2023-2024 Regular Season Game 36: Atlanta Hawks (14-20) at Orlando Magic (20-15) - 6pm

[magik9113]

So apparently Houstan is the first Magic 2nd round pick to score 25pts since 1990….

Gortat never scored that much???

IDK if he scored that much with us and technically he was drafted by PHX and Magic bought his rights.

I think the most he ever scored with us was 16. Meanwhile, he had an 18 rebound game.

[JoshuaPotter]

It is interesting that this is a tale of two teams that appear headed in different directions.

I am going to say it, but I would take 10-15mpg every game from Isaac consistently over Okeke's best game. Okeke's future is narrowed into third stringer deep bench I think. Playing the role he is in now due to injury.

There isn't a planet though where I wouldn't prefer a 10mpg Isaac over him. Alas, what I am getting at here is Okeke's currently being available at deep bench right now is trumping Isaac on and off performance. Even though we likely have this and next season to see what happens with Isaac.

[T-Cat]

Additional takeaways
- I have been wondering if houstan on and off showcase was a work for an upcoming trade. Now he has elevated his value to a possible addition by subtraction piece. Or at least, makes it feels like he is softening a blow
- This was Okeke's moment. The NBA I do not think is for you unless you want a deep 3rd stringer life / G League / Two way player.
- Suggs has cemented the idea that he is our 3rd best player and possibly a core one at that
- I have always taken the "trade Franz" as a meme, if you hear me say "trade Franz" i am just living up to that meme. I am not, in any way considering it. Maybe for a top 3 player....maybe.

Edit : It was Fultz first game back. Let him get the butterflies out of his stomach and 2 games under his belt before we decide he is damage goods. Lordy that was NOT the comeback game I was expecting due to the amount of time off.

I would probably consider moving Franz and pick around draft time for Alex Sarr Center from France!

Franz is coming up on a contract extension and we have to figure out our interior presence situation someday!

I would say there is still time to delete this, but I already responded.

Unless you meant Fultz and not Franz.

What players are on the table for Franz! Unless Giannis magically gets unhappy with Bucks organization after signing extension! There's no one I would really realistically trade him for!

Luka is not going no where!

[zaymon]

I wrote it before but Fultz has symptoms which could be best descibed by Conversion disorder. Its rarely as obvious as in his case. We even know some of his background, and it all adds up. If he is not under psychiatric care its malpractice from the front office.
By extending him we are just delaying the time he gets professional help and playing professional sport under such pressure is making his symptoms more severe. I get that Weltman wants to prove he made a good trade and maybe even he thinks that he is helping Markelle but thats not true, he is just making things worse. Bad move by the front office, very short sighted. Dissapointing with all the assets they got.

[p0peye]

I wrote it before but Fultz has symptoms which could be best descibed by Conversion disorder. Its rarely as obvious as in his case. We even know some of his background, and it all adds up. If he is not under psychiatric care its malpractice from the front office.
By extending him we are just delaying the time he gets professional help and playing professional sport under such pressure is making his symptoms more severe. I get that Weltman wants to prove he made a good trade and maybe even he thinks that he is helping Markelle but thats not true, he is just making things worse. Bad move by the front office, very short sighted. Dissapointing with all the assets they got.

I have no idea what that is and I agree that we are torturing this young man. He might be pressured from friends and family to earn more money, but in my opinion he got enough as is and should be looking after himself and his wellbeing. There is a lot in a life outside of basketball and if he manages his wealth properly, he can live comfortably for the rest of his life.

[p0peye]

I would probably consider moving Franz and pick around draft time for Alex Sarr Center from France!

Franz is coming up on a contract extension and we have to figure out our interior presence situation someday!

I would say there is still time to delete this, but I already responded.

Unless you meant Fultz and not Franz.

What players are on the table for Franz! Unless Giannis magically gets unhappy with Bucks organization after signing extension! There's no one I would really realistically trade him for!

Luka is not going no where!

Your exclamation marks are really proving your point!

[JoshuaPotter]

I wrote it before but Fultz has symptoms which could be best descibed by Conversion disorder. Its rarely as obvious as in his case. We even know some of his background, and it all adds up. If he is not under psychiatric care its malpractice from the front office.
By extending him we are just delaying the time he gets professional help and playing professional sport under such pressure is making his symptoms more severe. I get that Weltman wants to prove he made a good trade and maybe even he thinks that he is helping Markelle but thats not true, he is just making things worse. Bad move by the front office, very short sighted. Dissapointing with all the assets they got.

I have no idea what that is and I agree that we are torturing this young man. He might be pressured from friends and family to earn more money, but in my opinion he got enough as is and should be looking after himself and his wellbeing. There is a lot in a life outside of basketball and if he manages his wealth properly, he can live comfortably for the rest of his life.

I do not know if we are torturing him. Just oh my.....

If he isn't ready, don't play him. That's my easy peasy stance. If he is injured beyond the ability to play again. Waive him and open up the roster slot.

Much like Isaac, I do not want Fultz ruining the rest of his life over a basketball game. Isaac I think will forcefully play for us on and off because we are stuck with him and he wants to be a professional.

Fultz. I am not going to accuse him of not being a professional either. It is just becoming harder and harder to justify keeping him. Unlike Isaac, Fultz talents only gives us half of wait we need. Which is "floor general".

[AaronB]

Additional takeaways
- I have been wondering if houstan on and off showcase was a work for an upcoming trade. Now he has elevated his value to a possible addition by subtraction piece. Or at least, makes it feels like he is softening a blow
- This was Okeke's moment. The NBA I do not think is for you unless you want a deep 3rd stringer life / G League / Two way player.
- Suggs has cemented the idea that he is our 3rd best player and possibly a core one at that
- I have always taken the "trade Franz" as a meme, if you hear me say "trade Franz" i am just living up to that meme. I am not, in any way considering it. Maybe for a top 3 player....maybe.

Edit : It was Fultz first game back. Let him get the butterflies out of his stomach and 2 games under his belt before we decide he is damage goods. Lordy that was NOT the comeback game I was expecting due to the amount of time off.

I would probably consider moving Franz and pick around draft time for Alex Sarr Center from France!

Franz is coming up on a contract extension and we have to figure out our interior presence situation someday!

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Franz is the kind of guy we have been waiting for for over a decade and now you want to trade him?

Yikes!

[pepe1991]

Isaac should have been medically retired back in 2021

[AaronB]

I wrote it before but Fultz has symptoms which could be best descibed by Conversion disorder. Its rarely as obvious as in his case. We even know some of his background, and it all adds up. If he is not under psychiatric care its malpractice from the front office.
By extending him we are just delaying the time he gets professional help and playing professional sport under such pressure is making his symptoms more severe. I get that Weltman wants to prove he made a good trade and maybe even he thinks that he is helping Markelle but thats not true, he is just making things worse. Bad move by the front office, very short sighted. Dissapointing with all the assets they got.

I have no idea what that is and I agree that we are torturing this young man. He might be pressured from friends and family to earn more money, but in my opinion he got enough as is and should be looking after himself and his wellbeing. There is a lot in a life outside of basketball and if he manages his wealth properly, he can live comfortably for the rest of his life.

I do not know if we are torturing him. Just oh my.....

If he isn't ready, don't play him. That's my easy peasy stance. If he is injured beyond the ability to play again. Waive him and open up the roster slot.

Much like Isaac, I do not want Fultz ruining the rest of his life over a basketball game. Isaac I think will forcefully play for us on and off because we are stuck with him and he wants to be a professional.

Fultz. I am not going to accuse him of not being a professional either. It is just becoming harder and harder to justify keeping him. Unlike Isaac, Fultz talents only gives us half of wait we need. Which is "floor general".

There is no person on this board more bullish on Fultz than I am.

Watching his interview yesterday was painful and it made me feel very sympathetic toward him. There are serious issues going on and I don't know what they are. This is obviously an issue that is much deeper than playing basketball.

Which does not mean that TOS did not occur. He was seen by some of the world's experts, especially the ones he saw from LA. Both are nervous system issues, it would not surprise me if one made someone more susceptible to the other.

[eyriq]

It really intrigued me that we started Okeke at the 2 and Houstan as the 3. I found myself thinking of Okeke as a combo forward, not a swingman, yet looking at B-R he plays at the 2 and 3, leaning more 2 than 3. Houstan also is played at either the 2 or 3 and skews more towards the 3. Jett is another swingman.

3 swingman prospects for a role we need to fill. Harris is too small and I think running him as the backup SG runs into too many 3 guard lineups.

It is just so obvious that Harris is the odd man out.

[Knightro]

It really intrigued me that we started Okeke at the 2 and Houstan as the 3. I found myself thinking of Okeke as a combo forward, not a swingman, yet looking at B-R he plays at the 2 and 3, leaning more 2 than 3. Houstan also is played at either the 2 or 3 and skews more towards the 3. Jett is another swingman.

3 swingman prospects for a role we need to fill. Harris is too small and I think running him as the backup SG runs into too many 3 guard lineups.

It is just so obvious that Harris is the odd man out.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the 2/3 thing.

[golfreak]

Now all of a sudden, everybody thinks we should start Caleb?

Let's figure this out.
Black isn't bringing anything offensively.
Houstan isn't any worst on defense than Harris and certainly just as good on offense and is much cheaper so we need to show Harris the door.
Best combination now is to have Suggs and Houstan out there sniping with Franz and Paolo and Goga anchoring the defense.
I think it's the best choice at the moment.

[eyriq]

It really intrigued me that we started Okeke at the 2 and Houstan as the 3. I found myself thinking of Okeke as a combo forward, not a swingman, yet looking at B-R he plays at the 2 and 3, leaning more 2 than 3. Houstan also is played at either the 2 or 3 and skews more towards the 3. Jett is another swingman.

3 swingman prospects for a role we need to fill. Harris is too small and I think running him as the backup SG runs into too many 3 guard lineups.

It is just so obvious that Harris is the odd man out.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the 2/3 thing.

What do you mean?

[golfreak]

Additional takeaways
- I have been wondering if houstan on and off showcase was a work for an upcoming trade. Now he has elevated his value to a possible addition by subtraction piece. Or at least, makes it feels like he is softening a blow
- This was Okeke's moment. The NBA I do not think is for you unless you want a deep 3rd stringer life / G League / Two way player.
- Suggs has cemented the idea that he is our 3rd best player and possibly a core one at that
- I have always taken the "trade Franz" as a meme, if you hear me say "trade Franz" i am just living up to that meme. I am not, in any way considering it. Maybe for a top 3 player....maybe.

Edit : It was Fultz first game back. Let him get the butterflies out of his stomach and 2 games under his belt before we decide he is damage goods. Lordy that was NOT the comeback game I was expecting due to the amount of time off.

I would probably consider moving Franz and pick around draft time for Alex Sarr Center from France!

Franz is coming up on a contract extension and we have to figure out our interior presence situation someday!

I would say there is still time to delete this, but I already responded.

Unless you meant Fultz and not Franz.

LOL, I thought the same thing when I read it.
Moving one of our untouchables ?? WTF ??
It's obviously at this point.
Paolo- max contract.
Franz- close to max contract.
Suggs- contract similar to WCJ.
Maybe a big contract for a FA and the rest of the team with smaller contracts.
Let this core stay together and see what kind of this team can be in 2-3 yrs.

[golfreak]

It really intrigued me that we started Okeke at the 2 and Houstan as the 3. I found myself thinking of Okeke as a combo forward, not a swingman, yet looking at B-R he plays at the 2 and 3, leaning more 2 than 3. Houstan also is played at either the 2 or 3 and skews more towards the 3. Jett is another swingman.

3 swingman prospects for a role we need to fill. Harris is too small and I think running him as the backup SG runs into too many 3 guard lineups.

It is just so obvious that Harris is the odd man out.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the 2/3 thing.

What do you mean?

He means it doesn't matter who's playing the SG/SF position. It's interchangeable.

[zaymon]

I have no idea what that is and I agree that we are torturing this young man. He might be pressured from friends and family to earn more money, but in my opinion he got enough as is and should be looking after himself and his wellbeing. There is a lot in a life outside of basketball and if he manages his wealth properly, he can live comfortably for the rest of his life.

I do not know if we are torturing him. Just oh my.....

If he isn't ready, don't play him. That's my easy peasy stance. If he is injured beyond the ability to play again. Waive him and open up the roster slot.

Much like Isaac, I do not want Fultz ruining the rest of his life over a basketball game. Isaac I think will forcefully play for us on and off because we are stuck with him and he wants to be a professional.

Fultz. I am not going to accuse him of not being a professional either. It is just becoming harder and harder to justify keeping him. Unlike Isaac, Fultz talents only gives us half of wait we need. Which is "floor general".

There is no person on this board more bullish on Fultz than I am.

Watching his interview yesterday was painful and it made me feel very sympathetic toward him. There are serious issues going on and I don't know what they are. This is obviously an issue that is much deeper than playing basketball.

Which does not mean that TOS did not occur. He was seen by some of the world's experts, especially the ones he saw from LA. Both are nervous system issues, it would not surprise me if one made someone more susceptible to the other.

No one wants to have psychiatric diagnosis. Thats why some people go to neurologists, and sometimes neurologists prescribe psychiatric drugs becouse otherwise patients wouldnt take it. Its also more and more common that neurologists consult with psychiatrists on cases they couldnt diagnose in the past.
We are not helping Fultz becouse he shouldnt be trying to play professional sports right now. People with his problems should go to psychotherapy, propably take medication and lower the stress in their lives. I think you all can see how severe his symptoms are ? Are we going to pretend we dont see it like coaches do right now? Thats just acting like a coward.
We wont help him with his mental health, he wont help us win. Its just prolonging the inevitable.

[Knightro]

It really intrigued me that we started Okeke at the 2 and Houstan as the 3. I found myself thinking of Okeke as a combo forward, not a swingman, yet looking at B-R he plays at the 2 and 3, leaning more 2 than 3. Houstan also is played at either the 2 or 3 and skews more towards the 3. Jett is another swingman.

3 swingman prospects for a role we need to fill. Harris is too small and I think running him as the backup SG runs into too many 3 guard lineups.

It is just so obvious that Harris is the odd man out.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the 2/3 thing.

What do you mean?

Those positions are the most interchangeable of the five.

[AaronB]

I do not know if we are torturing him. Just oh my.....

If he isn't ready, don't play him. That's my easy peasy stance. If he is injured beyond the ability to play again. Waive him and open up the roster slot.

Much like Isaac, I do not want Fultz ruining the rest of his life over a basketball game. Isaac I think will forcefully play for us on and off because we are stuck with him and he wants to be a professional.

Fultz. I am not going to accuse him of not being a professional either. It is just becoming harder and harder to justify keeping him. Unlike Isaac, Fultz talents only gives us half of wait we need. Which is "floor general".

There is no person on this board more bullish on Fultz than I am.

Watching his interview yesterday was painful and it made me feel very sympathetic toward him. There are serious issues going on and I don't know what they are. This is obviously an issue that is much deeper than playing basketball.

Which does not mean that TOS did not occur. He was seen by some of the world's experts, especially the ones he saw from LA. Both are nervous system issues, it would not surprise me if one made someone more susceptible to the other.

No one wants to have psychiatric diagnosis. Thats why some people go to neurologists, and sometimes neurologists prescribe psychiatric drugs becouse otherwise patients wouldnt take it. Its also more and more common that neurologists consult with psychiatrists on cases they couldnt diagnose in the past.
We are not helping Fultz becouse he shouldnt be trying to play professional sports right now. People with his problems should go to psychotherapy, propably take medication and lower the stress in their lives. I think you all can see how severe his symptoms are ? Are we going to pretend we dont see it like coaches do right now? Thats just acting like a coward.
We wont help him with his mental health, he wont help us win. Its just prolonging the inevitable.

You are incorrect about this.

There is no evidence of a psychiatric issue that I saw.

What I saw is a physical central nervous system issue like, for example, Turrets Syndrome.

[eyriq]

I wouldn't get too hung up on the 2/3 thing.

What do you mean?

He means it doesn't matter who's playing the SG/SF position. It's interchangeable.

I wouldn't get too hung up on the 2/3 thing.

What do you mean?

Those positions are the most interchangeable of the five.

Ok, that makes sense