2020 Offseason: Trade Ideas / Trade Talk

[Bensational]

2 seasons in a row ‘derailed’ by injuries and no action to improve the team outside of hoping that injured player/s return. I just don’t know how you stay the course so adamantly on a path that keeps getting worse and worse.

If they continue to run the same train of thought off the rails, some heads may roll let's say a year from now.

It seems like the organisation is happy with the results with a low set of standards. If the team returns healthy next season and earns another .500 record that would probably be a great success in their eyes.

[The Rebel]

Well, you dream big, both really benefit ORL

Who would you move for Ross?

Who ever it is, it is not Gary Harris. The idea that Orlando would want arguably the worst starting SG in the NBA for Ross; I wonder if some are on too much of the wacky-weed when they write editorials.

He's gonna make 20M next year. Look, I can swallow a trade this year to promote the tank. But we Magic fans must not be imagining NEXT years tank. That's just silly. But that is what Harris would bring: the L's.

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To answer the question, Ross would probably need to be part of a larger package. Something like Gordon, Bamba and Ross for Wiggins, Wanamaker, and Wiseman. That kind of deal.


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I am guessing it would be something like Barton and Bol, maybe with a pic. With MPJ making the switch to PF and Barton unhappy it makes sense to move those 2.

I doubt it would be Harris, while he is certainly injury prone and has now gotten injured 2 years in a row just after getting his shot back, his defense is a huge difference maker for our starters. While Ross would replace some of that, I doubt they would pay to move him and nobody is going to want him without compensation at this point.

[The Rebel]

I just don't understand why the 24th pick in a previous draft would be off the table, especially since hasn't shown anything yet. Odds are Hampton will never be as good as Ross is right now. Ross makes more contested 3s than anybody in the league, and makes them at a high rate. If the Magic were closer to contention, there is no way they would move him for Hampton, and it is fairly likely that the Magic FO thinks that Ross is more valuable to the future than Hampton. I just prefer a bigger step backwards, and put more chips into the future.

As for your suggestion. The Warriors have said they will not move the Minny pick OR Wiseman for anything short of a generational talent, which obviously none of those guys are, nor Vucevic.

Who says that Hampton hasn't shown anything? Hampton prior to getting covid had worked his way into the rotation despite us having 7 guards on the roster. Our front office takes boom/bust guys and hit on a lot of them, and they were high enough on Hampton to trade into the last 1st after just drafting the other guy they desperately wanted.

You have to understand how the Nuggets operate, to understand how well our rookies are doing. Both Hampton and NNaji are getting minutes so early in their careers is a huge thing. Since Malone took over the only other rookies that have gotten regular minutes this early in their rookie year for the Nuggets has been Murray/ Jokic/ MPJ/ Juancho (was a very effective young player prior to the hip injury)/Campazzo, and Mudiay (Mudiay was forced into the lineup due to Lawson imploding). Malone prefers rookies spend a year with the development staff with some time in the Gleague and some time working with the team, even getting regular minutes is a big deal for rookies.

[drsd]

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Nice to see written what is clear to hard-core Magic fans.

One thing to remind ourselves; if Fourier is let to expire he can be resigned as a FA. If he is traded, hen his contract expires, he cannot return to Orlando next season.

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[drsd]

I am guessing it would be something like Barton and Bol, maybe with a pic. With MPJ making the switch to PF and Barton unhappy it makes sense to move those 2.

Ross for Willy Barton and Bol Bol is interesting.

For Orlando, long term, this could be the backcourt: Isaac/Bol/Bamba. That is 21 feet and 4 inches of height there.


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[pepe1991]

I am guessing it would be something like Barton and Bol, maybe with a pic. With MPJ making the switch to PF and Barton unhappy it makes sense to move those 2.

Ross for Willy Barton and Bol Bol is interesting.

For Orlando, long term, this could be the backcourt: Isaac/Bol/Bamba. That is 21 feet and 4 inches of height there.


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Sounds great... for human centipede sequal

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Nice to see written what is clear to hard-core Magic fans.

One thing to remind ourselves; if Fourier is let to expire he can be resigned as a FA. If he is traded, hen his contract expires, he cannot return to Orlando next season.

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is trading Fournier & AG really blowing it up or just ridding of players that don't fit the so called "Path". I don't think any magic fan wants to really blow it all up down to the roots but a re tool is 4 years needed.

[jonbob17]

Who says that Hampton hasn't shown anything? Hampton prior to getting covid had worked his way into the rotation despite us having 7 guards on the roster. Our front office takes boom/bust guys and hit on a lot of them, and they were high enough on Hampton to trade into the last 1st after just drafting the other guy they desperately wanted.

You have to understand how the Nuggets operate, to understand how well our rookies are doing. Both Hampton and NNaji are getting minutes so early in their careers is a huge thing. Since Malone took over the only other rookies that have gotten regular minutes this early in their rookie year for the Nuggets has been Murray/ Jokic/ MPJ/ Juancho (was a very effective young player prior to the hip injury)/Campazzo, and Mudiay (Mudiay was forced into the lineup due to Lawson imploding). Malone prefers rookies spend a year with the development staff with some time in the Gleague and some time working with the team, even getting regular minutes is a big deal for rookies.

I like Hampton, that is why I said Ross for Hampton, please. Trying to suggest he has done anything projectable at this point is silly. His profile coming out was a burst athlete with a suspect shot, and in his very limited minutes that is what he has shown, not that I have watched too many Nuggets games, but some. Personally I think think the form is good enough and it will come around. He just turned 20 so who knows how he will turn out.

Ross is a 15.5 point a game 6th man, who is one of the better movement 3 point shooters in the league. He always ranks among the league leaders in 3pt % on contested shots. These attributes are valuable to all teams, especially in the playoffs, especially since he is good enough on defense.

My point was that the 24th pick in the last draft who is very raw, shouldn't untouchable for a player like Ross. I actually like the Barton idea, we could really use him, unfortunately this year is spent. It doesn't seem like our front office would give up Ross on a reasonable contract for an expiring, and an even bigger question mark in Bol. Maybe I am just too low on Bol. I do like the idea of him. Actually I would probably do that trade too, but would just prefer something built around Hampton, maybe even a little bigger with Aminu (or Ennis) and Harris.

[yoyojw17]

Who says that Hampton hasn't shown anything? Hampton prior to getting covid had worked his way into the rotation despite us having 7 guards on the roster. Our front office takes boom/bust guys and hit on a lot of them, and they were high enough on Hampton to trade into the last 1st after just drafting the other guy they desperately wanted.

You have to understand how the Nuggets operate, to understand how well our rookies are doing. Both Hampton and NNaji are getting minutes so early in their careers is a huge thing. Since Malone took over the only other rookies that have gotten regular minutes this early in their rookie year for the Nuggets has been Murray/ Jokic/ MPJ/ Juancho (was a very effective young player prior to the hip injury)/Campazzo, and Mudiay (Mudiay was forced into the lineup due to Lawson imploding). Malone prefers rookies spend a year with the development staff with some time in the Gleague and some time working with the team, even getting regular minutes is a big deal for rookies.

I like Hampton, that is why I said Ross for Hampton, please. Trying to suggest he has done anything projectable at this point is silly. His profile coming out was a burst athlete with a suspect shot, and in his very limited minutes that is what he has shown, not that I have watched too many Nuggets games, but some. Personally I think think the form is good enough and it will come around. He just turned 20 so who knows how he will turn out.

Ross is a 15.5 point a game 6th man, who is one of the better movement 3 point shooters in the league. He always ranks among the league leaders in 3pt % on contested shots. These attributes are valuable to all teams, especially in the playoffs, especially since he is good enough on defense.

My point was that the 24th pick in the last draft who is very raw, shouldn't untouchable for a player like Ross. I actually like the Barton idea, we could really use him, unfortunately this year is spent. It doesn't seem like our front office would give up Ross on a reasonable contract for an expiring, and an even bigger question mark in Bol. Maybe I am just too low on Bol. I do like the idea of him. Actually I would probably do that trade too, but would just prefer something built around Hampton, maybe even a little bigger with Aminu (or Ennis) and Harris.

Hmmmmmm..... I can deal with this! Not sure bout them. but that gets them a fire cracker bench player and a backup big.... for a struggling player and 2 unproven players that have potential but haven't shown enough or have been part of the rotation.

Gary Harris definitely needs a change in scenary... could be revitalized here. otherwise... next year expiring player.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

[drsd]

is trading Fournier & AG really blowing it up or just ridding of players that don't fit the so called "Path". I don't think any magic fan wants to really blow it all up down to the roots but a re tool is 4 years needed.

The , "What do you want"? and the "What do you expect"? actually align for me.

I do think the future of this team revolves around Fultz, Isaac, and Vučević. For me there is a contender to be built. Add to that the near certainty of bringing back all of: Anthony, Okeke, Ross, and Bamba as bench players, for this team to take a (injury-free) step up from mediocrity, the high draft pick and the near Max contract that will soon be affordable will provide interesting opportunities for Orlando on the wing.

There are a lot of IFs, but I do not think this team is that far from a potential 50-win roster.


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[MartinsIzAfraud]

is trading Fournier & AG really blowing it up or just ridding of players that don't fit the so called "Path". I don't think any magic fan wants to really blow it all up down to the roots but a re tool is 4 years needed.

The , "What do you want"? and the "What do you expect"? actually align for me.

I do think the future of this team revolves around Fultz, Isaac, and Vučević. For me there is a contender to be built. Add to that the near certainty of bringing back all of: Anthony, Okeke, Ross, and Bamba as bench players, for this team to take a (injury-free) step up from mediocrity, the high draft pick and the near Max contract that will soon be affordable will provide interesting opportunities for Orlando on the wing.

There are a lot of IFs, but I do not think this team is that far from a potential 50-win roster.


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it's what this FO is going to hitch it's wagon to. For us to be anywhere near 50 wins Isaac and Fultz are going to have to take BIG steps offensively.

Where's this near Max contract coming from??

[VFX]

is trading Fournier & AG really blowing it up or just ridding of players that don't fit the so called "Path". I don't think any magic fan wants to really blow it all up down to the roots but a re tool is 4 years needed.

The , "What do you want"? and the "What do you expect"? actually align for me.

I do think the future of this team revolves around Fultz, Isaac, and Vučević. For me there is a contender to be built. Add to that the near certainty of bringing back all of: Anthony, Okeke, Ross, and Bamba as bench players, for this team to take a (injury-free) step up from mediocrity, the high draft pick and the near Max contract that will soon be affordable will provide interesting opportunities for Orlando on the wing.

There are a lot of IFs, but I do not think this team is that far from a potential 50-win roster.


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What gives you the impression that is a viable core to build around? Vuc is 30 and has two years left, Fultz/ Isaac are coming off ACL surgery’s and still haven’t established themselves as primary or even secondary options offensively. You might even claim that a top 5 pick is also contributing greatly to this (if they even land it in the lottery). However, in your scenario Orlando would be nowhere near lottery bound IF the roster was healthy.

So your ideal scenario is building around 3 players, two with major question marks, and a guy that has 1 more 4 year contract left of prime. Orlando isn’t signing anyone worthwhile with that max contract space unless it’s a massive overpay. The rookie likely won’t be posting better numbers than Fournier in his rookie season, maybe mid year 2 or 3.

If you aren’t competing for championships with Vuc as one of your only sources of reliable offense and highest paid player at 31, then why make decisions to “revolve around him” knowing 21-24 yr olds will need to replace his production eventually?

The timeline really makes no sense if anyone is being realistic about the ceiling and outcome of this roster in its current form.

[Blue_and_Whte]

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Nice to see written what is clear to hard-core Magic fans.

One thing to remind ourselves; if Fourier is let to expire he can be resigned as a FA. If he is traded, hen his contract expires, he cannot return to Orlando next season.

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Well it would be the logical thing to Do.

[Bensational]

SAS: Gordon + Fournier
BOS: Aldridge
ORL: Vassell + Nesmith

Vuc/Bamba
Chuma
Vassell
Nesmith
Anthony

Good way to save some cap space, add some youth and finish the season getting ready for next year.

Spurs might want something else like a lottery protected future 1st, and Cs might want to send Thompson out for Aldridge.

[The Effect]

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[drsd]

Where's this near Max contract coming from??

If Gordon is traded for an expiring, then Orlando has:
Aaron Gordon $18,136,364 (actually whatever the player obtained it at)
Evan Fournier $17,150,000
James Ennis $3,300,000
Khem Birch $3,000,000
Gary Clark $2,000,000 (unclear exactly what the cap hit is in the QO that is in his contract)
Dwayne Bacon $1,678,854 (unclear exactly what the cap hit is in the QO that is in his contract)

This totals USD$45,265,218. The actual available funds are not going to be up to that level, but trading Aminu for "nothing" will add to the above to make a max-level, if that is a benefit to this team.

In reality Orlando looks to have about 25M for FAs, as the team is not going over the lux-tax line with a mediocre roster. But, a max-deal might be mathematically possible.

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[Skybox]

Where's this near Max contract coming from??

If Gordon is traded for an expiring, then Orlando has:
Aaron Gordon $18,136,364 (actually whatever the player obtained it at)
Evan Fournier $17,150,000
James Ennis $3,300,000
Khem Birch $3,000,000
Gary Clark $2,000,000 (unclear exactly what the cap hit is in the QO that is in his contract)
Dwayne Bacon $1,678,854 (unclear exactly what the cap hit is in the QO that is in his contract)

This totals USD$45,265,218. The actual available funds are not going to be up to that level, but trading Aminu for "nothing" will add to the above to make a max-level, if that is a benefit to this team.

In reality Orlando looks to have about 25M for FAs, as the team is not going over the lux-tax line with a mediocre roster. But, a max-deal might be mathematically possible.

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who would you realistically pursue?...not a bad supporting cast with Vuc, Fultz, Isaac, Ross, Okeke, Bamba, MCW, Cole, HIGH pick remaining

[jonbob17]

Where's this near Max contract coming from??

If Gordon is traded for an expiring, then Orlando has:
Aaron Gordon $18,136,364 (actually whatever the player obtained it at)
Evan Fournier $17,150,000
James Ennis $3,300,000
Khem Birch $3,000,000
Gary Clark $2,000,000 (unclear exactly what the cap hit is in the QO that is in his contract)
Dwayne Bacon $1,678,854 (unclear exactly what the cap hit is in the QO that is in his contract)

This totals USD$45,265,218. The actual available funds are not going to be up to that level, but trading Aminu for "nothing" will add to the above to make a max-level, if that is a benefit to this team.

In reality Orlando looks to have about 25M for FAs, as the team is not going over the lux-tax line with a mediocre roster. But, a max-deal might be mathematically possible.

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Looking at next year's payroll and next year's luxury cap, moving AG for an expiring would leave us approximately $32M for three spots, assuming we land a draft pick around #3 and $8M salary. So if we signed 2 minimums we would have $28M for one spot.

Move Aminu, and add another minimum, we would have about $36M available.

If we keep AG, and let the 3 above expire, we would have about $12M after draft pick and one minimum.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Where's this near Max contract coming from??

If Gordon is traded for an expiring, then Orlando has:
Aaron Gordon $18,136,364 (actually whatever the player obtained it at)
Evan Fournier $17,150,000
James Ennis $3,300,000
Khem Birch $3,000,000
Gary Clark $2,000,000 (unclear exactly what the cap hit is in the QO that is in his contract)
Dwayne Bacon $1,678,854 (unclear exactly what the cap hit is in the QO that is in his contract)

This totals USD$45,265,218. The actual available funds are not going to be up to that level, but trading Aminu for "nothing" will add to the above to make a max-level, if that is a benefit to this team.

In reality Orlando looks to have about 25M for FAs, as the team is not going over the lux-tax line with a mediocre roster. But, a max-deal might be mathematically possible.

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So some unrealistic stuff has to happen for us to get it and even then I’m pretty sure Isaac & Fultz extensions eat up most of that $. On top of that having Cap $ is great when you’ve got good pieces. Magic have IR dudes and a bunch of meh returning. No one of good talent would entertain Orlando.

If this FO moves AG for an expiring and pick then they might as well move the Magic. Would be along the lines of signing Aminu to a FA deal when we needed scoring and guard depth.

[MoMM]

Which MAX FAs will be available next year?