When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If he sits out too much time, doesn't his contract get changed? I feel like there was all kinds of injury exceptions in his contract.

Second, sources tell The Athletic that his contract contains an “Exhibit 3,” which could limit or eliminate his salary protection based on an injury to a certain body part. That body part would almost certainly be his left knee that just suffered a torn ACL.

[Magic_Kingdom]

If he sits out too much time, doesn't his contract get changed? I feel like there was all kinds of injury exceptions in his contract.

Second, sources tell The Athletic that his contract contains an “Exhibit 3,” which could limit or eliminate his salary protection based on an injury to a certain body part. That body part would almost certainly be his left knee that just suffered a torn ACL.

So it's not that his salary is reduced -- it's that the guaranteed money is reduced. Which means the Magic likely would have to release him to receive any benefit from the Exhibit 3 clause. If he stays on the roster then the Magic continue to pay him his $17.4 million per year. If they waive him because of the knee injury, then he won't get the full remainder of the contract because it's not fully guaranteed. Since Hollinger said "could limit *or* eliminate his salary protection", we don't know for sure whether it renders post-waiver years non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed.

The existence of this clause makes it less likely the Magic are holding him out for tanking purposes even though he's healthy. There's no way his agent would allow the Magic to compile evidence of a career-threatening injury that could be used in the future against his client if he's capable of playing now.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If he sits out too much time, doesn't his contract get changed? I feel like there was all kinds of injury exceptions in his contract.

Second, sources tell The Athletic that his contract contains an “Exhibit 3,” which could limit or eliminate his salary protection based on an injury to a certain body part. That body part would almost certainly be his left knee that just suffered a torn ACL.

So it's not that his salary is reduced -- it's that the guaranteed money is reduced. Which means the Magic likely would have to release him to receive any benefit from the Exhibit 3 clause. If he stays on the roster then the Magic continue to pay him his $17.4 million per year. If they waive him because of the knee injury, then he won't get the full remainder of the contract because it's not fully guaranteed. Since Hollinger said "could limit *or* eliminate his salary protection", we don't know for sure whether it renders post-waiver years non-guaranteed or partially guaranteed.

The existence of this clause makes it less likely the Magic are holding him out for tanking purposes even though he's healthy. There's no way his agent would allow the Magic to compile evidence of a career-threatening injury that could be used in the future against his client if he's capable of playing now.

BINGO there’s no way he’s being held out heathy just to tank. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if he’s not on the Magic after this upcoming 22-23 year.

In terms of $ owed you’d think Magic would be able to get out of any money starting after the day he’s waived.

[pepe1991]

From what i figured from CBA documents, only way Magic could use exibit 3 clause on Isaac would be if they terminate his contract. So he would instantlly become vaiwed player and UFA.

Huge text in spoiler but bit of explanation at th end

Spoiler:

If this Contract is terminated by the Team by reason of the Player’s failure to render his services hereunder due to disability caused by an injury to the Player resulting directly from his playing for the Team and rendering him unfit to play skilled basketball, and notice of such injury is given by the Player as provided herein, the Player shall (subject to the provisions set forth in Exhibit 3) be entitled to receive his full Base Compensation for the Season in which the injury was sustained (or, in the case of a Two-Way Contract, his Two-Way Annual NBADL Salary for such NBADL Regular Season (prorated as necessary if the Two-Way Contract was entered into after the start of the NBADL Regular Season) plus (i) any Two-Way NBA Salary earned by such Two-Way Player during such NBA Regular Season prior to the date of termination, less (ii) such Two-Way Player’s Two-Way NBADL Salary covering the number of NBA Days of Service accrued by such Two-Way Player during such NBA Regular Season prior to the date of termination), less all workers’ compensation benefits (which, to the extent permitted by law, and if not deducted from the Player’s Compensation by the Team, the Player hereby assigns to the Team) and any insurance provided for by the Team paid or payable to the Player by reason of said injury.
Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 16(b) above, if this Contract is terminated by the Team prior to the first game of a Regular Season by reason of the Player’s failure to render his services hereunder due to an injury or condition sustained or suffered during a preceding Season, or after such Season but prior to the Player’s participation in any basketball practice or game played for the Team, payment by the Team of any Compensation earned through the date of termination under paragraph 3(b) above, payment of the Player’s board, lodging, and expense allowance during the training camp period, payment of the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home city, and the expert training and coaching provided by the Team to the Player during the training season shall be full payment to the Player.
If this Contract is terminated by the Team during the period designated by the Team for attendance at NBA training camp, payment by the Team of any Compensation earned through the date of termination under paragraph 3(b) above, payment of the Player’s board, lodging, and expense allowance during such period to the date of termination, payment of the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home city, and the expert training and coaching provided by the Team to the Player during the training season shall be full payment to the Player.
If this Contract is terminated by the Team after the first game of a Regular Season, except in the case provided for in subparagraphs (a)(iii) and (b) of this paragraph 16, (A) with respect to a Standard NBA Contract, the Player shall be entitled to receive as full payment hereunder a sum of money which, when added to the salary which he has already received during such Season, will represent the same proportionate amount of the annual sum set forth in Exhibit 1 or Exhibit 1A hereto as the number of days of such Regular Season then past bears to the total number of days of such Regular Season, plus the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home, and (B) with respect to a Two-Way Contract, the Player shall be entitled to receive as full payment hereunder a sum of money which, when added to the salary which he has already received during such Season, shall equal the sum of the Player’s Two-Way NBA Salary (reflecting the number of NBA Days of Service the Player has accrued up until the date of termination) and the Player’s Two-Way NBADL Salary (reflecting the number of NBADL Days of Service the Player has accrued up until the date of termination), plus the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home.
If the Team proposes to terminate this Contract in accordance with subparagraph (a) of this paragraph 16, it must first comply with the following waiver procedure:
The Team shall request the NBA Commissioner to request waivers from all other clubs. Such waiver request may not be withdrawn.
Upon receipt of the waiver request, any other NBA Team may claim assignment of this Contract at such waiver price as may be fixed by the League, the priority of claims to be determined in accordance with the NBA Constitution and By-Laws.
If this Contract is so claimed, the Team agrees that it shall, upon the assignment of this Contract to the claiming Team, notify the Player of such assignment as provided in paragraph 10(c) hereof, and the Player agrees he shall report to the assignee Team as provided in said paragraph 10(c).
If the Contract is not claimed prior to the expiration of the waiver period, it shall terminate and the Team shall promptly deliver written notice of termination to the Player.
The NBA shall promptly notify the Players Association of the disposition of any waiver request.
To the extent not inconsistent with the foregoing provisions of this subparagraph (f), the waiver procedures set forth in the NBA Constitution and By-Laws, a copy of which, as in effect on the date of this Contract, is attached hereto, shall govern.
Upon any termination of this Contract by the Player, all obligations of the Team to pay Compensation shall cease on the date of termination, except the obligation of the Team to pay the Player’s Compensation to said date.

In other words, his clause is worthless if he it's not career ending injury and doesn't save Magic any money. It's there for cosmetic reasons.

[Magic_Kingdom]

From what i figured from CBA documents, only way Magic could use exibit 3 clause on Isaac would be if they terminate his contract. So he would instantlly become vaiwed player and UFA.

Huge text in spoiler but bit of explanation at th end

Spoiler:

If this Contract is terminated by the Team by reason of the Player’s failure to render his services hereunder due to disability caused by an injury to the Player resulting directly from his playing for the Team and rendering him unfit to play skilled basketball, and notice of such injury is given by the Player as provided herein, the Player shall (subject to the provisions set forth in Exhibit 3) be entitled to receive his full Base Compensation for the Season in which the injury was sustained (or, in the case of a Two-Way Contract, his Two-Way Annual NBADL Salary for such NBADL Regular Season (prorated as necessary if the Two-Way Contract was entered into after the start of the NBADL Regular Season) plus (i) any Two-Way NBA Salary earned by such Two-Way Player during such NBA Regular Season prior to the date of termination, less (ii) such Two-Way Player’s Two-Way NBADL Salary covering the number of NBA Days of Service accrued by such Two-Way Player during such NBA Regular Season prior to the date of termination), less all workers’ compensation benefits (which, to the extent permitted by law, and if not deducted from the Player’s Compensation by the Team, the Player hereby assigns to the Team) and any insurance provided for by the Team paid or payable to the Player by reason of said injury.
Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 16(b) above, if this Contract is terminated by the Team prior to the first game of a Regular Season by reason of the Player’s failure to render his services hereunder due to an injury or condition sustained or suffered during a preceding Season, or after such Season but prior to the Player’s participation in any basketball practice or game played for the Team, payment by the Team of any Compensation earned through the date of termination under paragraph 3(b) above, payment of the Player’s board, lodging, and expense allowance during the training camp period, payment of the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home city, and the expert training and coaching provided by the Team to the Player during the training season shall be full payment to the Player.
If this Contract is terminated by the Team during the period designated by the Team for attendance at NBA training camp, payment by the Team of any Compensation earned through the date of termination under paragraph 3(b) above, payment of the Player’s board, lodging, and expense allowance during such period to the date of termination, payment of the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home city, and the expert training and coaching provided by the Team to the Player during the training season shall be full payment to the Player.
If this Contract is terminated by the Team after the first game of a Regular Season, except in the case provided for in subparagraphs (a)(iii) and (b) of this paragraph 16, (A) with respect to a Standard NBA Contract, the Player shall be entitled to receive as full payment hereunder a sum of money which, when added to the salary which he has already received during such Season, will represent the same proportionate amount of the annual sum set forth in Exhibit 1 or Exhibit 1A hereto as the number of days of such Regular Season then past bears to the total number of days of such Regular Season, plus the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home, and (B) with respect to a Two-Way Contract, the Player shall be entitled to receive as full payment hereunder a sum of money which, when added to the salary which he has already received during such Season, shall equal the sum of the Player’s Two-Way NBA Salary (reflecting the number of NBA Days of Service the Player has accrued up until the date of termination) and the Player’s Two-Way NBADL Salary (reflecting the number of NBADL Days of Service the Player has accrued up until the date of termination), plus the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home.
If the Team proposes to terminate this Contract in accordance with subparagraph (a) of this paragraph 16, it must first comply with the following waiver procedure:
The Team shall request the NBA Commissioner to request waivers from all other clubs. Such waiver request may not be withdrawn.
Upon receipt of the waiver request, any other NBA Team may claim assignment of this Contract at such waiver price as may be fixed by the League, the priority of claims to be determined in accordance with the NBA Constitution and By-Laws.
If this Contract is so claimed, the Team agrees that it shall, upon the assignment of this Contract to the claiming Team, notify the Player of such assignment as provided in paragraph 10(c) hereof, and the Player agrees he shall report to the assignee Team as provided in said paragraph 10(c).
If the Contract is not claimed prior to the expiration of the waiver period, it shall terminate and the Team shall promptly deliver written notice of termination to the Player.
The NBA shall promptly notify the Players Association of the disposition of any waiver request.
To the extent not inconsistent with the foregoing provisions of this subparagraph (f), the waiver procedures set forth in the NBA Constitution and By-Laws, a copy of which, as in effect on the date of this Contract, is attached hereto, shall govern.
Upon any termination of this Contract by the Player, all obligations of the Team to pay Compensation shall cease on the date of termination, except the obligation of the Team to pay the Player’s Compensation to said date.

In other words, his clause is worthless if he it's not career ending injury and doesn't save Magic any money. It's there for cosmetic reasons.

This is my interpretation as well. The Magic are only protected if: a) his injury renders him physically unable to play, and b) the Magic release him and terminate the deal as a result. In the event of a potential future disagreement on whether Isaac is physically able to play, I assume that term has been defined in the contract. His current status is obviously the most important factor, but the fact that he only lasted 1.5 games before re-injuring the knee the last time he was on the court (after an extended rehab for an MCL sprain) is evidence that would support, at least, a recommendation that he no longer play competitive basketball.

I think doctors will also consider that he couldn't stay on the court during his rookie season either, playing only 27 games. He suffered repeated ankle injuries before they shut him down. At that time they said they were going to work on his strength and core and balance and all the things they are saying now. The knee is the next joint up from the ankle, so if the ankle holds it is the next stress point.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

From what i figured from CBA documents, only way Magic could use exibit 3 clause on Isaac would be if they terminate his contract. So he would instantlly become vaiwed player and UFA.

Huge text in spoiler but bit of explanation at th end

Spoiler:

If this Contract is terminated by the Team by reason of the Player’s failure to render his services hereunder due to disability caused by an injury to the Player resulting directly from his playing for the Team and rendering him unfit to play skilled basketball, and notice of such injury is given by the Player as provided herein, the Player shall (subject to the provisions set forth in Exhibit 3) be entitled to receive his full Base Compensation for the Season in which the injury was sustained (or, in the case of a Two-Way Contract, his Two-Way Annual NBADL Salary for such NBADL Regular Season (prorated as necessary if the Two-Way Contract was entered into after the start of the NBADL Regular Season) plus (i) any Two-Way NBA Salary earned by such Two-Way Player during such NBA Regular Season prior to the date of termination, less (ii) such Two-Way Player’s Two-Way NBADL Salary covering the number of NBA Days of Service accrued by such Two-Way Player during such NBA Regular Season prior to the date of termination), less all workers’ compensation benefits (which, to the extent permitted by law, and if not deducted from the Player’s Compensation by the Team, the Player hereby assigns to the Team) and any insurance provided for by the Team paid or payable to the Player by reason of said injury.
Notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph 16(b) above, if this Contract is terminated by the Team prior to the first game of a Regular Season by reason of the Player’s failure to render his services hereunder due to an injury or condition sustained or suffered during a preceding Season, or after such Season but prior to the Player’s participation in any basketball practice or game played for the Team, payment by the Team of any Compensation earned through the date of termination under paragraph 3(b) above, payment of the Player’s board, lodging, and expense allowance during the training camp period, payment of the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home city, and the expert training and coaching provided by the Team to the Player during the training season shall be full payment to the Player.
If this Contract is terminated by the Team during the period designated by the Team for attendance at NBA training camp, payment by the Team of any Compensation earned through the date of termination under paragraph 3(b) above, payment of the Player’s board, lodging, and expense allowance during such period to the date of termination, payment of the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home city, and the expert training and coaching provided by the Team to the Player during the training season shall be full payment to the Player.
If this Contract is terminated by the Team after the first game of a Regular Season, except in the case provided for in subparagraphs (a)(iii) and (b) of this paragraph 16, (A) with respect to a Standard NBA Contract, the Player shall be entitled to receive as full payment hereunder a sum of money which, when added to the salary which he has already received during such Season, will represent the same proportionate amount of the annual sum set forth in Exhibit 1 or Exhibit 1A hereto as the number of days of such Regular Season then past bears to the total number of days of such Regular Season, plus the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home, and (B) with respect to a Two-Way Contract, the Player shall be entitled to receive as full payment hereunder a sum of money which, when added to the salary which he has already received during such Season, shall equal the sum of the Player’s Two-Way NBA Salary (reflecting the number of NBA Days of Service the Player has accrued up until the date of termination) and the Player’s Two-Way NBADL Salary (reflecting the number of NBADL Days of Service the Player has accrued up until the date of termination), plus the reasonable traveling expenses of the Player to his home.
If the Team proposes to terminate this Contract in accordance with subparagraph (a) of this paragraph 16, it must first comply with the following waiver procedure:
The Team shall request the NBA Commissioner to request waivers from all other clubs. Such waiver request may not be withdrawn.
Upon receipt of the waiver request, any other NBA Team may claim assignment of this Contract at such waiver price as may be fixed by the League, the priority of claims to be determined in accordance with the NBA Constitution and By-Laws.
If this Contract is so claimed, the Team agrees that it shall, upon the assignment of this Contract to the claiming Team, notify the Player of such assignment as provided in paragraph 10(c) hereof, and the Player agrees he shall report to the assignee Team as provided in said paragraph 10(c).
If the Contract is not claimed prior to the expiration of the waiver period, it shall terminate and the Team shall promptly deliver written notice of termination to the Player.
The NBA shall promptly notify the Players Association of the disposition of any waiver request.
To the extent not inconsistent with the foregoing provisions of this subparagraph (f), the waiver procedures set forth in the NBA Constitution and By-Laws, a copy of which, as in effect on the date of this Contract, is attached hereto, shall govern.
Upon any termination of this Contract by the Player, all obligations of the Team to pay Compensation shall cease on the date of termination, except the obligation of the Team to pay the Player’s Compensation to said date.

In other words, his clause is worthless if he it's not career ending injury and doesn't save Magic any money. It's there for cosmetic reasons.

Feel like the FO is setting it up for him to medically retire, whether that's this off season or next. They're sitting back letting him take his time, showing minimal progress and not really giving updates. He clearly had a significant set back and they're doing what they can to get him back while also creating a case against him being able to ever play again.

[swarlesbarkley]

Has the "will he / won't he" drama been as entertaining as anything JI gave us in a game?

Did any other JI thread make it 37 pages lol?

[jezzerinho]

I am 100000% over Jonathan Isaac. I just treat him now like he never existed.

[Magic_Kingdom]

Hey guys, good news! Looks like Mosley said at practice today that JI is doing NON-CONTACT WORK. Stay tuned for more video of him standing under a basket by himself tossing the ball up against the backboard.

[basketballRob]

Has the "will he / won't he" drama been as entertaining as anything JI gave us in a game?

Did any other JI thread make it 37 pages lol?

Mostly just haters because he's a conservative.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

Has the "will he / won't he" drama been as entertaining as anything JI gave us in a game?

Did any other JI thread make it 37 pages lol?

Mostly just haters because he's a conservative.

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Yeah, doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he's played in 36% of potential games since he got here and pulls the team's highest paycheck.

[basketballRob]

Has the "will he / won't he" drama been as entertaining as anything JI gave us in a game?

Did any other JI thread make it 37 pages lol?

Mostly just haters because he's a conservative.

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Yeah, doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he's played in 36% of potential games since he got here and pulls the team's highest paycheck.

We aren't going win anything this year anyway. The team is being very careful with him because they can. If we were contenders he'd likely be already playing

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[pepe1991]

Mostly just haters because he's a conservative.

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Yeah, doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he's played in 36% of potential games since he got here and pulls the team's highest paycheck.

We aren't going win anything this year anyway. The team is being very careful with him because they can. If we were contenders he'd likely be already playing

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We are not winning anything next year or year after that. Or year after that. Might as well sit him for rest of his contract so he can be healthy when he signs for contender in 2026.

Fact that guy is turning 25 this year and has 130 games played is hilarious if you know that David Robinson served army, didn't play for 2 years, and by the time he turned 25, he already played more games in two seasons than Isaac in 5.

[Ducklett]

Yeah, doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he's played in 36% of potential games since he got here and pulls the team's highest paycheck.

We aren't going win anything this year anyway. The team is being very careful with him because they can. If we were contenders he'd likely be already playing

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We are not winning anything next year or year after that. Or year after that. Might as well sit him for rest of his contract so he can be healthy when he signs for contender in 2026.

Fact that guy is turning 25 this year and has 130 games played is hilarious if you know that David Robinson served army, didn't play for 2 years, and by the time he turned 25, he already played more games in two seasons than Isaac in 5.

So he is Zion!

[yoyojw17]

Yeah, doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he's played in 36% of potential games since he got here and pulls the team's highest paycheck.

We aren't going win anything this year anyway. The team is being very careful with him because they can. If we were contenders he'd likely be already playing

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We are not winning anything next year or year after that. Or year after that. Might as well sit him for rest of his contract so he can be healthy when he signs for contender in 2026.

Fact that guy is turning 25 this year and has 130 games played is hilarious if you know that David Robinson served army, didn't play for 2 years, and by the time he turned 25, he already played more games in two seasons than Isaac in 5.

Ok Nostradamus lol

[Magic_Kingdom]

We aren't going win anything this year anyway. The team is being very careful with him because they can. If we were contenders he'd likely be already playing

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We are not winning anything next year or year after that. Or year after that. Might as well sit him for rest of his contract so he can be healthy when he signs for contender in 2026.

Fact that guy is turning 25 this year and has 130 games played is hilarious if you know that David Robinson served army, didn't play for 2 years, and by the time he turned 25, he already played more games in two seasons than Isaac in 5.

So he is Zion!

Ready for something depressing? Zion has played in a higher percentage of possible games in his career than Isaac.

Zion:
85 games out of 203
42%

Isaac
136 games out of 369
37%

[swarlesbarkley]

Has the "will he / won't he" drama been as entertaining as anything JI gave us in a game?

Did any other JI thread make it 37 pages lol?

Mostly just haters because he's a conservative.

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There wouldn't be nearly the attention on his right wing road trips if he was playing basketball. Then again, he might not have time for all those interviews if he was playing either.

[Ducklett]

We are not winning anything next year or year after that. Or year after that. Might as well sit him for rest of his contract so he can be healthy when he signs for contender in 2026.

Fact that guy is turning 25 this year and has 130 games played is hilarious if you know that David Robinson served army, didn't play for 2 years, and by the time he turned 25, he already played more games in two seasons than Isaac in 5.

So he is Zion!

Ready for something depressing? Zion has played in a higher percentage of possible games in his career than Isaac.

Zion:
85 games out of 203
42%

Isaac
136 games out of 369
37%

It isn't really that depressing because Zion was supposed to be the next face of the League. Isaac was picked after all the "good players" in his draft. It is a shame we didn't draft everyone's favorite player in that draft at our spot Dennis "I am already out of the league" Smith Jr.

[swarlesbarkley]

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[swarlesbarkley]

We are not winning anything next year or year after that. Or year after that. Might as well sit him for rest of his contract so he can be healthy when he signs for contender in 2026.

Fact that guy is turning 25 this year and has 130 games played is hilarious if you know that David Robinson served army, didn't play for 2 years, and by the time he turned 25, he already played more games in two seasons than Isaac in 5.

So he is Zion!

Ready for something depressing? Zion has played in a higher percentage of possible games in his career than Isaac.

Zion:
85 games out of 203
42%

Isaac
136 games out of 369
37%

Zion's case is interesting because it seems like it's 50% health related and 50% Zion doesn't want to be in NO. For JI - it's either 100% health related or 100% leadership holding in him out. As others have pointed out, JI wouldn't move this team out of the top 4 ping pong balls so I think it's 100% health related.