Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[bigdogdylan5]

but if you are getting Monk to be a playmaker, he isnt going to be camping in the corner.

I mean it’s yes and no right? You’re still going to want to stagger Paolo and Franz minutes and have them run majority of offense. You need a pressure relief valve someone who can take the burden for short bursts but can also play off Paolo and Franz the rest of the time. I think Simons is better fit for that. Monk is more of a risk I don’t want another Anthony situation who the guy can’t play off Paolo and Franz and just pounds the ball.

but i dont. I dont want Paolo and Franz running the majority of the offense. Be a hub and facilitator sure, but they arent capable right now of doing that. Paolo didnt do it at Duke. 3 years into the NBA, he has shown skills, but not to be an efficient offensive initiator. same with Franz.

I don’t know what to tell you then. That isn’t going to change. The front office doesn’t see it that way the contract they gave to Franz and Suggs was the point where they said we are moving forward with this. Paolo is about to get a max with super max language too. And you don’t think they will run any of the offense through 3 players that after next year will be earning approx 60-70% of our cap? They have made bets on Suggs Franz and soon to be Paolo to make improvements to their games and be the cornerstones. We should do everything we can to put support around them and build to their needs. As good as they are they aren’t where Shai is or Haliburton but should we expect them to be being years younger in age and in nba experience? We can transition to win now while still be keeping in mind our top tier players aren’t in their prime… yet

[Magic_Johnny12]

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[MagicTownBaller]

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[tiderulz]

I mean it’s yes and no right? You’re still going to want to stagger Paolo and Franz minutes and have them run majority of offense. You need a pressure relief valve someone who can take the burden for short bursts but can also play off Paolo and Franz the rest of the time. I think Simons is better fit for that. Monk is more of a risk I don’t want another Anthony situation who the guy can’t play off Paolo and Franz and just pounds the ball.

but i dont. I dont want Paolo and Franz running the majority of the offense. Be a hub and facilitator sure, but they arent capable right now of doing that. Paolo didnt do it at Duke. 3 years into the NBA, he has shown skills, but not to be an efficient offensive initiator. same with Franz.

I don’t know what to tell you then. That isn’t going to change. The front office doesn’t see it that way the contract they gave to Franz and Suggs was the point where they said we are moving forward with this. Paolo is about to get a max with super max language too. And you don’t think they will run any of the offense through 3 players that after next year will be earning approx 60-70% of our cap? They have made bets on Suggs Franz and soon to be Paolo to make improvements to their games and be the cornerstones. We should do everything we can to put support around them and build to their needs. As good as they are they aren’t where Shai is or Haliburton but should we expect them to be being years younger in age and in nba experience? We can transition to win now while still be keeping in mind our top tier players aren’t in their prime… yet

doesnt matter about the money spent, its about capability. Giannis getting paid a lot doesnt mean he has to initiate offense. Same with Embiid. so just because they pay Franz and Paolo a lot of money, doesnt mean they should be running the majority of the offense.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Got this from the Washington board, shout out to Nate.

Jordan Poole came up in another thread, and I noted that Jordan Poole's TS% of 59.1% is 4.5% higher than the team's average TS% of 54.6%. I think this is an important metric. The better a player's teammates are, the harder it is for defenses to key in on the team's best offensive player. Being 4.5% more efficient than your teammates is very impressive if you are a high usage player. It means that even though your teammates stink and teams are selling out to guard you, you still manage to score efficiently.

So, out of curiously, I ran a screen of all the guys with a USG% of 27% or higher. There's 37 of them, so we are talking about basically the primary scoring option for each team plus a handful of top tier #2 options. I ranked them by TS% differential relative to their team's TS%.



In this context, Jordan Poole was one of the best high usage scorers in the league. If you gave him better teammates that actually had to be guarded closely, Poole might have posted numbers closer to those of the very best scorers in the league.

It might be time to give Jordan Poole a little more due respect for what was arguably a very impressive season offensively.

[89Magicfan]

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We’re the favorites to land every one.

[89Magicfan]

Got this from the Washington board, shout out to Nate.

Jordan Poole came up in another thread, and I noted that Jordan Poole's TS% of 59.1% is 4.5% higher than the team's average TS% of 54.6%. I think this is an important metric. The better a player's teammates are, the harder it is for defenses to key in on the team's best offensive player. Being 4.5% more efficient than your teammates is very impressive if you are a high usage player. It means that even though your teammates stink and teams are selling out to guard you, you still manage to score efficiently.

So, out of curiously, I ran a screen of all the guys with a USG% of 27% or higher. There's 37 of them, so we are talking about basically the primary scoring option for each team plus a handful of top tier #2 options. I ranked them by TS% differential relative to their team's TS%.



In this context, Jordan Poole was one of the best high usage scorers in the league. If you gave him better teammates that actually had to be guarded closely, Poole might have posted numbers closer to those of the very best scorers in the league.

It might be time to give Jordan Poole a little more due respect for what was arguably a very impressive season offensively.

His offensive abilities are impressive. My issue is his contract and the fact that our problems are so spread out offensively, and our timing is so critical that hedging our bets on him is a very very high risk that does t offer a ton of rewards.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Got this from the Washington board, shout out to Nate.

Jordan Poole came up in another thread, and I noted that Jordan Poole's TS% of 59.1% is 4.5% higher than the team's average TS% of 54.6%. I think this is an important metric. The better a player's teammates are, the harder it is for defenses to key in on the team's best offensive player. Being 4.5% more efficient than your teammates is very impressive if you are a high usage player. It means that even though your teammates stink and teams are selling out to guard you, you still manage to score efficiently.

So, out of curiously, I ran a screen of all the guys with a USG% of 27% or higher. There's 37 of them, so we are talking about basically the primary scoring option for each team plus a handful of top tier #2 options. I ranked them by TS% differential relative to their team's TS%.



In this context, Jordan Poole was one of the best high usage scorers in the league. If you gave him better teammates that actually had to be guarded closely, Poole might have posted numbers closer to those of the very best scorers in the league.

It might be time to give Jordan Poole a little more due respect for what was arguably a very impressive season offensively.

His offensive abilities are impressive. My issue is his contract and the fact that our problems are so spread out offensively, and our timing is so critical that hedging our bets on him is a very very high risk that does t offer a ton of rewards.

He’s on a 2 yr. non-max deal.

Moving Isaac/Anthony/Howard would actually lower our bill this year, but next year we would have to make some additional moves (more than likely KCP which will be an expiring and easier/cheaper to move).

Not end of the world stuff.

In absolute worst case scenario we go into next summer with Pooles huge expiring.

In absolute best case Orlando found one of the best offensive guards in the NBA and is in the drivers seat to resign.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Poole is an upgrade. I ish something would happen already so I can stop reading about aprons and people bickering at each other like they know what they’re talking about.

[Driguez]

Jordan Poole, really? You guys are masochist

[dsg2021]

Got this from the Washington board, shout out to Nate.

Jordan Poole came up in another thread, and I noted that Jordan Poole's TS% of 59.1% is 4.5% higher than the team's average TS% of 54.6%. I think this is an important metric. The better a player's teammates are, the harder it is for defenses to key in on the team's best offensive player. Being 4.5% more efficient than your teammates is very impressive if you are a high usage player. It means that even though your teammates stink and teams are selling out to guard you, you still manage to score efficiently.

So, out of curiously, I ran a screen of all the guys with a USG% of 27% or higher. There's 37 of them, so we are talking about basically the primary scoring option for each team plus a handful of top tier #2 options. I ranked them by TS% differential relative to their team's TS%.



In this context, Jordan Poole was one of the best high usage scorers in the league. If you gave him better teammates that actually had to be guarded closely, Poole might have posted numbers closer to those of the very best scorers in the league.

It might be time to give Jordan Poole a little more due respect for what was arguably a very impressive season offensively.

Awesome freaking post. Some vindication for me on why I like Tyler Herro for us so much too.

And I am a Jordan Poole believer. I have a small issue with thinking we could have traded for him sooner for like hopefully an attached top 15 protected 1st until conveyed but I would digress though and say it was very important for ORL to see these kinds of performance and data from the important GSW title contributor.

I am not worried about Poole’s contract because it is the same two years as like KCP’s. Neither are long-term commitments strangling our cap sheet. Poole has seen what a pure contract grab means in terms of what kind of teams you might end up on with it. Maybe in ORL he takes a good discount for a bigger guaranteed bag of 4 years to go with honing his defense and playmaking in ORL playoffs runs every single year. Maybe he’s him and grabs his 2nd title.

[MasterGMer]

I don't know why there are so many displeasure about Jordan Poole. Dude helped GSW won a Championship not too long ago.

Before he started this journey in Washington, I thought it could be a pivotal situation for him. If he somehow gives up and not motivated, he could ruin his career. And instead if he takes advantage of the situation and try to be an alpha. He could have a lot competitive suitors.

Is it time for his time done in Washington? Yes, btw he is not a perfect player, but he is an upgrade to us. And probably much cheaper than Simons and Reaves

[dsg2021]

Jordan Poole, really? You guys are masochist

Mikael Pietrus was a blast to watch and a joy to have around Orlando. That’s our last experience with a sometimes knucklehead with an occasional hilarious bad pass or bad shot selection.

[basketballRob]

Read the Warriors fans' posts about Poole. They all want him back.

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[dsg2021]

Read the Warriors fans' posts about Poole. They all want him back.

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They know he was just like what a 22 year old young buck who ran into an older Draymond Green truck, lol. He’s had his sports movie chapter in the gutters between that and rebuilding-path WAS.

One thing is for sure. We would need to find all the single hotties we can to put courtside for the Jordan Poole effect

[basketballRob]

Read the Warriors fans' posts about Poole. They all want him back.

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They know he was just like what a 22 year old young buck who ran into an older Draymond Green truck, lol. He’s had his sports movie chapter in the gutters between that and rebuilding-path WAS.

One thing is for sure. We would need to find all the single hotties we can to put courtside for the Jordan Poole effect

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[Skybox]

Poole is an upgrade. I ish something would happen already so I can stop reading about aprons and people bickering at each other like they know what they’re talking about.

You can stop anytime you want

[Skybox]

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They know he was just like what a 22 year old young buck who ran into an older Draymond Green truck, lol. He’s had his sports movie chapter in the gutters between that and rebuilding-path WAS.

One thing is for sure. We would need to find all the single hotties we can to put courtside for the Jordan Poole effect

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It wouldn't be boring ...we know that

Let's go.

I must again remind everyone of the mountain of ish I caught for wanting him a couple of years ago...I'm too lazy to collect receipts - but you know who you are.