2024-2025 NBA Playoffs Round 1, Game 1: (7) Orlando Magic at (2) Boston Celtics - 3:30pm ET

Post #701 » by **eyriq** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:32 am

Against the Cavs we adjusted by benching JI for WCJ. Against the Celtics it should be the opposite with an AB for CoJo swap thrown in for good measure.

KillMonger · Post #702 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:35 am

Read on Twitter

"two guys you don't account for" he didn't just say that out loud did he?

basketballRob · Post #703 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:37 am

MagicFan101 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Mccollum would be perfect to replace him and Harris.

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If the Magic didn't want to spend $28mil on Simons, why would they spend assets on $30mil 34yo CJ for a one year rental?

I’m catching up on posts but …

Who said the Magic didn’t want to spend $28M on Simons?

If you’re referring to not making a move at the trade deadline, all noise from that was regarding steep asking price (most like Black + FRPs) not the due salary.

I was thinking that Mccollum would be way cheaper at this stage. The Trailblazers may want picks and players for Simons.

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JF5 · Post #704 » by **JF5** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:45 am

This game just reinforced all the negatives the team was struggling with in January and February. It seemed everyone outside of Paolo/Franz/KCP/Issac was playing scared/timid.

It just became Paolo/Franz isos. Ball needs to move around more next game.

Post #705 » by **Knightro** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:48 am

KillMonger wrote:something tells me the difference in our situation and the 2016 cavs or the mavs isn't the stars......hint(it's the others)

Oh gosh I wholeheartedly disagree.

LeBron/Kyrie and Luka/Kyrie were both significantly better than Paolo/Franz are currently.

Skybox · Post #706 » by **Skybox** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:52 am

basketballRob wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
If the Magic didn't want to spend $28mil on Simons, why would they spend assets on $30mil 34yo CJ for a one year rental?

I’m catching up on posts but …

Who said the Magic didn’t want to spend $28M on Simons?

If you’re referring to not making a move at the trade deadline, all noise from that was regarding steep asking price (most like Black + FRPs) not the due salary.
I was thinking that Mccollum would be way cheaper at this stage. The Trailblazers may want picks and players for Simons.

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They are both expiring and presently overpaid by non-playoff teams...good recipe for available cheap (not the salary-the trade value)

Sexton and Coby White also expiring, but fairly or underpaid...I'd like to think all 4 would consider extensions around $20-25m per (which is roughly KCP salary :banghead:

). I'd say Coby has been a part of a fun CHI resurgence and will get a big raise and likely stay...the others? NO WAY we couldn't land one of them if we just made the calls...lots of teams will have cap space next summer when they are UFAs and none are in such great situations that they're likely to be turning off their phones when that day comes. I believe we'd be able to sell them on the team, the role, and the environment and negotiate an extension before even consummating the trade.

Unless Weltman just can't part with a pick or other teams are no longer interested in his over-extended mediocre role players whose value has plummeted since being extended...KCP, Cole, WCJ, Isaac are now long term money. KCP is still a very solid role player, if slightly overpaid. Cole is expiring, presuming his TO is laughed at. WCJ is a bargain at his present rate, but will be an albatross at $18m, and Isaac sounded awesome at $15m, but his contribution has been inversely proportional to his availability :banghead:

...but picks

I could have cut and pasted this same rant for the last 3 years...not sure why we all seem to think THIS is the summer it happens. :roll:

EDIT: CJ makes too much for a NOLA team in transition with Dejounte out for a while. They drafted Missi, but are still thin at C...my favorite scenario is to throw loads of picks, Cole and one of our Centers plus whatever else and get CJ and Herb Jones. They'll have a very high pick this summer too, so someone will be expendable. Jones may already be somewhat redundant with Trey Murphy...if they land at #3, the clear choice is Ace Bailey, who looks a lot like Trey and Herb...another brick in the path leading Herb to us :nod:

Fortune Teller · Post #707 » by **Fortune Teller** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:54 am

The lack of a PG was so glaring in this game. Of all the ways the last 2 summers could have gone, adding AB, Jett, and KCP was about as bad as it could’ve gone. What a waste of lottery picks and cap space.

Post #708 » by **eyriq** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:54 am

Knightro wrote:I think the Magic’s front office thinks they can recreate a 2016 Cavs or 2024 Mavericks kind of situation where they end up having two guys who are so good at creating, finding and ultimately destroying mismatches in isolation that they can ride that all the way to the Finals/winning a championship.

I just think the road to accomplishing that is full of potential potholes, none bigger than the fact these two guys just aren’t as good as the other guys who have had high end success playing this style.

I guarantee you the front office thinks nothing of the sort. Paolo and Franz aren't even off their rookie scale contracts yet. They are still developing.

Rainwater · Post #709 » by **Rainwater** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:00 am

BlueBalls wrote:I’m amazed at all the angry back & forth. The Magic aren’t winning this series and I’ll be shocked if they win a game.

This team is badly flawed and had no business in the playoffs. They need a new GM, several new players and yes, probably a new coach. But the new coach is far less important than the other 2 areas.

Your post indicating the Magic had “No business in the playoffs”.

BadMofoPimp · Post #710 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:02 am

basketballRob wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Mccollum would be perfect to replace him and Harris.

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If the Magic didn't want to spend $28mil on Simons, why would they spend assets on $30mil 34yo CJ for a one year rental?
It would be contingent on him signing a two year reasonable extension. I'd offer him a two year $30m extension. That would make him 37 at the end of his contract. I'm not sure if he has that much gas in the tank or not.

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I reckon the entire bench could be all G-Leagers then as there would be no cap room left.

KillMonger · Post #711 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:23 am

Knightro wrote:
KillMonger wrote:something tells me the difference in our situation and the 2016 cavs or the mavs isn't the stars......hint(it's the others)

Oh gosh I wholeheartedly disagree.

LeBron/Kyrie and Luka/Kyrie were both significantly better than Paolo/Franz are currently.

that much is obvious as lebron/kyrie was in his 12th and 4th year respectively, Kyrie/Luka 12th and 5th......not apples and oranges....and look at the rosters they had.....and the coaching.....come on man i expect better out of you, you're high level

basketballRob · Post #712 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:35 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
If the Magic didn't want to spend $28mil on Simons, why would they spend assets on $30mil 34yo CJ for a one year rental?
It would be contingent on him signing a two year reasonable extension. I'd offer him a two year $30m extension. That would make him 37 at the end of his contract. I'm not sure if he has that much gas in the tank or not.

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I reckon the entire bench could be all G-Leagers then as there would be no cap room left.

Cole is making $13m per year. We could consolidate Cole 13, Harris 8, and Jett 6 into Mccollum. We need the roster spots for rookies anyway. I like the OKC model where they get rid of players who don't make them better and draft more.

Even if Mccollum didn't agree to a reasonable extension. Cole, Jett, and Harris for a 1 year rental is okay

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Post #713 » by **SOUL** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:36 am

Rockets with 34 points at half.

Post #714 » by **eyriq** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:37 am

eyriq wrote:
Knightro wrote:I think the Magic’s front office thinks they can recreate a 2016 Cavs or 2024 Mavericks kind of situation where they end up having two guys who are so good at creating, finding and ultimately destroying mismatches in isolation that they can ride that all the way to the Finals/winning a championship.

I just think the road to accomplishing that is full of potential potholes, none bigger than the fact these two guys just aren’t as good as the other guys who have had high end success playing this style.

I guarantee you the front office thinks nothing of the sort. Paolo and Franz aren't even off their rookie scale contracts yet. They are still developing.

Actually, maybe you are right. I think their focus on defense first players does indeed imply they think Paolo and Franz can handle the offense pretty much alone. My bad.

rcklsscognition · Post #715 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:37 am

I had family over watching and told them keep your eyes on Gary and Caleb. Good gracious those two were open all freaking night and we couldn’t get them more than a couple shots? Gary was open like waaaay open a dozen times, didn’t even look his way. All the other guys gotta be getting touches.

thelead · Post #716 » by **thelead** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:37 am

SOUL wrote:Rockets with 34 points at half.

Like I posted in the Hou/GSW thread:

Orlando - Houston

OrlandoDream · Post #717 » by **OrlandoDream** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:43 am

Game went as expected. First half played solid D and forced tough shots. Then the scheduled 3rd quarter collapse, offensive spells, affect the defense and game over. Pritchard and White destroyed us.

Paolo a complete superstar game. Franz ok game but showcased his deficiencies vs Boston. Franz has to take another step this offseason in his offense. He needs to lock himself in the gym with a psych and shooting coach and get rid of that hitch.

Everybody else just complete bums. Playoff KCP my a** wendell , cole, Ab nobody with any ability to score consistently. Its just embarrassing how flawed this roster is outside Paolo and Franz. God I miss Suggs and Mo.

basketballRob · Post #718 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:52 am

SOUL wrote:Rockets with 34 points at half.

I'm sure there aren't 10 posters on the Houston board saying Amen sucks after only scoring 2 pts. 0-4 on free throws is tough. AB would get run out if Orlando if he did that.

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Post #719 » by **SOUL** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:54 am

basketballRob wrote:
SOUL wrote:Rockets with 34 points at half.
I'm sure there aren't 10 posters on the Houston board saying Amen sucks after only scoring 2 pts. 0-4 on free throws is tough. AB would get run out if Orlando if he did that.

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Eh you'd be surprised. Most fans are the same. Saying Amen sucks and fire Ime lol

basketballRob · Post #720 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:56 am

SOUL wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
SOUL wrote:Rockets with 34 points at half.
I'm sure there aren't 10 posters on the Houston board saying Amen sucks after only scoring 2 pts. 0-4 on free throws is tough. AB would get run out if Orlando if he did that.

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Eh you'd be surprised. Most fans are the same. Saying Amen sucks and fire Ime lol

Jalen Green 3 pts on 1-7.

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