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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#741 » by Skybox » Tue Dec 29, 2020 12:18 am

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MagicFan101 wrote:Who leads the Magic in assists per game during this short 3-0 season?


Cole Anthony leads the team with 14 assists. He's also played 55 minutes compared to 89 for Fultz who has 13 assists.

To be fair, Anthony has absolutely benefited from the tremendously hot start by Terrence Ross as 8 of his 14 assists have come on Ross jumpers.


and vice-versa for Ross having such strong PG play from Anthony and Fultz. Everybody looks better when your primary ballhandler isn't pounding the ball on the perimeter waiting for the D to get set.
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Post#742 » by KillMonger » Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:35 am

i like what i'm seeing from cole, he's been a consistent contributor so far and all this experience is going to doing but help him....he gets lost sometimes on defense also sometimes caught ball watching but the effort is there.....i like the play he made on ish smith, he made ish fumble the ball due to pressure and he dove on the floor to get the ball back.....can't complain about the shots, they will fall and with t-ross on the team? i can't complain about shot selection either....i'm surprised that the rebounding is translating, he goes after that ball and he almost had a couple putbacks so far....
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#743 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 3:56 am

I won't play the 'I told you so' game, it's kinda annoying, But guys... Cole Anthony is F-O-R R-E-A-L !!!

We got ourselves a very potent dynamic guard with a bright future. I think it's safe to congratulate the FO for the pick (and I am not a WeHam supporter at all).

We were only a handful of guys hoping for Cole Anthony to be available when half of the posters here doubted him big time, and about 25-30% of the regular posters straight forward hated on the guy without valid reasoning behind it. Later on draft night they were all doom & gloom in regards to the 2020 Draft and our 15th pick.

As I have already pointed out, Cole A. might end up being the best player from the last draft, but he's definitely going to end up the best value pick considering how late he was drafted and based on his net positive impact on the Magic.

Cole already proved many of his doubters and the haters wrong:
:crazy: He's not so turnover-prone - actually takes good care of the ball.
:crazy: He's not primarily looking for his shot - without being passive by any means on offense.
:crazy: He is not going after empty stats.
:crazy: Cole is not a shoot-first guard only - he brings a lot to the table.
:crazy: His high motor was not overstated - we saw him play in 7 games including the pre-season and he is relentless.
:crazy: He's not a liability on defense - actually, I'm pretty impressed, he's shown he is capable of disrupting the opposing guards, misses some assignments but that will be fixed by itself when he gets a few games under his belt, not worried at all. Also, he was robbed by a few steals already by the stats guys, remember the play in the later 3rd when he jumped on the floor and was able to snatch the ball away with his pure hustle - well, 0 steals in the boxscore.
:crazy: Cole manages to keep all his teammates in the 2nd unit engaged - Ross is thriving because we see a lot less triple-teaming against him, defenses respect Cole's shot and they absolutely should, logically Ross' 3pt% went straight up and Cole is piling up assists.
:crazy: Cole is not a senseless chucker and does not take bad shots - all of his offense is in rhythm and I haven't seen him taking shots he couldn't make on a regular basis. If we exclude some late shotclock shots situations from deep 3, his FG% is not bad at all.
:crazy: He might be undersized - he might not. He shows tremendous toughness early in his rookie career and so far I haven't seen any troublesome signs regarding his height or weight, or size in general. Cole holds his ground both on O & D.
:crazy: He is coachable and willing to listen and develop his game every single day - he was already praised by the veterans and coaching staff. And we know coach Cliff does not throw empty compliments around, he doesn't like to waste his words, especially when he praises someone for the job well done.
:crazy: Cole has a positive impact from the moment he steps in on the floor, which cannot be said for all of our recent draft picks.
:crazy: He is a good and capable playmaker - currently leads the team in assists as a rookie with 3 games of experience, no offseason to prepare mentally and physically, no summer league or training camp.
:crazy: He looks like a natural leader. He is vocal and active in all aspects of the game, both on and off the court. He will become one of our team leaders as soon as he earns the respect of the veterans, perhaps after his rookie season.
:crazy: Cole absolutely CAN be a part of a winning culture and successful team, despite his atrocious college team - look at our record so far in the early season, the standings are not so bad.
:crazy: :banghead: :crazy: And perhaps the most important argument - Cole's playing style fits perfectly on our team and he looks like the huge missing piece of the puzzle we were finally able to fit in the right place at the right time considering our stage of development.

And yes, he looks more than ready for the challenge in the NBA - has a solid NBA background as I said before. Guy has a big heart and is super motivated to succeed. Something we cannot say for Bamba or Mario or ...

All of the arguments listed above were questioned here in this thread during the Draft, after the Draft and up to this day. I think most of them need to be put to rest.

Cole Da Predator is a baller and I truly believe he might end up as the best draft pick in 2020 considering we used the 15th on him.

Now, just think about that - I know it is still early...small sample size...not enough data, blah, blah, blah...
But still, take a look at the other rookies! Who would you rather have after we've seen their skills and performance so far?

:nonono: Edwards does not look like anything special yet. He's lacking polish and some basic basketball skills, he's a project and the guy will need a lot of work to live up to the top pick expectations. Good/excellent athlete that might have made a mistake when choosing his professional sport.
:roll: Okoro hasn't shown anything yet.
:nonono: Lamelo Ball has skills but no reliable shot. Good playmaker, resourceful and inventive with the ball but looks too much like Lonzo, no positive impact yet.
:nod: We already saw Deni Avdija, I like the boy, he has NBA future but is too green and far away from a solid contributor.
:-? Vassell looked good in the preseason, not so much in real games. The jury is still out on him.
:roll: Kira Lewis seems to be injured.
:noway: Kilian Hayes is nowhere special, at least yet. Not impressed by him so far, he was advertised as a pure playmaker that can handle both guard slots.
:nod: Wiseman is good, but we were in the market for a guard and not a C.
:D Tyrese Haliburton looks solid, but I still prefer Cole as I believe he has a way higher ceiling.
:nonono: Who else??? Aaron Nesmith does not seem ready yet, Aleksej Pokuševski is not a contributor yet.
:banghead: Want more examples??? Hmm, let's see - Desmond Bane used to have a lot of crying supporters around here before the draft, not so many left after. No surprise he was picked so late, most NBA GMs are not total morons.

They are not so impressive so far, huh? And there was a lot of high lottery picks used on them.

I think we did more than fine in this draft and got the steal in the draft for a change after the not so good previous picks we made (Bamba, Hezonja, Iwundu, Fraizer, trading Sabonis on draft night, trading for Payton, etc.).

Jeff Weltman, asked about his 2020 draft pick ColePredator:
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It's good to see tables are turning and Cole starts to get some love and recognition from the Magic fanbase. :D
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#744 » by The Effect » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:34 am

MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:I
We were only a handful of guys hoping for Cola Anthony to be available while half of the posters here doubted him big time, and about 25-30% of the regular poster straight forward hated on him and were all doom & gloom in regards to the 2020 draft night and 15th pick.

Great post, but really wanted to point out this part

It was so sad seeing all the hating that this kid got pre draft, on draft night, and during the pre-season.
By all accounts, if he was able to jump to the NBA out of HS, we were talking about a potential top 3 pick, he was that hyped at this time last year. Hell if he would of pulled what Wiseman did, played 2-3 games and then sit out to prepare for the draft, we might of been talking about the #1 overall pick, but he had a bad situation in college where he was playing hurt and was surrounded by a bunch of future g-leaguers (at best) and had to press to help his team, and now all of a sudden everyone forgot about everything the kid did well and bashed him as some kind of scrub who is only in the NBA because of his dad.
People completely forgot he was the #1 player in all of HS, forgot that he won the MVP of EVERY all-star game and basketball camp he attended in HS. Ignored all the work he puts in every day to be great (watch his workouts and you can tell he isnt one of those that get by strictly on god given ability), ignored his leadership, ignored his drive...........hope all they saw was the poor shooting % and completely wrote him off

And even after looking great in the preseason, many on here still call him a career backup, and continue to bash him

I cant wait to see how long most of those haters will continue to bash him and how he will keep proving them wrong
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#745 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:35 am

Ooooh, forgot to mention:

COLE IS JUST BEGINNING AND WILL TURN MANY HEADS IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS...JUST SCRATCHING THE SURFACE OF HIS BBALL SKILLS.

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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#746 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:43 am

The Effect wrote:
MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:I
We were only a handful of guys hoping for Cola Anthony to be available while half of the posters here doubted him big time, and about 25-30% of the regular poster straight forward hated on him and were all doom & gloom in regards to the 2020 draft night and 15th pick.

Great post, but really wanted to point out this part

It was so sad seeing all the hating that this kid got pre draft, on draft night, and during the pre-season.
By all accounts, if he was able to jump to the NBA out of HS, we were talking about a potential top 3 pick, he was that hyped at this time last year. Hell if he would of pulled what Wiseman did, played 2-3 games and then sit out to prepare for the draft, we might of been talking about the #1 overall pick, but he had a bad situation in college where he was playing hurt and was surrounded by a bunch of future g-leaguers (at best) and had to press to help his team, and now all of a sudden everyone forgot about everything the kid did well and bashed him as some kind of scrub who is only in the NBA because of his dad.
People completely forgot he was the #1 player in all of HS, forgot that he won the MVP of EVERY all-star game and basketball camp he attended in HS. Ignored all the work he puts in every day to be great (watch his workouts and you can tell he isnt one of those that get by strictly on god given ability), ignored his leadership, ignored his drive...........hope all they saw was the poor shooting % and completely wrote him off

And even after looking great in the preseason, many on here still call him a career backup, and continue to bash him

I cant wait to see how long most of those haters will continue to bash him and how he will keep proving them wrong


You are exactly right, buddy. He was so highly regarded coming out of High school. He was thought of as the second coming of Dame Lilard or just the next top point guard in the pro game.

I live in Eastern Europe. There is a 7-hour time difference with the US East Coast and a 10-hour time gap with the West Coast. I don't get the same media exposure as you do guys, in terms of US high school sports or College Basketball coverage. None at all. And usually, I don't hear or know anything about those prospects late until the draft day nears.

However, Cole Anthony was so hyped and he was expected to be the next super talent (and he is), expectations were through the roof with him.

Now, consider this: even in my neck of the woods we heard about Cole and I remember seeing him on ESPN with his dad presenting his choice of college LIVE on the air in prime time. Not even LeBrick James was honored by the punk media in that way at his age.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#747 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:46 am

Just to remind some people:
Cole averaged a freakin' tripple-double for the season in high school from the PG spot.

Not many people can brag about such a tremendous achievement, not even close.
Now we see his relentless rebounding and willingness to find the best pass or assist.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#748 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:03 am

I just wish most of the Orlando fans find the cojones to change their minds and not be too grumpy and stubborn about it...(I know, I know, I know! It ain't happening for all the lost souls. Maybe for some, but not all of them, my bad!) :P :oops: :evil: :lol:

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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#749 » by The Effect » Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:10 am

MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:Just to remind some people:
Cole averaged tripple-double for the season in high school from the PG spot.

Not many people can brag about such a tremendous achievement, not even close.
Now we see his relentless rebounding and willingness to find the best pass or assist.

At one of the best HS programs in the country
Very surprised he's the first player to do tht at oak hill academy
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#750 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:19 am

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MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:Just to remind some people:
Cole averaged tripple-double for the season in high school from the PG spot.

Not many people can brag about such a tremendous achievement, not even close.
Now we see his relentless rebounding and willingness to find the best pass or assist.

At one of the best HS programs in the country
Very surprised he's the first player to do tht at oak hill academy

As far as I know, Oak Hill's program is no joke. In order for him to thrive with them at such an early age and dominate the game in such a way, he just can't be a bust.

Pheeew, I might begin to understand why he's so hated nowadays.

Here's an analogy:
I remember when we drafted JJ Redick some millennia ago :lol: 8-) , some people were actually seriously concerned whether he will bring some outside hate from other fanbases with him in Orlando. There were some serious concerns expressed here and a lot of debates.

To be honest, JJ was perceived as the true ANTICHRIST in the eyes of many many fans during his stellar college career as Duke's Blue Devil. Nothing like that happened in the NBA though. He is highly regarded now and everybody loves him and appreciates his pro career.

I just wonder what the Cole "effect" is going to be when someday in the foreseeable future the guy starts dominating, keeping in mind the level of hate he provokes without even a reason from the supporters of his own NBA franchise.

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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#751 » by Knightro » Tue Dec 29, 2020 6:49 am

I’ve been pleased with what we’ve seen with Cole Anthony thus far, but some of y’all may want to be careful about taking victory laps after three games when the guy has a .488 TS% and is racking up assists thanks to playing all of his minutes with the hottest bench player in the league thus far.
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Post#752 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:13 am

Sure, Cole's season will have its ups and downs. He's a rookie after all and please don't forget he's playing for one of the most unstable teams in the East. The Magic has a long track record of meltdowns and inexplicable degradation in terms of their team play and form.

At the same time, there's nothing wrong for Cole's fans to vent out and say they're happy with his performance. So far, so good.

As for TRoss, yes, he is hot right now and is playing out of his mind. But I tend to believe there is a reason for everything, especially when it comes to sports. I believe Cole plays a significant role in Ross' explosion and there is data backing this.

Every single part of the starters squad or the 2nd unit is interconnected and dependent on the other segments. Wonder why DJ didn't excel at feeding Ross and having a bunch of easy assists. He wasn't inexperienced or too young, he has all the tools on paper, but Cole is the one who is doing it in the right way.

Sometimes the talent speaks for itself and Cole is thriving. We have the right to be happy about it and the right to feel free to express it as we find appropriate.
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Post#754 » by pepe1991 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 7:51 am

MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:Sure, Cole's season will have its ups and downs. He's a rookie after all and please don't forget he's playing for one of the most unstable teams in the East. The Magic has a long track record of meltdowns and inexplicable degradation in terms of their team play and form.

At the same time, there's nothing wrong for Cole's fans to vent out and say they're happy with his performance. So far, so good.

As for TRoss, yes, he is hot right now and is playing out of his mind. But I tend to believe there is a reason for everything, especially when it comes to sports. I believe Cole plays a significant role in Ross' explosion and there is data backing this.

Every single part of the starters squad or the 2nd unit is interconnected and dependent on the other segments. Wonder why DJ didn't excel at feeding Ross and having a bunch of easy assists. He wasn't inexperienced or too young, he has all the tools on paper, but Cole is the one who is doing it in the right way.

Sometimes the talent speaks for itself and Cole is thriving. We have the right to be happy about it and the right to feel free to express it as we find appropriate.
Knightro wrote:I’ve been pleased with what we’ve seen with Cole Anthony thus far, but some of y’all may want to be careful about taking victory laps after three games when the guy has a .488 TS% and is racking up assists thanks to playing all of his minutes with the hottest bench player in the league thus far.


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Wonder why DJ didn't excel at feeding Ross and having a bunch of easy assists. He wasn't inexperienced or too young, he has all the tools on paper, but Cole is the one who is doing it in the right way.


:lol:

Yea, because Ross never had hot streaks before and this is first time in his career that he did something like this.
Oh, wait, he did it, in 2020.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#755 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:06 am

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MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:Sure, Cole's season will have its ups and downs. He's a rookie after all and please don't forget he's playing for one of the most unstable teams in the East. The Magic has a long track record of meltdowns and inexplicable degradation in terms of their team play and form.

At the same time, there's nothing wrong for Cole's fans to vent out and say they're happy with his performance. So far, so good.

As for TRoss, yes, he is hot right now and is playing out of his mind. But I tend to believe there is a reason for everything, especially when it comes to sports. I believe Cole plays a significant role in Ross' explosion and there is data backing this.

Every single part of the starters squad or the 2nd unit is interconnected and dependent on the other segments. Wonder why DJ didn't excel at feeding Ross and having a bunch of easy assists. He wasn't inexperienced or too young, he has all the tools on paper, but Cole is the one who is doing it in the right way.

Sometimes the talent speaks for itself and Cole is thriving. We have the right to be happy about it and the right to feel free to express it as we find appropriate.
Knightro wrote:I’ve been pleased with what we’ve seen with Cole Anthony thus far, but some of y’all may want to be careful about taking victory laps after three games when the guy has a .488 TS% and is racking up assists thanks to playing all of his minutes with the hottest bench player in the league thus far.


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Wonder why DJ didn't excel at feeding Ross and having a bunch of easy assists. He wasn't inexperienced or too young, he has all the tools on paper, but Cole is the one who is doing it in the right way.


:lol:

Yea, because Ross never had hot streaks before and this is first time in his career that he did something like this.
Oh, wait, he did it, in 2020.
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get off your high horse after 3 games man. 144 min of basketball was played. 3321 yet to be played.

Exactly, you're proving my point without even knowing it.

DJ was never the reason why Ross got hot, most of his shots were iso plays against 2 or 3 defenders with the shotclock expiring, throwing prayers on a regular basis.

That's the main difference with the current situation.
Now we see what happens to an X-Factor type of a player when he has a capable ballhandler besides him; when he is properly set up with the right pass at the right moment and at the right spot. Cole is assisting Ross and the percentages are going steadily up & up & up. And they barely know each other for what? 1 month, two months.

Cole is a rookie and already has the most assists playing with the bench and not exceeding 20 minutes. Why deny all that?

Ross has had scoring explosions before, but not such as these last few games where he is undeniably playing under control and the PG clearly helps him and has his back.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#756 » by pepe1991 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:23 am

MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:Sure, Cole's season will have its ups and downs. He's a rookie after all and please don't forget he's playing for one of the most unstable teams in the East. The Magic has a long track record of meltdowns and inexplicable degradation in terms of their team play and form.

At the same time, there's nothing wrong for Cole's fans to vent out and say they're happy with his performance. So far, so good.

As for TRoss, yes, he is hot right now and is playing out of his mind. But I tend to believe there is a reason for everything, especially when it comes to sports. I believe Cole plays a significant role in Ross' explosion and there is data backing this.

Every single part of the starters squad or the 2nd unit is interconnected and dependent on the other segments. Wonder why DJ didn't excel at feeding Ross and having a bunch of easy assists. He wasn't inexperienced or too young, he has all the tools on paper, but Cole is the one who is doing it in the right way.

Sometimes the talent speaks for itself and Cole is thriving. We have the right to be happy about it and the right to feel free to express it as we find appropriate.

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Wonder why DJ didn't excel at feeding Ross and having a bunch of easy assists. He wasn't inexperienced or too young, he has all the tools on paper, but Cole is the one who is doing it in the right way.


:lol:

Yea, because Ross never had hot streaks before and this is first time in his career that he did something like this.
Oh, wait, he did it, in 2020.
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get off your high horse after 3 games man. 144 min of basketball was played. 3321 yet to be played.

Exactly, you're proving my point without even knowing it.

DJ was never the reason why Ross got hot, most of his shots were iso plays against 2 or defenders.
Now we see the difference when we have a capable ballhandler, he is assisting Ross and the percentages are going steadily up & up & up.

Ross has had scoring explosions before, but not such as these last few games where he is undeniably playing under control and the PG clearly helps him and has his back.


Nah, you just use his hot streak to make overarching point about Cole, because that's only way how you can paint him as "amazing" or whatever agenda, opinon you have. In reality, Ross is very good, but very streaky shooter, and one who in playoffs gets cut off because for once, teams actually trap him before he gets to his sweet spots. ( Raptors took him out of playoff series by implaying single man half court press with corner switches for example ).

But Ross being hot or ice cold has nothing to do with Anthony. it's what he is. Ross is guy who once scored 51 points in single game, and didn't need rookie PG for it.

DJ was never the reason why Ross got hot, most of his shots were iso plays against 2 or defenders.

This is ridicilous claim. 371 off 846 shots he took last year was taken with zero dribbles
57 shots with ONE dribble.

So it's pretty obvious your claim has no ground in reality. Sorry.

I wrote, than delited paragraphs about Cole, because i'm tired of having to deal " he is just a rookie " comments . But nothing that was said about Cole before draft and after a draft has been debunked. Pretty much everything just been confirmed.

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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#757 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:33 am

Hahahahahaaaaa, "no ground in reality"???

What about the other 500 out of 800+ shots that he dribbled and danced around in order to get his crazy shots off, just because no reliable passer was around?

Pepe, why don't you try to stop cherry-picking everything that fits your narrative from statistics and try to trust your eyes or feel for the game, just a bit more. The whole story is NOT told by the stats line exclusively, you especially tend to trust it too much.

If you have played organized basketball professionally at any level, which I highly doubt, you would have been able to understand.
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#758 » by pepe1991 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:45 am

MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:Hahahahahaaaaa, "no ground in reality"???

What about the other 500 out of 800+ shots that he dribbled and danced around in order to get his crazy shots off because no reliable passer was around?

Pepe, why don't you try to stop cherry-picking everything that fits your narrative from statistics and try to trust your eyes or feel for the game. The whole story is NOT told by the stats line exclusively, you especially tend to trust it too much.

If you have played organized basketball professionally at any level, which I highly doubt, you would be able to understand.
Otherwise....sorry!


For start, you failed at first grade math, if over 420 shots he took were with 0 -1 dribble, it makes 50% of all his shots takend with 0-1 dribble, witch means he never had chance to take "500 out of 800 + shots" because he only took 846, and 420 were - with, at most single dribble :lol:

Second, every time i hear somebody calling out for eye test, it simply means he lacks any tengable proof to confirm his claims.

You claimed that Ross "had to face two defenders in iso situations" so i went back to check, how many iso plays, Terrence Ross, over span of one year actually had, that ended with him shooting.
And... wait for it....

waaaiiiiit for it.

21 total.

So iso SHOT ATTEMPS made grand total of epic 2,48% of ALL SHOTS HE TOOK.


As i've said, your claim, has no ground in reality, matter of fact it just proves that "eye test " is as usless as submarine with screen doors.

I just can't help myself but laugh about last paragraph. Sorry that i failed to recognize you, pro athlete that spends time on internet forum, where are you signed nowdays ? Lakers?
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#759 » by MaKiaVeLi7 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:52 am

pepe1991 wrote:
MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:Hahahahahaaaaa, "no ground in reality"???

What about the other 500 out of 800+ shots that he dribbled and danced around in order to get his crazy shots off because no reliable passer was around?

Pepe, why don't you try to stop cherry-picking everything that fits your narrative from statistics and try to trust your eyes or feel for the game. The whole story is NOT told by the stats line exclusively, you especially tend to trust it too much.

If you have played organized basketball professionally at any level, which I highly doubt, you would be able to understand.
Otherwise....sorry!


For start, you failed at first grade math, if over 420 shots he took were with 0 -1 dribble, it makes 50% of all his shots takend with 0-1 dribble, witch means he never had chance to take "500 out of 800 + shots" because he only took 846, and 420 were - with, at most single dribble :lol:

Second, every time i hear somebody calling out for eye test, it simply means he lacks any tengable proof to confirm his claims.

You claimed that Ross "had to face two defenders in iso situations" so i went back to check, how many iso plays, Terrence Ross, over span of one year actually had, that ended with him shooting.
And... wait for it....

waaaiiiiit for it.

21 total.

So iso SHOT ATTEMPS made grand total of epic 2,48% of ALL SHOTS HE TOOK.


As i've said, your claim, has no ground in reality, matter of fact it just proves that "eye test " is as usless as submarine with screen doors.

I think no one can help you, Pepe. You are in love with interpreting empty and misleading (sometimes useless) statistics and use them as a tool to convince and talk other people into believing something wrong.

You were the "jumping to conclusions" unhappy person who 'preached' that Cole would be a bust ... and the next failed Magic pick ... and an "ineffective chucker" ... and "bad playmaker" ... and "turnover machine" ... and so on and on, and all this without even seeing him in a Magic uni.

I thought we were trying to have a reasonable discussion, "jumping to conclusions". Come on man, really? YOU are telling me this??? hahahahaaaaa :lol: :banghead: :lol: :banghead:
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Re: Cole World: Orlando Magic Select Cole Anthony at #15 

Post#760 » by pepe1991 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 8:58 am

MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
MaKiaVeLi7 wrote:Hahahahahaaaaa, "no ground in reality"???

What about the other 500 out of 800+ shots that he dribbled and danced around in order to get his crazy shots off because no reliable passer was around?

Pepe, why don't you try to stop cherry-picking everything that fits your narrative from statistics and try to trust your eyes or feel for the game. The whole story is NOT told by the stats line exclusively, you especially tend to trust it too much.

If you have played organized basketball professionally at any level, which I highly doubt, you would be able to understand.
Otherwise....sorry!


For start, you failed at first grade math, if over 420 shots he took were with 0 -1 dribble, it makes 50% of all his shots takend with 0-1 dribble, witch means he never had chance to take "500 out of 800 + shots" because he only took 846, and 420 were - with, at most single dribble :lol:

Second, every time i hear somebody calling out for eye test, it simply means he lacks any tengable proof to confirm his claims.

You claimed that Ross "had to face two defenders in iso situations" so i went back to check, how many iso plays, Terrence Ross, over span of one year actually had, that ended with him shooting.
And... wait for it....

waaaiiiiit for it.

21 total.

So iso SHOT ATTEMPS made grand total of epic 2,48% of ALL SHOTS HE TOOK.


As i've said, your claim, has no ground in reality, matter of fact it just proves that "eye test " is as usless as submarine with screen doors.

I think no one can help you, Pepe. You are in love with interpreting empty and misleading (sometimes useless) statistics and use them as a tool to convince and talk people into believing something wrong.

You were the "jumping to conclusions" unhappy person who 'preached' that Cole would be a bust ... and the next failed Magic pick ... and an "ineffective chucker" ... and "bad playmaker" ... and "turnover machine" ... and so on and on.


Comming off person who made full real gm page based on 3 games sample size, gizzing over rookie, it's actually compliment :roll:

I'm not "in love " with stats, people like you simply can't understand what statistic for basketball even means. It literally just measuring things in numberic system that occured on the floor.
Every single nba team is having deep analytic department- because it's important and because- it works.

I'm very far from unhappy person, but you don't know anything about me, and you can't prove anything you post, so you have to go into this personal jabs at me to prove anything i wrote - wrong. Witch, actually tells me a lot about you.

But even by reading your comments- 30 something years old, eastern europe, guy, living with his parents, used to think you are cool because you had 2pac shirt in 2000 when everybody was into 50 cent ,you were "edgy " kid.

Sorry, there is no reasonable discussion with somebody who uses 3 games sample size and uses other player as crutch to make point about other, drawing conclusions, that he made up, on ANOTHER player from year prior to make comparison. It's too ridicilous to be taken as anything but bad joke.

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