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Re: 2024-2025 NBA Playoffs Round 1, Game 2: (7) Orlando Magic at (2) Boston Celtics - 7pm ET 

Post#701 » by SOUL » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:47 am

KillMonger wrote:10 man rotation tonight...... Bit too much mose..... Like what did Cole give us? Gary? Like keep giving them opportunities in the regular season sure but playoffs you shorten not extend..... Still tinkering with lineups in the playoffs bruh?

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Are you seriously asking why a coach would be tinkering with SG minutes when KCP is giving nothing?
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Post#702 » by VFX » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:48 am

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SOUL wrote:I really want to like Goga but his fans here are just **** insane lol. We can't hit threes and the answer is more Goga. Sure.


Why is hitting 3’s the only approach? Clearly by what Goga gave us it was beneficial given the +/- so who cares if it came with him shooting 3’s or not? He gave us rim protection and rebounds and an offball option that managed to get open under the basket. Lol, what’s to dislike?


Yeah this is like what would you rather have?

A Center that does actual Center things? Or a guy that stretches the floor sometimes because the offense is lacking everywhere else?

Yeah, give me the guy that rebounds the ball and defends the rim. 4/5 other positions should ideally be able to hit shots. Yeah, they aren’t but Orlando also got outrebounded.
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Post#703 » by basketballRob » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:48 am

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SOUL wrote:I really want to like Goga but his fans here are just **** insane lol. We can't hit threes and the answer is more Goga. Sure.


Why is hitting 3’s the only approach? Clearly by what Goga gave us it was beneficial given the +/- so who cares if it came with him shooting 3’s or not? He gave us rim protection and rebounds and an offball option that managed to get open under the basket. Lol, what’s to dislike?


Usually Goga love comes with tearing down WCJ no matter what he's doing or has done.

WCJ playing well the last month suddenly doesn't matter because Goga had a good 4 minutes and WCJ should be benched/DNP'd, etc. He's just getting the Fultz treatment of overreaction.
No one is saying that. I think people are saying why play 3 guards when we have another big guy. Especially when we're getting beat on the boards.

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Post#704 » by Rainwater » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:48 am

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Yeah, Carter played great. The game wouldn’t have been as close without him.


Great is a strong word to describe how Carter played.

He shot the ball well. A lot of people conflate good shooting with good play overall and those two things are not always the same thing.


Carter was good... he held up well and scored nicely. His coverage in the 4th was very suspect though. But at the same time nobody was really able to step up defensively when it mattered.


Yeah, great probably wasn’t the best wording but he had a decent game
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Post#705 » by FFBlitzace » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:49 am

I think you just have to play Isaac. Yes his offense is terrible in a vacuum, but I think you just have to hope he will give you his defense and then some hustle and spirit that can generate some points.

But anyway. We played them pretty tough but we just can't make any outside shots. It is what it is.

Not trying to be a hater, but KCP can't be playing these kind of minutes if he's not giving you any production. Going back to Isaac, what makes that situation any different than KCP. KCP won't even give you offensive rebounding like JI can. How can you be a player on this team and not feel some kind of way about KCP's plot armor that he's had all season.
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Post#706 » by Bensational » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:49 am

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SOUL wrote:I really want to like Goga but his fans here are just **** insane lol. We can't hit threes and the answer is more Goga. Sure.


Why is hitting 3’s the only approach? Clearly by what Goga gave us it was beneficial given the +/- so who cares if it came with him shooting 3’s or not? He gave us rim protection and rebounds and an offball option that managed to get open under the basket. Lol, what’s to dislike?


Usually Goga love comes with tearing down WCJ no matter what he's doing or has done.

WCJ playing well the last month suddenly doesn't matter because Goga had a good 4 minutes and WCJ should be benched/DNP'd, etc. He's just getting the Fultz treatment of overreaction.


Dell has been pretty solid and at times great in recent games. What’s running that is that he seems to need 2-3 minutes of boneheaded play before he activates the beast and the stakes are too high 1 hence other people’s reactions.

I don’t see Goga as a challenger to Dell’s minutes though, I see him taking Cole’s minutes or Isaac’s.
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Post#707 » by dsg2021 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:49 am

My game notes don't need to be long. There was 3 straight Franz possessions that were so nasty good, wish we would have tried putting him in those motions again. Then finally, WCJ a team worst boxscore +/- of -8 and Goga an almost team best +/- of +2. I'll defend KCP and say give him a shot when we have a more properly built team and he has teammates who can hit a 3 also.
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Post#708 » by dsg2021 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:49 am

My game notes don't need to be long.
There was 3 straight Franz possessions that were so nasty good, wish we would have tried putting him in those motions again.
Then, WCJ a team worst boxscore +/- of -8 and Goga an almost team best +/- of +2.
I'll defend KCP and say give him a shot when we have a more properly built team and he has teammates who can hit a 3 also.
Let's see if our patented defense and physicality keeps Tatum out one more game, and puts KP into a concussion protocol or short injury OUT. Our home crowd won't be too much of a home crowd, but it should help too. I'm still hopeful for a 6 game series and amazing post-season experience for Paolo and Franz. Where we add in the summer some type of high level guard like Simons, Nembhard, Herro, or better. 2-3 snipers around the rotation. And a 7 foot-plus Center who has defensive presence and shooting touch out to mid-range at least.
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Post#709 » by basketballRob » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:49 am

I'd be okay with bringing KCP off the bench one game and starting Harris.

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Post#710 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:50 am

If they’re going to run 2 bigs I’d rather see us rock
AB Franz Paolo WCJ Goga lineups vs what we’ve seen.
A scoring guard.. never heard of one. :roll:
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Post#711 » by SOUL » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:51 am

Bensational wrote:Dell has been pretty solid and at times great in recent games. What’s running that is that he seems to need 2-3 minutes of boneheaded play before he activates the beast and the stakes are too high 1 hence other people’s reactions.

I don’t see Goga as a challenger to Dell’s minutes though, I see him taking Cole’s minutes or Isaac’s.


Yeah, I mean I have no problem with Goga taking backup C minutes, although that would come at the expense of Isaac. Just feel like most posters are done with WCJ (which, idc, move on from all of our bigs lol) but it's also like.. the clear gaping hole on this roster is guard production.
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Post#712 » by KillMonger » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:52 am

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KillMonger wrote:10 man rotation tonight...... Bit too much mose..... Like what did Cole give us? Gary? Like keep giving them opportunities in the regular season sure but playoffs you shorten not extend..... Still tinkering with lineups in the playoffs bruh?

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Are you seriously asking why a coach would be tinkering with SG minutes when KCP is giving nothing?
I said what I said, playoffs you play 8 or 9 and live with it..... Why are we playing 10?

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Post#713 » by Idiosyncratic » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:52 am

The 3 guard thing is annoying, but the backup forward rotation is pretty terrible with just Caleb and TDS. We don't even have a true backup 4 now that Isaac bulked for center.

Caleb/Gary/Cole 0 rebounds in 29 minutes. We gave up 13 offensive rebounds in a relatively close game. That absolutely was one of the biggest reasons they lost. Not blaming Mose because there really aren't good options there, but man we really need to rework the supporting cast.
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Post#714 » by basketballRob » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:53 am

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Bensational wrote:Dell has been pretty solid and at times great in recent games. What’s running that is that he seems to need 2-3 minutes of boneheaded play before he activates the beast and the stakes are too high 1 hence other people’s reactions.

I don’t see Goga as a challenger to Dell’s minutes though, I see him taking Cole’s minutes or Isaac’s.


Yeah, I mean I have no problem with Goga taking backup C minutes, although that would come at the expense of Isaac. Just feel like most posters are done with WCJ (which, idc, move on from all of our bigs lol) but it's also like.. the clear gaping hole on this roster is guard production.
I don't know why Isaac can't play with Goga. Boston is playing 2 bigs.

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Post#715 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:54 am

As big as WCJ is, why does he refuse to set screens? For that reason alone I would have played Goga more…

KCP was garbage, no one was hitting 3s, so we might have well bully balled them, imo.
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Post#716 » by SOUL » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:54 am

KillMonger wrote:I said what I said, playoffs you play 8 or 9 and live with it..... Why are we playing 10?


Because we don't have a dependable 8 or 9. Hell, we barely have a dependable 3. A coach's job is to find a spark especially when there are massive runs.

OKC plays 10 because they're deep and mostly dependable. It's also relative to talent on the team.
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Post#717 » by Knightro » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:54 am

The adjustments within this series are pretty meaningless. The Magic are getting swept or maybe snaking one of the two upcoming home games.

The bigger question is who are the for sure keepers moving forward?

I have a bad feeling the Magic's front office feels much more strongly about certain guys than they should as long-term pieces.
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Post#718 » by sChOlaRlY_Magi » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:56 am

Also, Houston over TDS?… Idk, man…

I get they want more 3s, but we’re historically terrible at them this year…

I’d run them into the ground with transition and dunks at this point. Make them shoot 3s with tired ass legs from chasing us around…
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Post#719 » by KillMonger » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:57 am

Cojo is fine but he is getting hunted every time..... How many easy porzingis buckets with him just shooting over the top of a smaller matchup that we're just giving them..... It's like a free easy bucket

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Post#720 » by OnlyFranz22 » Thu Apr 24, 2025 1:59 am

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basketballRob wrote:It was a winnable game

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When?
Wagner and KCP could've hit a few more shots. 1-13 from 3. Paolo could've hit more FTs

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This has been all season though

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