The Trade Thread II

[Furinkazan]

If we can grab Terrence Ross and Lucas Nougeria for Ibaka, then we have made out pretty well IMO.

Lucas is a 24 year old center who is playing 20+ minutes on a really good playoff team. Great finisher and shot blocker. Ross is what he is. A rotation player on a contender. Doesn't need the dribble to be effective (good complement to Elf). I'd be surprised if we could get much better.

5 ppg. 5 rpg in 20 mins, just looks like a back up center. not seeing anything special

just scrub being a scrub

[MagicFan101]

It is interesting seeing Ibaka's value increase with a growing list of interested trade partners. As for Jaylen Brown, the Magic need to improve at SF. But I am not sure he is a fit. His poor shooting (and worse shot selection) can already be found in Gordon.

Payton/Fournier/Brown/Gordon/Vučević , that is an unbalanced starting five.


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An Ibaka trade for Brown would open playing time at PF for Gordon and possibly even SF for Mario. This only helps our tanking efforts.

It also saves us from ourselves in the upcoming Ibaka free agency.

That starting 5 wouldn't last beyond this season.

It then allows us less to go completely open minded into this draft with a focus on BPA. Sure we have Elf, but better PGs might be available. Sure we have Brown but better SFs might be available.

Brown could also be a nice big compliment to Fournier in backup SG time.

I'm still fine with no trade at all but if we do make a trade, Brown wouldn't be bad return.

[Xatticus]

Wizards fan here, coming in peace. but just to set the tone for you.
Korver, a 35 year old former all star on a 1 year deal went for a heavily protected 2019 first that has the potential to never get paid out and some filler contracts nothing of real value. Tim hardaway JR, a young SG on a 1 year deal could not be traded when they were asking for a 2ed round pick for him because msot teams anticipate him being over paid or having to over pay to keep him. the bucks dumped Plumlee on a terribly over paid contract and he went for hawes and hibbert. to short term cheap contracts and they did not have to give up any picks.

Thats is the market price right now. Ibaka probably is not staying any where he get's moved to and unless he signs an extension he is probably worth about what Korver went for or maybe just a little more. Probably a 2018 or 2019 pick probably small protection or unprotected and filler contracts or a redundant young guy with the filler and a future protected pick. You probably are not going to get a cash of young promising guys or star or a 2017 pick. Hes 27, already in decline, but still productive enough, can play good D and play two positions. He can help a team in the play off hunt, but there are not going to be a lot of offers offering you what you paid out for him because teams are only getting a couple months of him, with no promise of him staying, and there are teams out there that will have cap room to burn in the summer who will toss a huge close to max deal at him and none of those teams are they ones trying to trade for him the only team that might is boston.
He probably will get moved because at this point you have to, he won't stay too many better teams will be willing to pay him more money that you can offer him. Take what you can get and run with it. But that's just me and my 2 cents. I really do hope someone over pays for him thought for your sake, I would love to see you guys pull of a heist! I just hope its not the wizards over paying!

Those situations really aren't comparable to the Magic's situation with Ibaka. No fewer than eight teams have been linked with Ibaka, which means the Magic get to dictate the market.

I don't expect that we will get a return comparable to what we gave up, since I thought we got fleeced in acquiring him. But any team that thinks they will get him for a marginal prospect and a 2nd round pick is going to have to wait til free agency. That won't get it done.

[Max Power]

Agreed, the Magic can just keep Ibaka if the trade offers we get don't give us at least a solid pick or prospect. I doubt we get both but one of those things are a reasonable return. The cap space could be helpful. In truth I'd rather see the Magic look to package Ibaka with Fournier and start changing the aura of this team top to bottom. Vuc is on a cheap deal and despite the hyperbole in here, still the Magic's best player. They'll be time to move him around the draft if management chooses. I personally just hope it's not Rob Hennigan making the decisions then.


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[Airgordon00]

Agreed, the Magic can just keep Ibaka if the trade offers we get don't give us at least a solid pick or prospect. I doubt we get both but one of those things are a reasonable return. The cap space could be helpful. In truth I'd rather see the Magic look to package Ibaka with Fournier and start changing the aura of this team top to bottom. Vuc is on a cheap deal and despite the hyperbole in here, still the Magic's best player. They'll be time to move him around the draft if management chooses. I personally just hope it's not Rob Hennigan making the decisions then.


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I agree with the idea of packaging ibaka and Evan Fournier together. I think a playoff team who is looking for some really good complimentary pieces would benefit from acquiring both of them. The problem is there any teams with enough young players/Picks that they would be willing to give up to acquire them.

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[Chuck-Cheese]

So essentially Boston believes Brown does more to make them contenders in the east than Vuc or even Ibaka would? Something doesn't jive there. I could understand if you are taking the long haul approach and are reluctant to let go of a possible prospect, but in terms of impact now?Makes no sense unless they aren't actually interested in a chip in the short term?

No but adding Ibaka or Vuc doesn't either. I think the majority of Boston fans realize that the celts are not winning this year. They could add both Vuc and Ibaka and they are still not getting by Cleveland and certainly not GS. The idea of sacrificing Brown, Zizic or a nets pick for only marginal imprivement is just not worth it. if the celts have a chance to trade for a star then I would think they move the young assets but if that opportunity does not present itself then I think they will continue to build for the future. Ibaka would be a rental for the celts.

[axl_c_cool]

Vucevic, Ibaka, and Fournier all need to be traded. It's a culture now within the team, we need to rebuild and have a change of culture on and off the court. Moving those 3 could bring us some nice players and/or picks to do that. Where we are at the moment we can't/shouldn't pay Ibaka considering when our window will hopefully be, and Vucevic and Fournier are bench players on contenders or good role players on a playoff team

[Blue_and_Whte]

So essentially Boston believes Brown does more to make them contenders in the east than Vuc or even Ibaka would? Something doesn't jive there. I could understand if you are taking the long haul approach and are reluctant to let go of a possible prospect, but in terms of impact now?Makes no sense unless they aren't actually interested in a chip in the short term?

No but adding Ibaka or Vuc doesn't either. I think the majority of Boston fans realize that the celts are not winning this year. They could add both Vuc and Ibaka and they are still not getting by Cleveland and certainly not GS. The idea of sacrificing Brown, Zizic or a nets pick for only marginal imprivement is just not worth it. if the celts have a chance to trade for a star then I would think they move the young assets but if that opportunity does not present itself then I think they will continue to build for the future. Ibaka would be a rental for the celts.

Vuc and Ibaka are a marginal upgrade over jaylen brown? Is this **** real life?

[j-ragg]

If we can grab Terrence Ross and Lucas Nougeria for Ibaka, then we have made out pretty well IMO.

Lucas is a 24 year old center who is playing 20+ minutes on a really good playoff team. Great finisher and shot blocker. Ross is what he is. A rotation player on a contender. Doesn't need the dribble to be effective (good complement to Elf). I'd be surprised if we could get much better.

5 ppg. 5 rpg in 20 mins, just looks like a back up center. not seeing anything special

You guys know they won't trade us DeMarcus Cousins for Ibaka right? Nog wouldn't be a bad get. 2.9 bpg per 36 mins. He is gigantic. I would be happy with him and Ross. Just my opinion but putting 5/5 obviously doesn't tell the story cmon.

Not that he'd get any semblance of playing time here anyway lol.

[Chuck-Cheese]

So essentially Boston believes Brown does more to make them contenders in the east than Vuc or even Ibaka would? Something doesn't jive there. I could understand if you are taking the long haul approach and are reluctant to let go of a possible prospect, but in terms of impact now?Makes no sense unless they aren't actually interested in a chip in the short term?

No but adding Ibaka or Vuc doesn't either. I think the majority of Boston fans realize that the celts are not winning this year. They could add both Vuc and Ibaka and they are still not getting by Cleveland and certainly not GS. The idea of sacrificing Brown, Zizic or a nets pick for only marginal imprivement is just not worth it. if the celts have a chance to trade for a star then I would think they move the young assets but if that opportunity does not present itself then I think they will continue to build for the future. Ibaka would be a rental for the celts.

Vuc and Ibaka are a marginal upgrade over jaylen brown? Is this **** real life?

maybe I wasn't clear, neither improves the team enough to challenge the top teams competing for a title. If they were as good as you seem to think, wouldn't Orlando be a playoff team? The idea that you think you are going to get a return comparable to brown is laughable. If you think Boston is going to help you rebuild by correcting the terrible trade you made in acquiring ibaka then you are mistaken but I get the sense that you already know all this even if you don't want to admit it.

[VFX]

No but adding Ibaka or Vuc doesn't either. I think the majority of Boston fans realize that the celts are not winning this year. They could add both Vuc and Ibaka and they are still not getting by Cleveland and certainly not GS. The idea of sacrificing Brown, Zizic or a nets pick for only marginal imprivement is just not worth it. if the celts have a chance to trade for a star then I would think they move the young assets but if that opportunity does not present itself then I think they will continue to build for the future. Ibaka would be a rental for the celts.

Vuc and Ibaka are a marginal upgrade over jaylen brown? Is this **** real life?

maybe I wasn't clear, neither improves the team enough to challenge the top teams competing for a title. If they were as good as you seem to think, wouldn't Orlando be a playoff team? The idea that you think you are going to get a return comparable to brown is laughable. If you think Boston is going to help you rebuild by correcting the terrible trade you made in acquiring ibaka then you are mistaken but I get the sense that you already know all this even if you don't want to admit it.

Ibaka next to Horford would definitely put Boston in the conversation for challenging Cleveland in the east. The real question you should be asking yourself is whether Jaylen Brown helps you more than Ibaka does...

Hint- Any sane person will tell you Ibaka helps you more right now in your championship window. Especially in place of a young SF backup that plays 16mpg for you.

[Rockzin4]

The trade I was thinking about all morning was

Vucevic + Ibaka + Hezonja for Zeller + Johnson + Crowder + Zizic + Boston's 2018 pick

We get to crank the tank up to maximum speed, Crowder, and some two decent prospects.

In the offseason Boston can resign Ibaka if they want and pursue Hayward

[Chuck-Cheese]

Vuc and Ibaka are a marginal upgrade over jaylen brown? Is this **** real life?

maybe I wasn't clear, neither improves the team enough to challenge the top teams competing for a title. If they were as good as you seem to think, wouldn't Orlando be a playoff team? The idea that you think you are going to get a return comparable to brown is laughable. If you think Boston is going to help you rebuild by correcting the terrible trade you made in acquiring ibaka then you are mistaken but I get the sense that you already know all this even if you don't want to admit it.

Ibaka next to Horford would definitely put Boston in the conversation for challenging Cleveland in the east. The real question you should be asking yourself is whether Jaylen Brown helps you more than Ibaka does...

Hint- Any sane person will tell you Ibaka helps you more right now in your championship window. Especially in place of a young SF backup that plays 16mpg for you.

the celts have about as much chance of winning the NBA championship as thr magic. THat 19 year old may one day become a Very good player and we will all remember that we traded him away for a rental and got swept by Cleveland. No thanks

[Xatticus]

maybe I wasn't clear, neither improves the team enough to challenge the top teams competing for a title. If they were as good as you seem to think, wouldn't Orlando be a playoff team? The idea that you think you are going to get a return comparable to brown is laughable. If you think Boston is going to help you rebuild by correcting the terrible trade you made in acquiring ibaka then you are mistaken but I get the sense that you already know all this even if you don't want to admit it.

Ibaka next to Horford would definitely put Boston in the conversation for challenging Cleveland in the east. The real question you should be asking yourself is whether Jaylen Brown helps you more than Ibaka does...

Hint- Any sane person will tell you Ibaka helps you more right now in your championship window. Especially in place of a young SF backup that plays 16mpg for you.

the celts have about as much chance of winning the NBA championship as thr magic. THat 19 year old may one day become a Very good player and we will all remember that we traded him away for a rental and got swept by Cleveland. No thanks

I don't see why beating Cleveland is an unreasonable goal this year. Golden State is another matter. I can understand why you wouldn't part with Brown for an expiring Ibaka, but I wouldn't get so attached to him that you pass up an opportunity to add another key asset. The hype around Brown right now exceeds what he has shown over the last couple years. If he is entering the draft this year, he might not even go in the top 10.

[tiderulz]

Wizards fan here, coming in peace. but just to set the tone for you.
Korver, a 35 year old former all star on a 1 year deal went for a heavily protected 2019 first that has the potential to never get paid out and some filler contracts nothing of real value. Tim hardaway JR, a young SG on a 1 year deal could not be traded when they were asking for a 2ed round pick for him because msot teams anticipate him being over paid or having to over pay to keep him. the bucks dumped Plumlee on a terribly over paid contract and he went for hawes and hibbert. to short term cheap contracts and they did not have to give up any picks.

Thats is the market price right now. Ibaka probably is not staying any where he get's moved to and unless he signs an extension he is probably worth about what Korver went for or maybe just a little more. Probably a 2018 or 2019 pick probably small protection or unprotected and filler contracts or a redundant young guy with the filler and a future protected pick. You probably are not going to get a cash of young promising guys or star or a 2017 pick. Hes 27, already in decline, but still productive enough, can play good D and play two positions. He can help a team in the play off hunt, but there are not going to be a lot of offers offering you what you paid out for him because teams are only getting a couple months of him, with no promise of him staying, and there are teams out there that will have cap room to burn in the summer who will toss a huge close to max deal at him and none of those teams are they ones trying to trade for him the only team that might is boston.
He probably will get moved because at this point you have to, he won't stay too many better teams will be willing to pay him more money that you can offer him. Take what you can get and run with it. But that's just me and my 2 cents. I really do hope someone over pays for him thought for your sake, I would love to see you guys pull of a heist! I just hope its not the wizards over paying!

thanks for your opinion. As for his decline, he is putting up more efficient numbers than he has in years and the best 3 pt shooting in his career. Any team looking to get him now would be looking to get him long term. you gave examples, let's use two more. a trade of JJ Redick returned Tobias Harris on his rookie contract. Goran Dragic was traded for two 1st round picks.

[rcklsscognition]

Okafor trade seems to be heating up, not to us I would assume, but somewhere.

[Nemesis21]

Okafor trade seems to be heating up, not to us I would assume, but somewhere.

NOP

[MagicFan101]

Okafor trade seems to be heating up, not to us I would assume, but somewhere.

NOP

I'm really intrigued to see what Davis / Okafor can do.

They could also add a top prospect at PG or SF via the draft this year.

I'm not the biggest Buddy Hield fan but that is based on his college hype being far greater than his true NBA potential. As the 4th option he is not bad at all.

NO could be very interesting next year.

[Nemesis21]

Okafor trade seems to be heating up, not to us I would assume, but somewhere.

NOP

I'm really intrigued to see what Davis / Okafor can do.

They could also add a top prospect at PG or SF via the draft this year.

I'm not the biggest Buddy Hield fan but that is based on his college hype being far greater than his true NBA potential. As the 4th option he is not bad at all.

NO could be very interesting next year.

Probably SF, they want to resign Jrue.

Jrue
Hield
Jackson or Tatum
AD
Okafor

[MagicFan101]

NOP

I'm really intrigued to see what Davis / Okafor can do.

They could also add a top prospect at PG or SF via the draft this year.

I'm not the biggest Buddy Hield fan but that is based on his college hype being far greater than his true NBA potential. As the 4th option he is not bad at all.

NO could be very interesting next year.

Probably SF, they want to resign Jrue.

Jrue
Hield
Jackson or Tatum
AD
Okafor

This appears to be a 6-7 player draft with the big board changing every week the NO looking to bring up the rear of that range. If they go with BPA they may not have a choice of position. They make just have to take whoever is left.

But yeah; pulling off this trade, drafting Tatum and resigning Holiday would make them a very intriguing team.