting players is when we will start playing for "culture" and moral victories.


Image
User avatar
Knightro
Forum Mod - Magic
Forum Mod - Magic
Posts: 28,559
And1: 29,660
Joined: Dec 18, 2010
Location: Jersey
 

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#715 » by Knightro » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:14 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Kuminga, on already existing Fultz, Isaac issues, would be terrible pick regardless of GOrdon and Vuc situation.

Guy flat out can't shoot from anywhere. He looks like MKG/ RHJ more than elite nba wing.
Guy shoots 24% from 3 point line and 62,5% FTs.

I like his potential on defense but really last thing Magic need is another incompetent offensive player.


I suppose this was an obvious response considering you more than most appear to believe that guys seemingly have no ability to improve no matter what.

Kuminga, from what I saw in the bubble, is miles and miles ahead of Isaac and Gordon at the same age in terms of tangible wing skill. He's a much more fluid ball handler, a much more functional slasher off the dribble and a way better passer off the dribble than either one of those guys were at 18.

He didn't make shots at a high clip in bubble, his shot didn't look broken like Fultz or Kidd-Gilchrist's did/do.

Kuminga is also more than a full year younger than Cunningham and Suggs and has been playing competitive basketball for a much shorter amount of time than any of the other top prospects.

He's going to have his struggles in the NBA early on because he's so young, but he's a very legitimate NBA wing prospect. I also think he's clearly a SF/wing at the next level, as I suspect he's going to measure out at 6'6" or so.
MagicFan101
RealGM
Posts: 11,262
And1: 6,575
Joined: Jul 04, 2012
 

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#716 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:22 pm

Def Swami wrote:I have it

1a. Cunningham
1b. Suggs

3. Green

4. Mobley
5. Kuminga

6. Severe disappointment

7a. Bouknight
7b. Moody







8-29. Sadness, despair, futility



What puts Suggs at a clear separation from Green and into the Cade tier for you?
jonbob17
Analyst
Posts: 3,481
And1: 1,440
Joined: Jul 01, 2020

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#717 » by jonbob17 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:38 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:
Knightro wrote:
Read on Twitter

The only issue is that we will be picking 6th overall or worse again. Just like the 2017 && 2018 draft which was touted as having loaded top 5 talent as well only for us to fail to secure better odds.

I see no reason to believe why this year will be any different. The last 15 games when AG comes back and teams are sitting players is when we will start playing for "culture" and moral victories.



We need to be the best at being worst. One time.
jonbob17
Analyst
Posts: 3,481
And1: 1,440
Joined: Jul 01, 2020

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#718 » by jonbob17 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:41 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
SOUL wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Among top 5 picks, Magic have zero reasons to draft 2. Evan Mobley and Kuminga.
Witch clears the air a lot when it comes to decision making, if they end up with top 3-5 pick.


Right now*.

If Vuc gets traded (I don't think he will) or Gordon get traded, Kuminga and Mobley suddenly become options since I don't think Okeke has shown that he'll be a longterm starter (he could in the coming years obv). But yeah, the other 3 are ideal picks at the moment.


Kuminga, on already existing Fultz, Isaac issues, would be terrible pick regardless of GOrdon and Vuc situation.

Guy flat out can't shoot from anywhere. He looks like MKG/ RHJ more than elite nba wing.
Guy shoots 24% from 3 point line and 62,5% FTs.

I like his potential on defense but really last thing Magic need is another incompetent offensive player.



Nobody on this team should be drafted around. Nobody.
User avatar
VFX
RealGM
Posts: 18,475
And1: 16,277
Joined: May 30, 2016

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#719 » by VFX » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:46 pm

I’m not going to be mad at Kuminga IF Suggs,Cade, and Green are off the board.

1a. Cade
1b. Suggs
1c. Green

2. Kuminga



3. Fire the FO
4. Sell the team

5. Bouknight
6. Moody

7. Mobley
User avatar
PrimeThyme
RealGM
Posts: 10,594
And1: 14,531
Joined: May 25, 2016
Location: Doak Campbell
 

Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#720 » by PrimeThyme » Wed Mar 10, 2021 5:52 pm

Cunningham is the clear number one on my board. Especially for this team. He's just the most NBA-ready scorer. Off the dribble, post-game, transition scoring, finishing off the dribble. I'm struggling to find any holes when it comes to just pure scoring of the basketball. I think he will walk into the league as a 20 plus ppg guy.

Suggs to me has the more all-around potential. I see more playmaking ability, && I could easily see him becoming an all-nba type defender. I have no doubt he will be a great player. He always seems to make the right decision when the ball is in his hand and is a lethal catch and shoot threat. I'm just not convinced that he's going to develop into a number one alpha dog type scorer, however.

That's what would put him a notch below Cade on my list. Suggs has done it at times though, like last night for instance, just not consistently enough to give me the same level of confidence.

I'd be ecstatic to get him through. There's an obvious drop-off after those two imo. In fairness, I just haven't seen enough of Jalen green. He could be on a Suggs tier, but the short highlight clips I've seen haven't been enough for me to say one way or the other.
Image

Return to Orlando Magic