Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread

[pepe1991]

Kuminga, on already existing Fultz, Isaac issues, would be terrible pick regardless of GOrdon and Vuc situation.

Guy flat out can't shoot from anywhere. He looks like MKG/ RHJ more than elite nba wing.
Guy shoots 24% from 3 point line and 62,5% FTs.

I like his potential on defense but really last thing Magic need is another incompetent offensive player.

I suppose this was an obvious response considering you more than most appear to believe that guys seemingly have no ability to improve no matter what.

Kuminga, from what I saw in the bubble, is miles and miles ahead of Isaac and Gordon at the same age in terms of tangible wing skill. He's a much more fluid ball handler, a much more functional slasher off the dribble and a way better passer off the dribble than either one of those guys were at 18.

He didn't make shots at a high clip in bubble, his shot didn't look broken like Fultz or Kidd-Gilchrist's did/do.

Kuminga is also more than a full year younger than Cunningham and Suggs and has been playing competitive basketball for a much shorter amount of time than any of the other top prospects.

He's going to have his struggles in the NBA early on because he's so young, but he's a very legitimate NBA wing prospect. I also think he's clearly a SF/wing at the next level, as I suspect he's going to measure out at 6'6" or so.

If you didn't watch single footage of G league Kuminga and just read what scouts said about him before G league you would come back to same conclusion as me AFTER G league. His offensive game is made of:
1) being very athletic
2) being somewhat funcional ballhandler and passer
3) no jumpshot

Can be too quick with the trigger and settles for a lot of contested threes. Shot selection overall can improve and although he’s been efficient from the floor, he’s very high-volume. Attempted 17.2 shots per game over the Nike EYBL in 2019 … Can improve consistency as a 3PT shooter. Shot 29.8% 3PT% at 7.8 attempts per game over the Nike EYBL in 2019 … Can improve as a free throw shooter. Shot 55.2% FT% over the Nike EYBL in 2018 and 62.7% FT% in 2019

So for 3 years straight, he comes at every competition he plays as flat out disaster as shooter. G league wasn't different. Can he improve ? Eh, maybe ? i'm just done with those prospects who arive in nba without any shooting skills.

Is he terrible prospect ? No. But i don't get how many fans simply can't see underyling issue with drafting athletes that can't shoot. Cam Reddish , Jarret Culver, Nassir Little, Kevin Knox, Marvin Bagley, Markelle Fultz, Josh Jackson,Frank Ntkilina.... All busting out in same fashion. Athletes that can't shoot a damn ball in a league where teams take 40 threes a game.

His best landing spot might be Minessota or Houston. Teams that have defined offensive players so nobody will ask him to do much. Him landing on Detroit or Orlando would suck for all the parties involved.

[Knightro]

Nobody on this team should be drafted around. Nobody.

Also this.

We *want* guys like Fultz and Isaac to do as good as they can possibly do, but no one on the current roster should be considered a guaranteed future piece regardless of what contract they just signed.

There's a near certainty that the guys that who signed those contracts won't be in their roles before those contracts run out anyway.

[zaymon]

I have it

1a. Cunningham
1b. Suggs

3. Green

4. Mobley
5. Kuminga

6. Severe disappointment

7a. Bouknight
7b. Moody







8-29. Sadness, despair, futility

1. Suggs
2.Cunningham
3.Barnes
4.Green
5.Mobley
6.Kuminga
7.Springer
8.Wagner
9.Bouknight
10.Moody

Wouldnt hate Cooper, Sengun, Johnson.

[VFX]

Cunningham is the clear number one on my board. Especially for this team. He's just the most NBA-ready scorer. Off the dribble, post-game, transition scoring, finishing off the dribble. I'm struggling to find any holes when it comes to just pure scoring of the basketball. I think he will walk into the league as a 20 plus ppg guy.

Suggs to me has the more all-around potential. I see more playmaking ability, && I could easily see him becoming an all-nba type defender. I have no doubt he will be a great player. He always seems to make the right decision when the ball is in his hand and is a lethal catch and shoot threat. I'm just not convinced that he's going to develop into a number one alpha dog type scorer, however.

That's what would put him a notch below Cade on my list. Suggs has done it at times though, like last night for instance, just not consistently enough to give me the same level of confidence.

I'd be ecstatic to get him through. There's an obvious drop-off after those two imo. In fairness, I just haven't seen enough of Jalen green. He could be on a Suggs tier, but the short highlight clips I've seen haven't been enough for me to say one way or the other.

Cade is just the best all around player (right now) I’d say out of the crop. Just a huge playmaker that would help immediately. Orlando needs that.. badly. Only downside I could possibly see is that he bullies dudes on the college level. Not sure that aspect of his game will be AS effective next level. I like that he plays defense and both sides of the floor.

Suggs reminds me of a shorter more explosive Brandon Roy, which is a pretty nice player to get as a cornerstone.
More of a point than a shooting guard because I’d say his vision and playmaking is next level. Don’t know how he pairs with Fultz if anyone cares about that question. Probably more potential than Cade in the long run if I had to guess.

Green reminds me of a guy that would be a star in the 90’s and early 00’s like a Tmac type. An explosive iso-heavy 3 level scorer. Don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing by today’s standards. He’s playing against G-leaguers as opposed to the other two playing against college level competition if you had to compare. Orlando needs his kind of offense production with upside either way. Maybe he’s like a Zach Lavine kinda player.

[jonbob17]

1. Cade
2a. Green
2b. Kuminga
4. Mobley. - Eventually he will get paid, and I don't like spending on 5s, but this is hoping his skill wins out and he can create a bit. Visions of him taking more of an A. Davis type role, even though he is not as strong. I probably could be talked into taking him #1, even though I think wings are much more valuable in general.
5. Suggs

6. Ziaire
7. Moody
8. Scotty Barnes - I'd really like for him to be higher, I just don't think he will shoot. Everything else is super interesting.
9. Boston - Not sure I would take him this high, but if we could get another pick late lottery/ mid round. I don't think he helps anytime soon, but maybe towards the end of his rookie deal. Have to think the skill from prep is still there and that size/weight are holding him back. Who knows maybe he closes out the season well, and 9 looks ridiculous, and he is back to top 6 or so.

[RookieStar]

I have it

1a. Cunningham
1b. Suggs

3. Green

4. Mobley
5. Kuminga

6. Severe disappointment

7a. Bouknight
7b. Moody







8-29. Sadness, despair, futility

Mine would be

1- Cade

2A-Suggs
B-Green

As to Mobley and Kuminga..would we be willing to trade down? Say get Bouknight and asset for our pick? Any teams will to do that?

P.S. in terms of flashiness and scoring, I go for Bouknight but if I want regular scoring with less risk of injury, I go for Moody.

[RookieStar]

Kuminga, on already existing Fultz, Isaac issues, would be terrible pick regardless of GOrdon and Vuc situation.

Guy flat out can't shoot from anywhere. He looks like MKG/ RHJ more than elite nba wing.
Guy shoots 24% from 3 point line and 62,5% FTs.

I like his potential on defense but really last thing Magic need is another incompetent offensive player.

I suppose this was an obvious response considering you more than most appear to believe that guys seemingly have no ability to improve no matter what.

Kuminga, from what I saw in the bubble, is miles and miles ahead of Isaac and Gordon at the same age in terms of tangible wing skill. He's a much more fluid ball handler, a much more functional slasher off the dribble and a way better passer off the dribble than either one of those guys were at 18.

He didn't make shots at a high clip in bubble, his shot didn't look broken like Fultz or Kidd-Gilchrist's did/do.

Kuminga is also more than a full year younger than Cunningham and Suggs and has been playing competitive basketball for a much shorter amount of time than any of the other top prospects.

He's going to have his struggles in the NBA early on because he's so young, but he's a very legitimate NBA wing prospect. I also think he's clearly a SF/wing at the next level, as I suspect he's going to measure out at 6'6" or so.

I'm not so high on Kuminga but I agree, I think he has the same height as AG which would probably make him 6'8 in shoes. As to handles, yeah there are signs of it.. but as awing, do you think he can take his man off the dribble? Cuz if you are a wing, you need to be able to.. more than probably having a reliable 3pt shot. His passing ability is top notch, however I notice he tends to play bully-ball more which doesn't really work for us ( see AG)

[Knightro]

If you didn't watch single footage of G league Kuminga and just read what scouts said about him before G league you would come back to same conclusion as me AFTER G league. His offensive game is made of:
1) being very athletic
2) being somewhat funcional ballhandler and passer
3) no jumpshot

Can be too quick with the trigger and settles for a lot of contested threes. Shot selection overall can improve and although he’s been efficient from the floor, he’s very high-volume. Attempted 17.2 shots per game over the Nike EYBL in 2019 … Can improve consistency as a 3PT shooter. Shot 29.8% 3PT% at 7.8 attempts per game over the Nike EYBL in 2019 … Can improve as a free throw shooter. Shot 55.2% FT% over the Nike EYBL in 2018 and 62.7% FT% in 2019

So for 3 years straight, he comes at every competition he plays as flat out disaster as shooter. G league wasn't different. Can he improve ? Eh, maybe ? i'm just done with those prospects who arive in nba without any shooting skills.

Is he terrible prospect ? No. But i don't get how many fans simply can't see underyling issue with drafting athletes that can't shoot. Cam Reddish , Jarret Culver, Nassir Little, Kevin Knox, Marvin Bagley, Markelle Fultz, Josh Jackson,Frank Ntkilina.... All busting out in same fashion. Athletes that can't shoot a damn ball in a league where teams take 40 threes a game.

His best landing spot might be Minessota or Houston. Teams that have defined offensive players so nobody will ask him to do much. Him landing on Detroit or Orlando would suck for all the parties involved.

There's plenty of guys who DO improve as shooters though. Guards, wings, bigs. You name it.

Jaylen Brown, Marcus Morris, Tobias Harris, Collin Sexton, Kyle Lowry, Julius Randle, Mike Conley Jr, Jeff Green. The list of guys who couldn't shoot in college and developed it once they got into the NBA goes on and on.

Development is not a guarantee either direction. Some guys improve a ton. Some don't improve at all.

But pretty much every player that you specifically mentioned outside of Fultz has one key similarity in addition to their overall shooting woes. None of them have the ability to consistently beat people off the dribble and functionally take advantage of their athleticism with the basketball in their hands.

That the compounding problem. If you can't shoot at a high level, you can mitigate that by being effective dribbling. If you can't dribble, you can make up for it by being effective shooting. If you can't do either one, you're likely screwed.

Based on his age (he literally turned 18 less than 6 months ago and is going to be the youngest player in the NBA next season), experience and what I saw in the G-League bubble, I'm pretty confident that Kuminga can become a guy capable of effectively attacking the basket off the dribble at the NBA level. If he can do that, it will give him plenty of leeway to develop his shooting.

[drsd]

I have it

1a. Cunningham
1b. Suggs

3. Green

4. Mobley
5. Kuminga

6. Severe disappointment

7a. Bouknight
7b. Moody

Assuming Severe disappointment = Scottie Barnes, do you see him as Aaron Gordon 2.0 ?


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[RookieStar]

I have it

1a. Cunningham
1b. Suggs

3. Green

4. Mobley
5. Kuminga

6. Severe disappointment

7a. Bouknight
7b. Moody

Assuming Severe disappointment = Scottie Barnes, do you see him as Aaron Gordon 2.0 ?


..

I always thought Severe disappointment = Zaire.

Also, the one for me most nearest to AG v2 is Kuminga.

[MagicFan101]

I have it

1a. Cunningham
1b. Suggs

3. Green

4. Mobley
5. Kuminga

6. Severe disappointment

7a. Bouknight
7b. Moody

Assuming Severe disappointment = Scottie Barnes, do you see him as Aaron Gordon 2.0 ?


..

In what world is Scottie Barnes compared to Aaron Gordon? Have you ever watched Scottie Barnes?

[pepe1991]

If you didn't watch single footage of G league Kuminga and just read what scouts said about him before G league you would come back to same conclusion as me AFTER G league. His offensive game is made of:
1) being very athletic
2) being somewhat funcional ballhandler and passer
3) no jumpshot

Can be too quick with the trigger and settles for a lot of contested threes. Shot selection overall can improve and although he’s been efficient from the floor, he’s very high-volume. Attempted 17.2 shots per game over the Nike EYBL in 2019 … Can improve consistency as a 3PT shooter. Shot 29.8% 3PT% at 7.8 attempts per game over the Nike EYBL in 2019 … Can improve as a free throw shooter. Shot 55.2% FT% over the Nike EYBL in 2018 and 62.7% FT% in 2019

So for 3 years straight, he comes at every competition he plays as flat out disaster as shooter. G league wasn't different. Can he improve ? Eh, maybe ? i'm just done with those prospects who arive in nba without any shooting skills.

Is he terrible prospect ? No. But i don't get how many fans simply can't see underyling issue with drafting athletes that can't shoot. Cam Reddish , Jarret Culver, Nassir Little, Kevin Knox, Marvin Bagley, Markelle Fultz, Josh Jackson,Frank Ntkilina.... All busting out in same fashion. Athletes that can't shoot a damn ball in a league where teams take 40 threes a game.

His best landing spot might be Minessota or Houston. Teams that have defined offensive players so nobody will ask him to do much. Him landing on Detroit or Orlando would suck for all the parties involved.

There's plenty of guys who DO improve as shooters though. Guards, wings, bigs. You name it.

Jaylen Brown, Marcus Morris, Tobias Harris, Collin Sexton, Kyle Lowry, Julius Randle, Mike Conley Jr, Jeff Green. The list of guys who couldn't shoot in college and developed it once they got into the NBA goes on and on.

Development is not a guarantee either direction. Some guys improve a ton. Some don't improve at all.

But pretty much every player that you specifically mentioned outside of Fultz has one key similarity in addition to their overall shooting woes. None of them have the ability to consistently beat people off the dribble and functionally take advantage of their athleticism with the basketball in their hands.

That the compounding problem. If you can't shoot at a high level, you can mitigate that by being effective dribbling. If you can't dribble, you can make up for it by being effective shooting. If you can't do either one, you're likely screwed.

Based on his age (he literally turned 18 less than 6 months ago and is going to be the youngest player in the NBA next season), experience and what I saw in the G-League bubble, I'm pretty confident that Kuminga can become a guy capable of effectively attacking the basket off the dribble at the NBA level. If he can do that, it will give him plenty of leeway to develop his shooting.

You mean " non of them have the ability to consistently beat people off the dribble ..." in nba. Since all guys mentioned were elite prospects when they were stacked against college competition, just flat out flopped when their adventages from college didn't translate. Cam Reddish and Knox are actually better athletes. Cam is flat out better built, Knox has better shooting form, Marvin has and always had better inscitcs around rim...

Now for rest of your post you give him all the benefits of a doubt to prove you wrong just because he didn't prove you wrong --yet?


I mean, guy is 18 and half years old. And? Did anybody forced him and few others to not go to college ? They esencially went through much easier path. Being part of 15 games against some of the worst competition i have ever seen, where they were main eventers on made up team, supported by non other than NBA itself just to give any reasons for G league to not be shut down for good. Because it's develomental league that didn't develop anybody in years and itself, league has no purpose. Just bunch of cast offs that refuse to let it go and stick there for years or get real jobs or get some oversees gig. Sad reality.



But back to Kuminga himself. You mentioned beating people off the dribble. At 18 and half years old. Against G league competition. You didn't mention how his dribbling got him nowhere and how he shot 38,7% FG in general and his APG to TO ratio was basically 1-1. So his advanced taking people off the dribble never really got him anywhere, didn't it?

So, hypoteticlly, how do you think 20 years old non-lottery pick would stack against that competition ? You think he would struggle? After all, as you said, those terrible, terrible draft busts had no defined nba skill,yet were LOTTERY PICKS, and Kuminga, according to you has sweet ability to take people off the dribble. Yet he struggles...

So how would players who were NOT lottery picks, who DON'T have "defined skill" would stack against G league competition? I bet they would struggle!! They had to struggle, i mean, Kuminga has NBA defined skill but he struggled.

Luka Samanic -can't play in rookie year for terrible Spurs... 21 ppg in G league
Kevin Porter Jr.- mediocre college career, cut off nba team---25 ppg in G league




My point execlly. You don't know how good Kuminga and Green is, nobody does. Kuminga can just as easly end up being Ronda Hollis Jefferson / Andre Roberson/ Nassir Little type player.

Andre Roberson, who is nba meme for worst offensive player in nba to this date, maybe one of worst ever, in G league averaged 16 ppg, 10 rebounds, 2,5 steals , 1,3 blocks on 51% FG and 31,3% for 3 when he was 24 y.o, only difference is that in 2013-14, going to Europe was somewhat taboo, so at times, D league,actually had some sort of talent, unlike nowdays, when only guys who stay are apsolute worst unsigned free agents.

[Knightro]

You mean " non of them have the ability to consistently beat people off the dribble ..." in nba. Since all guys mentioned were elite prospects when they were stacked against college competition, just flat out flopped when their adventages from college didn't translate. Cam Reddish and Knox are actually better athletes. Cam is flat out better built, Knox has better shooting form, Marvin has and always had better inscitcs around rim...

*Sigh*

Ok.

Reddish and Knox, who were both a year older than Kuminga when they were college freshmen, showed very little ability to create shots off the bounce for other players when they got to college.

HS Senior playing in NBAG Kuminga 12.2 AST%, 14.1 TO%
College Freshman Reddish 10.7 AST% 16.5 TO%
College Freshman Knox 8.7 AST% 14.1 TO%

Reddish was also a particularly bad finisher at Duke. Nothing about his statistical profile suggested he should have been a top 10 pick. He certainly looked the part, but he never once actually played the part in college. Not dissimilar to Cole Anthony if we're being honest.

Knox flashed a little more as a scorer than Reddish did, but the only thing Knox ever really showed a willingness to do was put up shots. He actually had even less feel for the game than Reddish did if you can believe that. If it didn't involve putting up a shot, Knox was generally not involved. Low assists, low rebounds, low steals, low blocks, low effort generally if he wasn't hunting a shot.

Bagley was and still is a big, not a wing, so he's not really an apples to apples comparison.

But back to Kuminga himself. You mentioned beating people off the dribble. At 18 and half years old. Against G league competition. You didn't mention how his dribbling got him nowhere and how he shot 38,7% FG in general and his APG to TO ratio was basically 1-1. So his advanced taking people off the dribble never really got him anywhere, didn't it?

His dribbling got him nowhere in what respect? Because he drew fouls and got to the line as well as any other player in the G-League bubble. He also finished well at the rim and in the paint.

I also don't think you really understand how encouraging it is for an 18-year-old wing prospect to average 4 AST/100 against all older players at a level above high school. And the age thing certainly matters as Kuminga opted to forgo his senior year of high school and reclassify into a year up. How much better would he look with another full year of training and development like Green, Suggs, Cunningham and Mobley all have over him?

So, hypoteticlly, how do you think 20 years old non-lottery pick would stack against that competition ? You think he would struggle? After all, as you said, those terrible, terrible draft busts had no defined nba skill,yet were LOTTERY PICKS, and Kuminga, according to you has sweet ability to take people off the dribble. Yet he struggles...

It stands to reason that a 20-year-old would do better than a 19-year-old and a 19-year-old would do better than an 18-year-old. Guys who are on further along on their developmental curve should do better.

So how would players who were NOT lottery picks, who DON'T have "defined skill" would stack against G league competition? I bet they would struggle!! They had to struggle, i mean, Kuminga has NBA defined skill but he struggled.

Luka Samanic -can't play in rookie year for terrible Spurs... 21 ppg in G league
Kevin Porter Jr.- mediocre college career, cut off nba team---25 ppg in G league

Neither Porter Jr. nor Samanic were really all that more impressive or effective than Kuminga, especially considering Samanic is 3 years older and Porter is 2 years older. They just shot the ball more and used more possessions.

Samanic 30.3 USG%
Porter Jr. 29.9 USG%

Kuminga's USG was 24.6%. Give him a 30 USG like those two guys and he'd have been well over 20 PPG as well since that's the metric you want to cite.

My point execlly. You don't know how good Kuminga and Green is, nobody does. Kuminga can just as easly end up being Ronda Hollis Jefferson / Andre Roberson/ Nassir Little type player.

Of course he *could* be like those guys, but I'm optimistic he will be a lot better because has already shown way more tangible wing skill - creating shots at the rim, passing, and drawing fouls all off dribble at a much younger age than any of the guys you named.

At 18 years old, all three of Hollis-Jefferson, Roberson and Little were still in high school.

RHJ was a 2-year college player. Roberson was a 3-year college player. They were both low usage guys who showed very little perimeter skill (dribble, pass, shoot).

Little had a horrific college season in which he showed even less perimeter skill than RHJ or Roberson. That justifiably killed his draft stock and he went in the mid 20s. Not sure how he's even a comparison when he only had 14 assists over his entire freshman season and Kuminga had 35 in 13 games even though he is playing a year up.

I'm hardly suggesting Kuminga is a flawless prospect. He's not. He's so young that there's going to be a lot of growing pains. But for the most part every guy you've tried to compare him to can't dribble, pass *or* shoot at a high level. It's three levels of struggle.

When you factor his age (which is definitely relevant) Kuminga looks like he has better foundation of dribbling and passing than all the guys you mentioned and more than a lot of 18 year old wing prospects. Bringing other things to the table offensively *should* (not saying it will) give him more leeway and time to develop his jump shot.

[RookieStar]

nice post Knightro.

Im stilm dumbfounded about Cam thought. I thlught for sure his talent and skill would translate to the pros. He has a good form in his 3pt form but its not just going in. Kind of like Cole.

As to kuminga, he is a. good to great player no doubt but I really find it hard to see him as a wing. Everything about him screams PF kind of like AG v2 as I said before.

[MagicFan101]

nice post Knightro.

Im stilm dumbfounded about Cam thought. I thlught for sure his talent and skill would translate to the pros. He has a good form in his 3pt form but its not just going in. Kind of like Cole.

As to kuminga, he is a. good to great player no doubt but I really find it hard to see him as a wing. Everything about him screams PF kind of like AG v2 as I said before.

Kuminga already looks like he understands how to play basketball better than AG. However, he doesn’t appear to have the crazy, effortless hops AG has.

I’ll take the slightly lesser athlete with a higher bball IQ any day.

[Knightro]

1. Cunningham
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Kuminga
6. Green
7. Cooper
8. Sengun
9. Wagner
10. Butler

Been about a month. Here's a new overall big board.

1. Cunningham
2. Barnes
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Kuminga
6. Mobley
7. Moody
8. Cooper
9. Sengun
10. Wagner

I really do love Scottie Barnes, but I just don't know if he fits this team.

For the Magic specifically (assuming Vucevic is not traded)

1. Cunningham
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Kuminga
5. Moody

[RookieStar]

nice post Knightro.

Im stilm dumbfounded about Cam thought. I thlught for sure his talent and skill would translate to the pros. He has a good form in his 3pt form but its not just going in. Kind of like Cole.

As to kuminga, he is a. good to great player no doubt but I really find it hard to see him as a wing. Everything about him screams PF kind of like AG v2 as I said before.

Kuminga already looks like he understands how to play basketball better than AG. However, he doesn’t appear to have the crazy, effortless hops AG has.

I’ll take the slightly lesser athlete with a higher bball IQ any day.

Who wouldnt choose the betttwr bbiq. But in the case of our team when we compare both to a wing... does Kuminga have a better ball handling than AG to justify him being a wing?

[RookieStar]

1. Cunningham
2. Suggs
3. Mobley
4. Barnes
5. Kuminga
6. Green
7. Cooper
8. Sengun
9. Wagner
10. Butler

Been about a month. Here's a new overall big board.

1. Cunningham
2. Barnes
3. Green
4. Suggs
5. Kuminga
6. Mobley
7. Moody
8. Cooper
9. Sengun
10. Wagner

I really do love Scottie Barnes, but I just don't know if he fits this team.

For the Magic specifically (assuming Vucevic is not traded)

1. Cunningham
2. Green
3. Suggs
4. Kuminga
5. Moody

As of now, I think Suggs ia better than Green especially for us especially if its true Suggs is 6'5 as they say.

You have Moody over Bouknight?

Im actually on the fence.. if the choices remaining are Mobley and Kuminga, im tempted to trade down for bouknight/moody cuz that would mean the asset attached would be immense.

[Knightro]

nice post Knightro.

Im stilm dumbfounded about Cam thought. I thlught for sure his talent and skill would translate to the pros. He has a good form in his 3pt form but its not just going in. Kind of like Cole.

As to kuminga, he is a. good to great player no doubt but I really find it hard to see him as a wing. Everything about him screams PF kind of like AG v2 as I said before.

Reddish looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane as the old expression goes.

6'8" 210 lbs, 7'0 1/2 wingspan with plus athleticism and a pretty looking jumper. What's not to like?

The problem is the shot just doesn't go in. Combine that with the fact that even if he could pass (which it doesn't appear he can), Reddish is a lot like Aaron Gordon in the respect that his athleticism, which is clearly good, just doesn't play up at all when he has the ball in his hands being guarded and has to try and beat defenders using his dribble.

If your functional ball handling is poor as a wing, you better be a good shooter or else you're going to have a really tough time being a good offensive player.

[Def Swami]

I have it

1a. Cunningham
1b. Suggs

3. Green

4. Mobley
5. Kuminga

6. Severe disappointment

7a. Bouknight
7b. Moody







8-29. Sadness, despair, futility

What puts Suggs at a clear separation from Green and into the Cade tier for you?

I like certain aspects of Suggs' game more than Green's. He's a natural playmaker. He plays with his head up and always makes the right reads. He plays with good pace. He's a next level passer. He's also a really good shooter. His jumper is smooth off the bounce or on the catch. Like Green, he has good burst to his game. He's quick and finish through traffic. He's actually my favorite player to watch among all these guys.

And he's just a gamer. I love guys that show up in crunch time and make winning plays.

Watch on YouTube

;ab_channel=Swish

Green is a really talented guy. He's an elite athlete that can get to the basket anytime he wants. But, I think he can sometimes get tunnel vision on offense. When his jumpshot is clicking, he's great. When it's not, there were times I felt like he was absent or not really impacting the game. I'm not sure he's a guy you can run your offense through whereas I believe Suggs will be a lead on-ball player.